TTR~ Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 Well, if Goku can't then what about Vegeto/Gogeta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 Well, if Goku can't then what about Vegeto/Gogeta? Saiyans are too proud to use any unfair advantages like Kryptonite and as long as a yellow sun is present, Superman can become as strong as he needs to beat them. They could use Instant Transmission to get him somewhere without a sun, but again, they won't use unfair advantages. Gogeta is the strongest being in the DBZ universe by far, and he would probably give Clark a pretty brutal beatdown, but he's too damn hammy to finish it in 10 minutes. He could probably do it, but he will get carried away and drag it on longer than he needs to so he would split back into Goku and Vegeta before being able to finish the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 They could beat quite a few versions, actually. They have cartoony strength/speed feats. That is just... mind=blown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
宇佐見 蓮子@C94 Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 While we're here, why not discuss fist-fights against Superman without the bullshit sun powers? Remember Saitama, the guy from One-Punch Man who kills anything and everything with one punch? So far, he showed considerable feats, such as destroying a whole meteor the size of a city and destroying anything he sees with one strike. Also, Suika from Touhou. Yes, I'm bringing up Touhou again. She can manipulate density, which basically means she can turn Superman's chest into a black hole. Hell, she even throws miniature black holes. At the same time, she can turn herself (and possibly other objects) into mist, thus making all of Superman's punches and godmodding pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 While we're here, why not discuss fist-fights against Superman without the bullshit sun powers? Remember Saitama, the guy from One-Punch Man who kills anything and everything with one punch? So far, he showed considerable feats, such as destroying a whole meteor the size of a city and destroying anything he sees with one strike. Also, Suika from Touhou. Yes, I'm bringing up Touhou again. She can manipulate density, which basically means she can turn Superman's chest into a black hole. Hell, she even throws miniature black holes. At the same time, she can turn herself (and possibly other objects) into mist, thus making all of Superman's punches and godmodding pointless. Finally, Saitama is brought up. He's definitely a contender plus in so many ways is more interesting then super man who was herp de derp born to be nigh unbeatable. Sure he can't fly (as stated by himself) but have you seen him jump? He's got jump skills equal to that of the hulk. Hell when he took down the meteor the building he jumped off literally crushed at least 10 feet into the ground and was almost completely destroyed. Not only that but he as far as I'm concerned has as of yet hasn't gotten even remotely serious in a fight. When his apprentice asked to spar with him, Saitama was so fast that his apprentice found out he was fighting an after image the whole time. Also, so far the fastest guy in the we'v seen so far in the comic still is nothing compared to him in speed. I reference this: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Onepunch-Man-ONE/Ch-049-Read-Online?id=167471 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 While we're here, why not discuss fist-fights against Superman without the bullshit sun powers? Remember Saitama, the guy from One-Punch Man who kills anything and everything with one punch? So far, he showed considerable feats, such as destroying a whole meteor the size of a city and destroying anything he sees with one strike. Also, Suika from Touhou. Yes, I'm bringing up Touhou again. She can manipulate density, which basically means she can turn Superman's chest into a black hole. Hell, she even throws miniature black holes. At the same time, she can turn herself (and possibly other objects) into mist, thus making all of Superman's punches and godmodding pointless. Without sundipping himself, there are a lot more people who can beat him with little to no problem. Suika wins even if he does go sundipping, as long as she's allowed to use all of her power and not just danmaku in the fight. control over density makes her have one of the most broken power sets ever short of reality warpers. and if my science is correct, higher density= higher mass, leading to her black hole abilities. and since black holes absorb light and crush everything that makes it to the explosive ring, superman would be either stuck there forever, or be crushed to death. (if her black holes work on similar principles to real ones.