L0SS Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 That artwork. Also, wanted to raise a discussion: Has Life Point gain ever been worthwhile? Could it be again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Not really, probably not. And eww. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Games Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Thank you, Censorship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Life Point gain has only ever been relevant or used in three instances. 1) Stall Decks that go into Time and side Golden Ladybugs. 2) Psychics 3) Ancient Fairy Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingdom Xathers Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 [quote name="Dementuo" post="6180332" timestamp="1365787603"]Life Point gain has only ever been relevant or used in three instances. 1) Stall Decks that go into Time and side Golden Ladybugs. 2) Psychics 3) Ancient Fairy Dragon[/quote] You forgot Flint Lock Loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 life gain will be worthless until there's a card that turns exponentially high LP into an alt win condition such a card would probably require a hit on inferno tempest and or soul absorbtion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 That's more fan disservice..... No, LP gaining has never been really worth it, and it probably never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Life Point gain has only ever been relevant or used in three instances.1) Stall Decks that go into Time and side Golden Ladybugs.Lol@Time limits2) PsychicsThey at least justified it... At first.3) Ancient Fairy DragonFairy Dragon's 1000 gain is just a bonus, but still relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Ancient Sacred Wyvern and Neo Parshath decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 The problem is that Life Point gain is only really relevant when part of an infinite Life Point loop, or as a stall deck. Both of which are bad for the game. It'd be nice to make a sort of agro Life Gain Deck out of it, but to be realistic, since the point of a deck is to decrease the other's Life, you'd need to be overwhelmingly winning for it to work. Psychics are meh in that matter. They only gain a lot because they pay a lot. At the end of the day you more or less break even with most of that support. Though that's probably the best Life Gain use there is out there. I had a stall Pikeru Deck. Getting to 200,000+ Life feels nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted April 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 The problem is that Life Point gain is only really relevant when part of an infinite Life Point loop, or as a stall deck. Both of which are bad for the game. It'd be nice to make a sort of agro Life Gain Deck out of it, but to be realistic, since the point of a deck is to decrease the other's Life, you'd need to be overwhelmingly winning for it to work. Psychics are meh in that matter. They only gain a lot because they pay a lot. At the end of the day you more or less break even with most of that support. Though that's probably the best Life Gain use there is out there. I had a stall Pikeru Deck. Getting to 200,000+ Life feels nice I suppose the only way to win is to increase your life points to incredibly high amounts, to the point where your opponent gives in. This is not a great win condition though, and encourages Flint Lock and other irritating loops. I'm going to rack my brain and think up of a way that isn't quite so degenerating. The Pikerus were fun. I'd like to see them get an Xyz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murphy ☆ Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Life Point gain has only ever been relevant or used in three instances. 1) Stall Decks that go into Time and side Golden Ladybugs. 2) Psychics 3) Ancient Fairy Dragon Unless you were one of those people who tried (and failed) building a useable Winged Dragon of Ra deck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 life gain will be worthless until there's a card that turns exponentially high LP into an alt win condition such a card would probably require a hit on inferno tempest and or soul absorbtion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted April 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 life gain will be worthless until there's a card that turns exponentially high LP into an alt win condition such a card would probably require a hit on inferno tempest and or soul absorbtion Feasibly make it a 5K beater? Hell yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Actually the list is the following. Pick your poison (or rather, your antidote): Monsters of ATK = LP -Type Is there another one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Air Neos is built for Decks that drop their LP as low as possible without losing, which is not hard, and Endless Decay works with Garbage Lord. LP gain is not a good win condition for a Deck, even infinite LP gain, because you can still be Decked Out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Why hasn't anyone mentioned Soul Taker and Upstart Goblin? LP gain and burn should be used as added benefit or downside to cards, not the focus. Reasoning? Because it either leads to useless cards or decks meant to alt win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Why hasn't anyone mentioned Soul Taker and Upstart Goblin? LP gain and burn should be used as added benefit or downside to cards, not the focus. Reasoning? Because it either leads to useless cards or decks meant to alt win This. Hell I went into Magic thinking with the different life system it'd be a better concept. It's still a shit gimmick unless you get something else out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Why hasn't anyone mentioned Soul Taker and Upstart Goblin?Because this topic is more about SELF-Life Point gain.Upstart and Soul Taker just use it as an obscure drawback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted April 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Because this topic is more about SELF-Life Point gain. Upstart and Soul Taker just use it as an obscure drawback. Life-point gain for your opponent has always been as minuscule a drawback as you can have. Conversely, Life-point loss as a drawback used to feel like a big deal a long time ago; but nowadays, Solemns are always worth it. Life points are important as a whole, but seemingly not as a 'currency', if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperyena Posted April 14, 2013 Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 As a child, gaining lifepoints always seemed like such a good idea to me. It just felt.. so... good, to gain extra LP - and that's why I had cards like Solemn Wishes, and this. The problem with Dian Keto is that Poison of the Old Man completely outclasses it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKaitoKid Posted April 14, 2013 Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 As a child, gaining lifepoints always seemed like such a good idea to me. It just felt.. so... good, to gain extra LP - and that's why I had cards like Solemn Wishes, and this. The problem with Dian Keto is that Poison of the Old Man completely outclasses it. No the problem with Dian Keto is it's a -1 that doesn't really change the game in your favor. At least Poison of the Old Man can win you the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted April 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 Do you think there's a version of Poison of the Old Man with the same style of artwork? Probably best not to go there. Edit: I went there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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