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       I'm basing this off the fact they are
1) Iconic
2) were originally in the roster still 3DS glitched
3) popular

 

If they can't be in the 3DS roster, then they can't be in the Wii U roster.  Sakurai and his team tried their hardest to make the Ice Climbers happen on 3DS, but couldn't.  Therefore, Ice Climbers cannot be in Smash 4 at all.  Simple as that.

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I'm basing this off the fact they are
1) Iconic
2) were originally in the roster still 3DS glitched
3) popular

 
1) I'm not sure how icnoic they were. I had no idea who they were until Melee and in terms of icnoicness of other obsecure character I'd give it to G&W and R.O.B. over them.
2) They were in 2 games. And I've said it MANY times that I don't think them being in past games should do ANYTHING for their return. Characters need to make it in on their own merit. Ice Climbers would be near the bottom of the Melee characters in terms of how locked they are for a slot. (IMO that order would Pichu, Roy, Young Link, Doctor Mario, Ice Cimbers, Jig, everyone else from least locked to most)
3) They are popular because of their ability to chain grab, which isn't a thing in this game. Not to mention, every character has its fans, so any character that was cut would have a chunk of people wanting them back.
 

Add on in DLC mate it's obv



If the 3DS hardware can't handle them, they can't make it, period.
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1) I'm not sure how icnoic they were. I had no idea who they were until Melee and in terms of icnoicness of other obsecure character I'd give it to G&W and R.O.B. over them.
2) They were in 2 games. And I've said it MANY times that I don't think them being in past games should do ANYTHING for their return. Characters need to make it in on their own merit. Ice Climbers would be near the bottom of the Melee characters in terms of how locked they are for a slot. (IMO that order would Pichu, Roy, Young Link, Doctor Mario, Ice Cimbers, Jig, everyone else from least locked to most)
3) They are popular because of their ability to chain grab, which isn't a thing in this game. Not to mention, every character has its fans, so any character that was cut would have a chunk of people wanting them back.
 


If the 3DS hardware can't handle them, they can't make it, period.

Err the interview was more they didn't have time to fit an extra character in in time 3DS side, they have time now

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I've come to this conclusion: stay the fornication away from 1-on-1 mode in For Glory.  It literally degenerates into who can grab who first.  Smash Glory, on the other hand, is infinitely more fun and fulfilling.

This isn't anywhere close to my experience. And Smash Glory doesn't have dance-a-thons

Err the interview was more they didn't have time to fit an extra character in in time 3DS side, they have time now

He stated that the 3DS couldn't handle Ice Climbers, not that they didn't have time to make it work.
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This isn't anywhere close to my experience. And Smash Glory doesn't have dance-a-thonsHe stated that the 3DS couldn't handle Ice Climbers, not that they didn't have time to make it work.


But the 3DS can handle a downloadable charecter now? I clearly remeber something about trying to put IC in later, I'll go hunting for it again
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But the 3DS can handle a downloadable charecter now?

That has nothing to do with why Ice Climbers didn't work.

Ice Climbers didn't work because they literally could not get the two characters to function in the 3DS version. Time isn't the issue.
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That has nothing to do with why Ice Climbers didn't work.Ice Climbers didn't work because they literally could not get the two characters to function in the 3DS version. Time isn't the issue.


Rosina is a two character player. And the 3DS is getting an upgrade, also there are reminents of the climbers in the wiiu versions so Konami may just finish them off in an update
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Rosina is a two character player. And the 3DS is getting an upgrade, also there are reminents of the climbers in the wiiu versions so Konami may just finish them off in an update

Konami doesn't make the game.
Rosalina is a completely different character that functions completely differently from Ice Climbers.

And the userbase would likely not be happy at all if Ice Climbers is only available on the new 3ds.
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Konami doesn't make the game.Rosalina is a completely different character that functions completely differently from Ice Climbers.And the userbase would likely not be happy at all if Ice Climbers is only available on the new 3ds.


Sorry, YGO hath corrupted me. I really feel like there will be a DLC update or atleast finalization for the WiiU version. The data and all exists for them already on the WiiU and it won't be much work to finish it. People will always cry, first rule of life, wants are infinte
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Rosina is a two character player. And the 3DS is getting an upgrade, also there are reminents of the climbers in the wiiu versions so Konami may just finish them off in an update

 
While Rosalina has a similar function to Ice Climbers, Luma is very limited in what copies while the second climber is a full mirror. The 3DS can handle a simple mirror, but the full one that is the Ice Climbers is too much for the system.

Every game will have unfinished data for characters and other random nonsense. Brawl had like half a dozen unfinished characters. And yes wants are infinite, which is why its impossible to try and satisfy everyone. So given that the amount of feel bad of having a DLC character limited to the New 3DS vs. the amount of feel good for getting them in is very likely to weigh heavy on the side feel bad.

And again, Ice Climber really aren't that popular. Sakurai said so himself in the interview. The thing people like about them is the stupid crap they can do with grabs, but thats gone with the change to the grab functionality.
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Luma functions more like an extension of Rosalina. She moves like a puppet, not a separate AI, or as a transformable character.

 

The new 3ds CAN likely hold Ice Climbers, but I doubt they would do that, because a lot of people only have a 3ds.

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I sadly agree they probably won't return, but think for a second.

Say Nintendo does offer them as Wii U DLC sometime down the line. People will be pissed, right?

So what?

What're you guys gonna do, sell the game out of frustration? Refuse to buy a copy? Decide you'll abstain support by not buying Smash 5?

Are 3DS gamers gonna throw such a shitstorm over the Ice Climbers of all things?

I dunno, I think people would be pretty disgruntled over not being able to have an okay character for 5 minutes before they realize they don't actually care.

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I sadly agree they probably won't return, but think for a second.
Say Nintendo does offer them as Wii U DLC sometime down the line. People will be pissed, right?
So what?
What're you guys gonna do, sell the game out of frustration? Refuse to buy a copy? Decide you'll abstain support by not buying Smash 5?
Are 3DS gamers gonna throw such a shitstorm over the Ice Climbers of all things?
I dunno, I think people would be pretty disgruntled over not being able to have an okay character for 5 minutes before they realize they don't actually care.

 

Its important because the company wants to keep the trust of its customers. They said that characters would be available on both systems and going back on it would make them look bad. Again, they don't want to make people fell bad, and the amount of feel bad that would come from that kind of move would vastly out weight the feel good, because as you said, most people don't care about IC and their one niche, chain grabs, is gone. 

 

Also known as everyone whining until Mewtwo is back. I personally don't care because I've never played Melee (I know, I know. But I want to play it.)


Mewtwo wasn't even good in Melee. Like, he is actually just one of the worse characters. People want him in because he is so iconic.
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If I'm honest, I wasn't even fussed that the Ice Climbers were cut, and I thought it was understandable after finding out the reason as to why they were cut. Not gonna lie when I first loaded up Melee, I didn't even know who the Ice Climbers were. I didn't even think they were that popular even with their "niche". I just didn't particularly care for them (as long with quite a few others) tbh.

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I still don't see why people really wanted Ice Climbers in. They never really added a whole lot, I didn't think.

Mewtwo, I actually never used him. But I know how super iconic he is, so that makes more sense. Ice Climbers, not so much.

Though I think I knew who Ice Climbers were before I knew who Mewtwo was, when I was a kid.

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