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTR~ Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 Saiyans are too proud to use any unfair advantages like Kryptonite and as long as a yellow sun is present, Superman can become as strong as he needs to beat them. They could use Instant Transmission to get him somewhere without a sun, but again, they won't use unfair advantages. Gogeta is the strongest being in the DBZ universe by far, and he would probably give Clark a pretty brutal beatdown, but he's too damn hammy to finish it in 10 minutes. He could probably do it, but he will get carried away and drag it on longer than he needs to so he would split back into Goku and Vegeta before being able to finish the job. I dunno, he is half Vegeta after all. Neither of their power have been explored to the fullest but they can certainly go SS3 or SS4 if you want to include GT. Also, it's totally possible to use Kaioken while in a Super Saiyan state. I'd say SS3/SS4 Vegeto/Gogeta with Kaioken could destroy Superman. He'd increase the Kaioken to whatever's needed. However the Kaioken would destroy Vegeto/Gogeta due to his body not being to handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 Yup. Murphy logic explains it all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXm6F-K6Ffo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 Also, it's totally possible to use Kaioken while in a Super Saiyan state. Goku could only use it for a few seconds in SS1 while he didn't have a living body holding him back. He can't do it while alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTR~ Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 Darn, well that's what I get for using filler as an argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Liebert Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 goku, and thats about it, w/ everyone else u said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotKrow Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Nightcrawler: Blink onto him, blink into limbo and drop his ass off there, blink out. gg no re. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Nightcrawler: Blink onto him, blink into limbo and drop his ass off there, blink out. gg no re. Even assuming he did get that to work, that wouldn't really kill Superman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Nightcrawler: Blink onto him, blink into limbo and drop his ass off there, blink out. gg no re. There's a limited radius to his teleport, I believe it was 2-5 miles. I dunno, he is half Vegeta after all. Neither of their power have been explored to the fullest but they can certainly go SS3 or SS4 if you want to include GT. Also, it's totally possible to use Kaioken while in a Super Saiyan state. I'd say SS3/SS4 Vegeto/Gogeta with Kaioken could destroy Superman. He'd increase the Kaioken to whatever's needed. However the Kaioken would destroy Vegeto/Gogeta due to his body not being to handle it. It's not an issue with his strength, it's his personality. You saw what happened with Omega Shenron. Gogeta was playing with him because of how strong he was and he dragged it on longer than he needed to so he split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTR~ Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 It's not an issue with his strength, it's his personality. You saw what happened with Omega Shenron. Gogeta was playing with him because of how strong he was and he dragged it on longer than he needed to so he split. True, but this is only for Gogeta. Vegeto could teleport him to Namek or something and take him out. Just throwing stuff out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Shiki Ryougi's Mystic Eyes of Death Perception (of Kara no Kyoukai) can easily kill Superman, but that's only if she can hypothetically trap or surprise him...somehow. In all honesty, she'd probably lose, so her best chance would be for her to cut the future of her losing to Superman and use this little event to get close to the real thing and cut him down. OR she could just hide in a lead box, wait for him to turn his back around, and then jump out to take him by surprise and cut his lines of death. Since Supes is an alien, Shiki Tohno's weaker MEoDP probably won't be able to see the Kryptonian's death. ... Gurren Lagann can probably take on several Superman Primes without worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Shiki Ryougi's Mystic Eyes of Death Perception (of Kara no Kyoukai) can easily kill Superman, but that's only if she can hypothetically trap or surprise him...somehow. In all honesty, she'd probably lose, so her best chance would be for her to cut the future of her losing to Superman and use this little event to get close to the real thing and cut him down. OR she could just hide in a lead box, wait for him to turn his back around, and then jump out to take him by surprise and cut his lines of death. Since Supes is an alien, Shiki Tohno's weaker MEoDP probably won't be able to see the Kryptonian's death. ... Gurren Lagann can probably take on several Superman Primes without worry. Actually, look up any superman fight. superman is one of those heroes that has a habit of not dodging attacks from knives and guns. Shiki might not be able to outrun him, but if personality is factored into the fight, superman loses to both Tohno and Ryougi Shiki simply by not dodging the first blow aimed at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Maybe Father of the Homunculi after he joined with God? He was supposed to have limitless power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Maybe Father of the Homunculi after he joined with God? He was supposed to have limitless power. Possibly, but remember how it was difficult for him to even move while he was containing that god? I doubt he could stand up to a speedblizing superman... NEW THOUGHT!!! couldn't Hoenhiem, Edward, Father, and alphose just use alchemy to make absurd amounts of kryptonite? Victory by alchemic cheat code? