Why Do People On YCM Hate The Yugioh Custom Wikia?

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

So, I asked in a status not too long ago about why the users of this site hate on their wikia counterpart so much, especially since the reason I thought they did, the lack of any administration to keep people from posting whatever the hell they want, has been solved for almost a year. The current admins, including myself, have cracked down on the Rules and Guidelines of the site, and, like YCM, request that people know how to post cards properly or go post them somewhere else. Yet Hatcher, due to a lack of space in the status comments to explain, gave a rather cryptic response.

[quote=Hatcher]

For any other wiki, the wiki is based on a previous work. The My Little Pony wiki is based on My Little Pony. The Half-Life Overwiki is based on Half-Life and Portal. The Custom Wiki isn't based on a work. It IS the work. That's why it's bad.

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Why do you like or dislike the Yugioh Custom Wikia, what does this response mean, and how could we improve things so you stop hating on us?

[Legend Zero]

There was also the whole stealing other member's cards and posting it without credit thing.

 

I also don't think anybody likes the wiki about them.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

There was also the whole stealing other member's cards and posting it without credit thing.

 

I also don't think anybody likes the wiki about them.

I haven't heard about that, but I don't think that is an issue anymore.

And what do you mean by that last part? Yugioh Custom Wikia isn't about any of the people on Yugioh Card Maker. We don't have bios on the various prominent members of this site.

[Agro]

We don't hate it, we just couldn't give two shits about it.

[evilfusion]

As a neutral opinion, but someone who has zero interest, I expect the reason is similar to what Hatcher said. It's not a compilation of information or trivia in regards to material that has a canon basis. From what I understand, the Custom Wiki is a compilation of custom cards/etc? As such, it's in a similar vein to a fanfiction of a fanfiction. It's derivative of something already non-canon, thus giving it next to no credibility or appeal whatsoever.

 

Whereas a fanfiction can be an expansion of something people already like (the fandom), a Wiki of customized stuff has no reason for anyone to browse it. They'll learn next to nothing, the only things they have to add are things directly relevent to themselves, and there's absolutely no grounds for what is noteworthy enough to add.

 

So the main reason, I imagine, is: "Why do, or why should, people care?"

 

What is the appeal? What can they learn from the Custom Wiki about material that doesn't matter to them? It'd be like the Yugioh Wiki having a section about Digimon. And that's not even an accurate example, since Digimon probably has a sizeable fanbase and people could definitely be a fan of both and stumble upon it without necessarily being annoyed by the misplaced location of said section.

 

But on a site devoted to custom cards, what interest does the average person have in browsing a Wiki of custom cards/etc that may have no basis on their tastes?

[Just Crouton]

The wiki's existence is kind of, well, pointless.

 

I mean, this site, Leo's CCG forum, Dueling Network, Yugico, and Cardgame Coalition all let you post custom cards without worrying about an admin deleting them because (well, okay, Black Koko locks threads with obviously broken cards.) I think Leo's CCG has it's own wiki, but his makes sense since it's based on his own CCG and not just random custom cards thrown together pointlessly on a wiki.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

As a neutral opinion, but someone who has zero interest, I expect the reason is similar to what Hatcher said. It's not a compilation of information or trivia in regards to material that has a canon basis. From what I understand, the Custom Wiki is a compilation of custom cards/etc? As such, it's in a similar vein to a fanfiction of a fanfiction. It's derivative of something already non-canon, thus giving it next to no credibility or appeal whatsoever.

 

Whereas a fanfiction can be an expansion of something people already like (the fandom), a Wiki of customized stuff has no reason for anyone to browse it. They'll learn next to nothing, the only things they have to add are things directly relevent to themselves, and there's absolutely no grounds for what is noteworthy enough to add.

 

So the main reason, I imagine, is: "Why do, or why should, people care?"

 

What is the appeal? What can they learn from the Custom Wiki about material that doesn't matter to them? It'd be like the Yugioh Wiki having a section about Digimon. And that's not even an accurate example, since Digimon probably has a sizeable fanbase and people could definitely be a fan of both and stumble upon it without necessarily being annoyed by the misplaced location of said section.

 

But on a site devoted to custom cards, what interest does the average person have in browsing a Wiki of custom cards/etc that may have no basis on their tastes?

It's not just custom cards, but also listings for various fan works, such as a few pieces of fanfiction. In fact, a couple of fanfictions on this site have pages on YCW.
Essentially, we are a fanon wiki before such a concept really existed.

But why does apathy seem to translate into hatred?

[Aix]

People believe it is stupid. People hate stupid things.

[Catterjune]

I don't think my response was in any way cryptic. It means exactly what it says. Though if you'd like me to elaborate I suppose I can.

To put it simply, all custom wikis that are only custom wikis and nothing else are bad.

I like Pokemon, but I wouldn't go onto a Custom Pokemon Region wiki, that was only just a wiki. If it's based on something I enjoyed, like a fangame or a fanfic or a Pokemon RP site, I might feel inclined into looking at the Custom Pokemon Region wiki.

But what's your wiki? It's just a wiki. That's the entire work. There is no place to start, and no guarantee that anything will be of quality. Wikis are supposed to be references to something else. Your wiki references nothing. It is itself in its entirety. If we deleted the entire MLP wiki and all its backups, it could be rebuilt because the show it's refering to still exists. If your wiki and all its backups were deleted, it could never be rebuilt.

