Superdoopertrooper Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I actually don't mind this cards design at all. Even with OCG rules on surrendering, this card is fine. Requires a lot of investment to bring it out and requires a situational circumstance in order to get the effect to work, which is something you have to work a lot towards to actually achieve. There will be moments where you could either decide to simply win the duel outright by attacking with whatever else you have out on the field, or you could decide to not actually win the duel now, but instead wait a bit longer to see if you can get out VD and win the match instead. It's probably the most unique effect that a legal card has in that respect. Should go to 3. Inb4dragonrulers (it would be a lulzy tech at most) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 This thing is ridiculous and should never have been made legal. Bringing it back would change the game so radically that it should never come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 The ever popular Totem Dragon comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 (it would be a lulzy tech at most)Yeah but the games it wins in that deck are so undeserved just off how easy you can drop VD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Obligatory reason why it's banned is because you can surrender just before Victory Dragon's attack goes through which makes you lose the effect of Victory Dragon and not because of the fact that it's broken. It's a pretty silly card though. Dunno if any decks could make it that would want to make it, but I wouldn't want to see it around just because it would make tournaments a nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 This is what started the whole line of tournament prize cards with the win the match condition. Still would be interesting if they remade this as an Xyz monster without the match condition effect but at least an effect that would be effective while its on the field, kind of like Utopia Ray Victory, like remade as Victory Dragon V or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKaitoKid Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 If you lose the match because of this thing, you deserve. Just admit defeat before it attacks, then go into game 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 Is it just me, or does its art look a bit like Ra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 Bring it to 1 for a format. I mean, the game's only going to get more broken, right? **prepares Flame Shield** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 [quote name="Arin the Illustrious" post="6213691" timestamp="1370228519"]Bring it to 1 for a format. I mean, the game's only going to get more broken, right? **prepares Flame Shield**[/quote] Trooper, in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 I had forgotten this card even existed. I should hunt for that Secret Rare version for collection's purposes. It was always situational, though it's usage in some broken combo wasn't the reason for it's ban iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 Is it just me, or does its art look a bit like Ra?I think that was on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 The fact that you can surrender before it attacks makes this completely useless, and in no way worth the trouble. Like Kaito said, you'd have to be a moron to let this thing win anyway. I'm cool with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aix Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 The fact that you can surrender before it attacks makes this completely useless, and in no way worth the trouble. Like Kaito said, you'd have to be a moron to let this thing win anyway. I'm cool with it. Except you can't just surrender in OCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 Except you can't just surrender in OCG. Ah, well that is news to me... Although it still doesn't really warrant playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 In the OCG, you can only concede during your turn. A card that lets you claim victory for Duels you haven't yet played is just dumb. The Victory Dragon cards are pretty much the only cards that affect Duels other than the one you're currently playing. It's a funny card, but it's banned because it's a stupid effect. Victory Dragon is the only one that was ever legal. All future ones were just prize cards that couldn't officially be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 Wasn't this banned primarially because it's a judge's absolute nightmare when they get called over to a table where someone is clearly trying to dodge the effect? I assume it'd cause rediculous amounts of petty argument. I'd also think, but I would most likely be wrong because let's face it, this thing is forever banned and it's counterparts aren't even playable, but scooping just before this attacks or something like that really should constitute a match loss. It sounds stupid otherwise for the one player to get 3 dragons, tribute them for this, go into their battle phase against a blank board and not win the match because the opponent scooped. And secondly for being absolutely terrible design in winning duels that haven't been played yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 Classic Trooper topic I have to agree with Shard here, it's to be banned forever and to be honest it should not have been made legal in the first place because of the nightmares it'd cause in tournaments. "Oh look I beat you with Victory Dragon, the match is mine." I also think it's stupid to decide games that have not been played yet