Tentacruel Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Now, those political beliefs happen to be Nazism, and he named his child Adolf Hitler, so... http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/04/heath-campbell-nazi-father-child-named-adolf-hitler-custody-heinrich-hons_n_3382822.html Anyway, **** the Nazi's. The only thing they're good for is target practice, but this is unacceptable. You can't just make an exception of free speech and expression for Nazi's, and the man seems to really care about his children, saying he would give up his beliefs if he had to. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyng's Old Account Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 He'd very likely lose custody even if he wasn't a Nazi, due to the way society works with the law. I doubt they have a solid household and thus would likely lose custody one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 A person's political beliefs shouldn't be used against them in a custody trial. Yeah, he's a nazi. And? What interests me is more detail into the domestic violence allegations. That's what matters. Also, the photos look like cosplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 It's a very dangerous line to cross, but it does make me wonder how much of an impact his beliefs would have on the child if he does win custody. Society has stil not quite moved on from religious, racism, etc (Russia is a very good example of such things (no offense to any Russians here)), Nazi will always be a very dirty word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 This is quite sad, really. The guy clearly loves his children. We can't discriminate against people because of their political beliefs the same way we can't stop parents from raising their kids to be Catholics or Orthodox Jews. It's just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted June 6, 2013 Report Share Posted June 6, 2013 Weird for some guy to be a Nazi and name his children after infamous Nazi leaders, just because he has those beliefs, he still is a father and has a bond to his children. It's pretty much society exerting what's more acceptable vs a very risky family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 This is quite sad, really. The guy clearly loves his children. We can't discriminate against people because of their political beliefs the same way we can't stop parents from raising their kids to be Catholics or Orthodox Jews. It's just wrong. The sad part is, people will always try to stop parents from raising their kids to be whatever they aren't. It's completely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRoseQueen Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 As long as he doesn't teach his children to harm others, unfortunately there isn't any grounds to take them away. I'm horrified, but until actual abuse or anything like that happens, he does have the right to his kids.(I personally believe him instructing how to be a good Nazi could be damaging.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 As long as he doesn't teach his children to harm others, unfortunately there isn't any grounds to take them away. I'm horrified, but until actual abuse or anything like that happens, he does have the right to his kids.(I personally believe him instructing how to be a good Nazi could be damaging.) Wow, you took the complete opposite side. Anyhow, people have definitely lost custody over more stupid things, so really. And it's not like hunting people down for their beliefs is a new thing in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRoseQueen Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 I'm sure I did. :P (Not being sarcastic. My internet arguing skills have yet to reach my IRL ones.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Freedom of expression is absolute for absolutely nobody. There are penalties in life for not being able to compromise with the ideological norms of one's environment, the nature of which depend on the degree of the ideological conflict. Heath Campbell's decision to name his children after Nazi leaders is an expression of such passionate commitment to an ideaology so averse to universal norms that it demonstrates an unwillingness to compromise so extreme that he poses a threat to those around him, including his children. It is, in my opinion, necessary to restrict freedom of speech/expression to an extent, not for the sake of fearmongering/thought policing (I know we have some avid Orwell fans here on YCM), but for the sake of maintaining a reasonable consideration for the basic human needs of other people. Ideas are the mothers of actions, and actions based on Nazist beliefs have destructive potential. If he is willing to give up Nazism for love of his children, I see his being made to do so as fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Freedom of expression is absolute for absolutely nobody. There are penalties in life for not being able to compromise with the ideological norms of one's environment, the nature of which depend on the degree of the ideological conflict. Heath Campbell's decision to name his children after Nazi leaders is an expression of such passionate commitment to an ideaology so averse to universal norms that it demonstrates an unwillingness to compromise so extreme that he poses a threat to those around him, including his children. It is, in my opinion, necessary to restrict freedom of speech/expression to an extent, not for the sake of fearmongering/thought policing (I know we have some avid Orwell fans here on YCM), but for the sake of maintaining a reasonable consideration for the basic human needs of other people. Ideas are the mothers of actions, and actions based on Nazist beliefs have destructive potential. If he is willing to give up Nazism for love of his children, I see his being made to do so as fair. Absolutism only works in a society that has accepted it and willing concedes ALL power, not just the power of some, to an autocratic or otherwise monolithic government Restricting the freedom of expression to certain individuals in a society that prides itself in being free is just as bad as any Nazi regime. Or at least and Nazi regime that doesn't hide its blatant discrimination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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