I really don't know how much more simply I can put it. But consider this: Instead of asking us to list reasons to list why we dislike it, why not give us a couple reasons why we should like it?

[seattleite]

On here you post a card and have a good chance to get some reviews.

 

On there discussion is hidden behind the "Talk" page which is difficult to browse in the first place. Most likely your comment, or your card, will never be seen by another human's eyes.

 

In short, the forum is easier to use and more populated. The wiki is awkward and sparse.

 

But why does apathy seem to translate into hatred?

That's something only they and their therapists can answer.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

I don't think my response was in any way cryptic. It means exactly what it says. Though if you'd like me to elaborate I suppose I can.

To put it simply, all custom wikis that are only custom wikis and nothing else are bad.

I like Pokemon, but I wouldn't go onto a Custom Pokemon Region wiki, that was only just a wiki. If it's based on something I enjoyed, like a fangame or a fanfic or a Pokemon RP site, I might feel inclined into looking at the Custom Pokemon Region wiki.

But what's your wiki? It's just a wiki. That's the entire work. There is no place to start, and no guarantee that anything will be of quality. Wikis are supposed to be references to something else. Your wiki references nothing. It is itself in its entirety. If we deleted the entire MLP wiki and all its backups, it could be rebuilt because the show it's refering to still exists. If your wiki and all its backups were deleted, it could never be rebuilt.

I really don't know how much more simply I can put it. But consider this: Instead of asking us to list reasons to list why we dislike it, why not give us a couple reasons why we should like it?

1. In conjunction with the card page templates and the archetype templates, our wikia allows for easy organization of custom archetypes.
2. Unless we think you're just trolling or being a jerk, we are willing to teach you how to properly make custom cards.
3. We do ensure quality, and offer actual feedback instead of "lolnope your cards are bad 0/10".
4. We don't go down every couple of weeks because YCMaker wants to make our site more like Facebook.

[Aix]

The fact is, no one really cares about anyone's cards except their own, so they typically don't browse through.

1. Organize your own. As said above, no one, or next to no one, really cares that much. It's also a pain to organize things on a wiki, I'd rather just use Yugico to keep track of my own cards.

2. Oh rly? Can't you do that here, after all, this place is a lot more populated and actually has a convenient to access cardmaker, thus attracting noobs needing the education you offer. Also, because of how hard it is to do stuff on a wiki, it deters noobs.

3. If you can offer feedback there, why don't you come offer feedback here? As with number 2.

4. I dunno anything about this so *shrug*.

[Tentacruel]

I'm a little skeptical of its effectiveness.  Creating a wiki on what is really just a whole mess of fan-works seems odd to me.

[Aix]

It's really just a compilation, you may as well just make a big showcase thread here.

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

Well I just realized of ts existence here just now.

[evilfusion]

It's not just custom cards, but also listings for various fan works, such as a few pieces of fanfiction. In fact, a couple of fanfictions on this site have pages on YCW.
Essentially, we are a fanon wiki before such a concept really existed.

But why does apathy seem to translate into hatred?

 

It's not really fanon, though. Fanon is material originating from the canon, but expanded upon by fans, either through speculation or touching upon concepts the canon didn't really work with. Custom cards and fanfics aren't fanon until the fanbase themselves approve of them to the point that they can be referenced.

 

I'm probably just nitpicking though.

 

"Why does apathy seem to translate into hatred?"

 

Best. Question. Ever.

 

Why? Because it's a legit question about the phenomenon I've analyzed before, but never told people because it's ridiculous to overthink and possibly explain.

 

Simplest version: If someone is jabbering about something you don't care about, don't you get annoyed that they won't shut the hell up?

 

Cool. Now multiple that emotion among tons of people who don't care. There you go, you have a potential hatedom purely around the fact you (hypothetically) won't shut up about something they don't care about.

 

Hey, you know My Little Pony? The show that fans will not shut up about, and derail innumerable topics and forums with memes and images that all reference the show in some way, and let's say you're not a fan. Tolerance will erode after the thirtieth time, if you can be that angelic, and soon you'll develop a berserk button for any material or content related to this thing you're having shoved down your throat. Maybe as revenge for this annoyance, you go to sites or topics or videos and vent your hatred towards this group of people who won't shut up and now the very thought of them unleashes the most venomous contempt and you must let them know how little you think of them, and how they and their ridiculously annoying (and more powerful terms of contempt I won't encourage) fandom can go do anatomically impossible things.

 

MLP is an easy example of how something harmless can be overblown by enthusiastic fans and by the fans' very existence will corrupt indifferent people into hateful people, assuming they don't already have troll tendencies.

 

(Side note: I hate both the fandoms and the hatedoms because they're equally obnoxious and vocal)

 

In the example of this Wiki, people have no reason to "hate it" unless other people are saying "Hey, check out the custom Wiki!" and they're thinking "Nah, don't care". And then more people (or the same person) is like "Hey, Custom Wiki! Look at it! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?"

 

This is probably partly why the status time limit exists. The same person posting multiple irrelevant statuses (irrelevant to the majority of the people who see it) is INCREDIBLY obnoxious. Thus, it churns up frustration and bile.