especially since we don't know how they'd be played out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 its entirely pointless and shits on the concept of having a MATCH to test who is more deserving of the win. keep this card at zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdoopertrooper Posted June 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Classic Trooper topic I have to agree with Shard here, it's to be banned forever and to be honest it should not have been made legal in the first place because of the nightmares it'd cause in tournaments. "Oh look I beat you with Victory Dragon, the match is mine." I also think it's stupid to decide games that have not been played yet especially since we don't know how they'd be played out. What nightmares? a] Nobody would even run this card in a tournament in the first place because it's pretty janky. b] Even it was, there is a very, very low chance that the situation would come up where VD is about to attack directly for game. c] If the tournament is under TCG rules and a player scoops before he can get his effect off, tough cookies for the dumb opponent who didn't know that his deck was pointless, and the Judge can simply tell the player the ruling as he would with any other card. d] If it's an OCG tournament, same as before, the Judge can simply enforce that the player can't scoop before VD happens, and the player controlling VD wins the match (which he would damn well deserve). its entirely pointless and shits on the concept of having a MATCH to test who is more deserving of the win. keep this card at zero. Right... it shits on the concept of having a match, because you know, EVERYONE is going to run Victory Dragon in their deck and they are ALWAYS going to get it to work. If I ever lost a match to Victory Dragon, I'd be the first to congratulate the opponent for managing to pull such a thing off. If they manage to do so, they deserve to win the match, and it would be great that such a thing could happen, it gives a legitimately rewarding payoff for trying to achieve a difficult goal that you would otherwise never bother trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 The fact that you can surrender before it attacks makes this completely useless, and in no way worth the trouble. Like Kaito said, you'd have to be a moron to let this thing win anyway. I'm cool with it. And then you get into the whole sportsmanship argument and talk to the people who think you should just lose the match anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 What nightmares? a] Nobody would even run this card in a tournament in the first place because it's pretty janky. b] Even it was, there is a very, very low chance that the situation would come up where VD is about to attack directly for game. c] If the tournament is under TCG rules and a player scoops before he can get his effect off, tough cookies for the dumb opponent who didn't know that his deck was pointless, and the Judge can simply tell the player the ruling as he would with any other card. d] If it's an OCG tournament, same as before, the Judge can simply enforce that the player can't scoop before VD happens, and the player controlling VD wins the match (which he would damn well deserve). Sorry, but if you quote me, you will get quoted. tl;dr, I REALLY dun care about what you have to say seeing as it shouldn't even have been legal in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murphy ☆ Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Victory Dragon is my favorite card and I would main it in a deck if it were at 1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 [quote name="Superdoopertrooper" post="6214892" timestamp="1370365202"]Right... it shits on the concept of having a match, because you know, EVERYONE is going to run Victory Dragon in their deck and they are ALWAYS going to get it to work. If I ever lost a match to Victory Dragon, I'd be the first to congratulate the opponent for managing to pull such a thing off. If they manage to do so, they deserve to win the match, and it would be great that such a thing could happen, it gives a legitimately rewarding payoff for trying to achieve a difficult goal that you would otherwise never bother trying to do.[/quote] That logic is pretty sound for the first game VD wins. They went through the effort, they summoned it, etc., they deserve to win that game. However, why should the other two games in a match be decided on the events of game one alone? Why should an entire game simply be dismissed as if it didn't matter, based off of the events of an unrelated duel that would have played a very different course than it? It's almost be like if VD said "If you win one game with this card, you automatically win the next 2." The other player would feel cheated, and rightfully so. It shits on P2P interaction by preventing ENTIRE GAMES from occurring in the first place, not even giving the other player a chance to draw 5, let alone draw a shitty 5. So it should stay banned forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Perhaps the only dragon besides CED where I honestly don't know what the designer was thinking. It's completely idiotic to allow one game to decide a match, even worse if it's a lucksack. After looking at this, I tried to figure out how that effect would apply in the anime. Since all their games are one-shots, the effect would have to be used In a tournament arc, and would essentially read "if you win with this, go straght to the finals". We all know what's wrong with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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