Shradow Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I did once. It was painful. But yeah, I knew that could break shields, but it's kinda like Marth's shieldbreaker. You know it's a thing, but you never pay attention to it until it gets you. Then u dead. I'd rather have my shield broken by Marth than Bowser. Bowser's fsmash 2spooky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makο Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I'd rather have my shield broken by Marth than Bowser. Bowser's fsmash 2spooky. I dunno man. You kinda expect to get shield-broke by some giant fire-breathing reptile thing. But when this girly-ass man pokes you with his stick and you shatter into a thousand pieces, it's a shame you just can't recover from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Shame or not, any follow up Marth can give is not as strong as the most powerful fsmash in the game in terms of knockback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Shame or not, any follow up Marth can give is not as strong as the most powerful fsmash in the game in terms of knockback. Do you realize Marth's fsmash can kill at extremely low percents? XP With rage, I think it can kill at like 35-40%% at the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Do you realize Marth's fsmash can kill at extremely low percents? XPIt actually just kills at 0. I think its the only one that can. Also, might just be me, but it feels like a lot of FS's suck. Like, most aren't just kill everything moves, but that makes the few that are that much stupider when you play with them on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I think that's just more a result of most if not all moves not killing as easily. The only character that can kill with a crap ton of his moves at really low percent is Lucario with 150%+ on himself. Otherwise, you'll be lucky to hit for a kill before 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I think that's just more a result of most if not all moves not killing as easily. The only character that can kill with a crap ton of his moves at really low percent is Lucario with 150%+ on himself. Otherwise, you'll be lucky to hit for a kill before 100% That's why Marth's tipper is so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 That's why Marth's tipper is so good. Except for lag. Lag is bad. Also I'm bad at spacing. Which is awkward because I main Melee & Project M Marth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I think that's just more a result of most if not all moves not killing as easily. The only character that can kill with a crap ton of his moves at really low percent is Lucario with 150%+ on himself. Otherwise, you'll be lucky to hit for a kill before 100%No, I'm talking how large of an effect they have. Ganon, Ness, Mario, Samus, etc all have FS that are always live and can get multiple kills. Gren, Ike, Marth, Dedede, Weegee, etc all have a limited range in what they hit and are more so limited towards getting 1 kill. Most fall into this group. Some like Jigs, Pika, and Peach just have a REALLY bad FS.As for killing, I think the normal kill percentage is like 60%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 As for killing, I think the normal kill percentage is like 60%. That is way too low. If you watch any competitive smash 4 games, killing at 60% is a goddam miracle. You have to be at 80% AT LEAST to even be worried of getting knocked out easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 That is way too low. If you watch any competitive smash 4 games, killing at 60% is a goddam miracle. You have to be at 80% AT LEAST to even be worried of getting knocked out easy.I see what happened. In my very sleepy state I read fsmash and though final smash. My posts are me talking about that. I feel a little dumb and clearly need to get to bed.But yea, kill percentage I feel average out around 120%, slightly higher than in other smash games from my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makο Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Speaking of sweet spots, I was fighting a Charizard earlier, and he managed to nail me with the sweet spot on his Nair, and... wow. I think it ko'd me at like 50~ percent. It's crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaMuddy Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Speaking of sweet spots, I was fighting a Charizard earlier, and he managed to nail me with the sweet spot on his Nair, and... wow. I think it ko'd me at like 50~ percent. It's crazy. One sweet spot I find easy to hit is Captain Falcon's dair. It, like a lot of other spikes, is easier to hit than other sweet spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Speaking of sweet spots, I was fighting a Charizard earlier, and he managed to nail me with the sweet spot on his Nair, and... wow. I think it ko'd me at like 50~ percent. It's crazy. Bish I was using Jiggs, and a Bowser KOd me at 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Bish I was using Jiggs, and a Bowser KOd me at 40.See, your first problem was using Jiggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 With rage, I think it can kill at like 35-40%% at the edge. Rage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makο Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Rage? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZPxLLaL4N8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 See, your first problem was using Jiggs. Jiggs is amazin Just......against power characters, she needs to be careful VERY careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Rage? <video> Rage + Lucario And here is a Lucario fsmash killing at 37% because fuck of course it does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKuEDCzjr7A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Rage + Lucario And here is a Lucario fsmash killing at 37% because fuck of course it does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKuEDCzjr7A Yeah, Lucario is a silly fellow. That's why he's top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Bish I was using Jiggs, and a Bowser KOd me at 40. Like I said, Bowser fmash 2spooky. I know his and Dedede's have the most knockback out of all fmashes. I can't do it until Monday, but I'm going to run some tests to see when Bowser can KO characters, as well as testing the Rage variable since I didn't know that was a thing until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myst Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 One sweet spot I find easy to hit is Captain Falcon's dair. It, like a lot of other spikes, is easier to hit than other sweet spots. Meanwhile, it's hard for me to spike others with CF's dair. I need some tips xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Meanwhile, it's hard for me to spike others with CF's dair. I need some tips xDI'm guessing the spike part of the attack comes from only a few frames of the attack (most likely the first few and my guessing being the feet themselves that cause the spike). I recommend going into training, setting the AI to jump and test it like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 And here I am playing Melee Marth and wondering what all these "problems with spiking" things are. Man, I miss when it was easy to spike... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 And here I am playing Melee Marth and wondering what all these "problems with spiking" things are. Man, I miss when it was easy to spike... It is with Lucina. But with marth....eh... I don't miss it too much tho, cuz I just bair people anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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