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Possibly, but remember how it was difficult for him to even move while he was containing that god? I doubt he could stand up to a speedblizing superman... NEW THOUGHT!!! couldn't Hoenhiem, Edward, Father, and alphose just use alchemy to make absurd amounts of kryptonite? Victory by alchemic cheat code? I don't think that they know the chemical structure of kryptonite, so they can't transmute it. If someone were to tell them though, and they prepared the proper materials, then maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 I don't think that they know the chemical structure of kryptonite, so they can't transmute it. If someone were to tell them though, and they prepared the proper materials, then maybe. So they win if they get 5 minutes prep time and a decent internet connection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 So they win if they get 5 minutes prep time and a decent internet connection? Well, they'd have to go about acquiring the components for Kryptonite, and I don't know how long those would take to get... So idk, maybe, or maybe it'd take a few days. Depends on what Kryptonite is really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Well, they'd have to go about acquiring the components for Kryptonite, and I don't know how long those would take to get... So idk, maybe, or maybe it'd take a few days. Depends on what Kryptonite is really. I'm pretty sure anyone could win given a few days prep time by just looking around the planet for Kryptonite. Basically, Kryptonite is part of Krypton, and it becomes corrosive when exposed to the outer atmosphere. Thus, during its destruction, most of Krypton's stuff became Kryptonite. It's not an element, but a compound. According to Superman III, it's an alloy formed by 'intense heat fusion' made up of 15.08% plutonium, 18.06% tantalum, 27.71% xenon, 24.02% promethium, 10.62% dialium, 3.94% mercury, and 0.57% of an unknown substance. In Superman Returns, it's 'sodium lithium boron silicate hydroxide with fluorine'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 I'm pretty sure anyone could win given a few days prep time by just looking around the planet for Kryptonite. Basically, Kryptonite is part of Krypton, and it becomes corrosive when exposed to the outer atmosphere. Thus, during its destruction, most of Krypton's stuff became Kryptonite. It's not an element, but a compound. According to Superman III, it's an alloy formed by 'intense heat fusion' made up of 15.08% plutonium, 18.06% tantalum, 27.71% xenon, 24.02% promethium, 10.62% dialium, 3.94% mercury, and 0.57% of an unknown substance. In Superman Returns, it's 'sodium lithium boron silicate hydroxide with fluorine'. Congratulations Kotomine!! You just made any alchemist in FMA able to beat superman. Ed, Hoenheim, Alphonse and Father can all use clap alchemy remember? Meaning they don't actually need to gather the materials, they can just convert normal elements by changing their properties. Once they know what to change an element to, all they have to do is clap their hands and they have a near limitless supply. Hoenheim and father are literal walking philosophers stones, so they can literally make kryptonite out of thin air once they understand the composition... ...And by that same reasoning, skilled magi from the nasuverse can use (I think it was called) gradient air, to trace kryptonite before they face superman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Congratulations Kotomine!! You just made any alchemist in FMA able to beat superman. Ed, Hoenheim, Alphonse and Father can all use clap alchemy remember? Meaning they don't actually need to gather the materials, they can just convert normal elements by changing their properties. Once they know what to change an element to, all they have to do is clap their hands and they have a near limitless supply. Hoenheim and father are literal walking philosophers stones, so they can literally make kryptonite out of thin air once they understand the composition... ...And by that same reasoning, skilled magi from the nasuverse can use (I think it was called) gradient air, to trace kryptonite before they face superman. Problem is they don't know what that last 0.57% is. It's probably a naturally occurring element from Krypton that is not found on Earth and that's why it's unidentifiable. Without knowing that last bit, they can't actually make Kryptonite and trying different isotopes of known elements would require them to test every one of them on Superman to check for effectiveness. As if he would allow them to test their Kryptonite replicas on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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