He says that bullying isn't a real problem?

[FreelancerRaiko]

So apparently I'm talking with this guy over messages here on the forums who thinks that bullying is not a real problem and is a "foolish stereotype". In fact, he even goes as far to say as it doesn't exist in the real world.

 

Not even kidding about this. The kid must be sheltered to hell.

 

 

So what are your thoughts on the topic of bullying?

 

 

 

EDIT: Decided that this video was relevant since it's been going around on the internet a lot lately.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltun92DfnPY

[Simping For Hina]

Frankly. It takes shape in all forms. If you don't believe it exists, then don't believe it. It is not going to change that fact that it does affect people and becomes a real issue if continued. But if you are arguing about bullying exist, then you must have mentioned the issues that it can cause and what shapes it does exist it. So, you must understand that you bullied him in your post. "The kid must be sheltered to hell." By making that assumption, you presume that he doesn't fare anything outside of his shelter and that people only have to be sheltered in order to have beliefs. You mock his existence in subtlety.

[Catterjune]

Saying "bullying" is a problem is a stupid thing to say, but not for the reason you'd imagine.

It's a multifaceted problem that's typically made up of scores of other smaller problems from bad parenting to poor socio-economic standing to emerging technologies to a bunch of other things.

It's disingenuous to take all these problems and just label them "bullying". It's like taking suicides, homicides, accidents, and illness and filing them all under "death".

"Hey guys! How do we fix the problem of 'death'?"

Ridiculous.

[Synchronized]

Bullying is a thing but it's more in-depth than that.

 

Anyone who thinks it isn't a problem should talk to some of the victims.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

To stop bullying is idiotic.

 

To make the teachers actually give a fuck and do something is something else.

[Legend Zero]

Just an fyi, if the name of this person is released then I will warn you for trying to start a flame war. You could've worded this topic without being dangerously close to singling out an individual.

[FreelancerRaiko]

Just an fyi, if the name of this person is released then I will warn you for trying to start a flame war. You could've worded this topic without being dangerously close to singling out an individual.

 

Don't worry, not my intent and I've already refused to give out the name of the member in some messages that I've gotten asking about them. Just thought it was strange that someone could ever have the concept. As far as I've seen in life, it's always been a huge problem. Now I was never the type of guy to sit there and take it, and so whenever people tried to bully others in school I would always deck them in the face. And considering I ended up having to fight a lot, and I mean a whole goddamn LOT in my life, I'd say that the bullying mentality is not only a huge problem in schools but beyond it, and not just into the college years either. The mindset stays in both the work place and out in real world society.

 

The internet itself is also a very good example of it. We even have entire forums and websites dedicated to nothing but harrassing people. Even sites that you would think would never see it pop up in has entire groups dedicated to it. For example, deviantart actually has an entire community dedicated to the idea of harrassing people. Literally all you have to do is send in someone's username on the site and a horde of about a couple thousand members will descend on that person like a rabbid dog.

 

So yes, the idea of "bullying" is very prevalent, and takes on many different forms and names. Even we denizens of the internet have taken to calling it "trolling", but when you think about it "trolling" is nothing more than an attempt at the old junior high school bullying of picking on others.

[Toffee.]

Lets not compare Bullying to Trolling, please.
As the later has different forms of it, rather then being just purely negative.
Just sayin'

[FreelancerRaiko]

Lets not compare Bullying to Trolling, please.
As the later has different forms of it, rather then being just purely negative.
Just sayin'

 

In the end, is there really a difference though when you boil it down to its core? After all, bullying is not just all physical is it? A lot of it stems from the verbal abuse given to others as well, and trolling is nothing but an expression of that desire to try and be cruel or negative to others. So yes, it may very well be that "trolling" is nothing but "bullying" just by a different name. These are things we must think about before we commit an action,,even on the internet, for before we realize it we ourselves may end up feeding into the very cycle many of us have hated for so long, and may even become a part of it ourselves.

[Dementuo]

It's funny because you just kicked me from that very conversation after essentially refuting every point I had made without even providing a counter-argument.

[FreelancerRaiko]

It's funny because you just kicked me from that very conversation after essentially refuting every point I had made without even providing a counter-argument.

 

 

Isn't that the other way around? You do realize I can post the conversation and invite everyone that wants to see it. They can see your responses that you made that were pretty much nothing but "cool story bros". Then when I made a logical point, you would just do it again. And so I left the conversation. There wasn't even a conversation to be had really. In fact, you didn't even try and make a point or argument at all, or even a bad one at the least. So since you would not respond with any logical answers, I left.

 

Like I said, I have no problem inviting others to the conversation if they wish to see how you acted for themselves.

 

Also, great way for outing yourself in the middle of the forum. Now this is a thread dealing with a conversation over the topic of bullying, if you wish to make a logical debate here (unlike in those messages), then you are welcome to. If you, however, simply wish to try and rage more over me refusing to continue dealing with what was basically spam in my messages, then kindly leave.

[Toffee.]

trolling is nothing but an expression of that desire to try and be cruel or negative to others.

Trolling has varying degrees, and not all of them are negative.
For example, that infamous Eisbahn topic we had ages ago. The whole thing was a spam-dump that got quite a few of us(even Me) banned for a few days. Was funny as hell, and we basically trolled the whole topic. Was it directed at anyone in particular? No. It was unintentional and absolutely hilarious.
Another example, would be Rick Astley; Sure its annoying to get Rick Rolled out of nowhere, but none of it is ever truly serious(And to be fair, its the other guy's fault for clicking a suspicious YouTube link... Heh...)
So not necessarily all forms of trolling are negative. Just, some more then others.

[Dementuo]

Isn't that the other way around? So you may believe.

You do realize I can post the conversation and invite everyone that wants to see it. I do realize this. I fail to see how it would discredit me.

They can see your responses that you made that were pretty much nothing but "cool story bros". Again, you may believe what you want.

Then when I made a logical point, you would just do it again. Except for the part where you ignored my own points.

And so I left the conversation. There wasn't even a conversation to be had really. I couldn't agree more.

In fact, you didn't even try and make a point or argument at all, or even a bad one at the least. Except for the part where I did.

So since you would not respond with any logical answers, I left. There was little logic to be found in your answers as well.

 

Like I said, I have no problem inviting others to the conversation if they wish to see how you acted for themselves. By all means, feel free. People may decide for themselves.

 

Also, great way for outing yourself in the middle of the forum. Anon wished to step forward. So Anon stepped forward.

Now this is a thread dealing with a conversation over the topic of bullying, if you wish to make a logical debate here (unlike in those messages), then you are welcome to. [b]I tried to before. You didn't seem so keen on the idea.

If you, however, simply wish to try and rage more over me refusing to continue dealing with what was basically spam in my messages, then kindly leave. I fail to see my apparent rage, just as I fail to see a reason to leave.

[FreelancerRaiko]

Trolling has varying degrees, and not all of them are negative.
For example, that infamous Eisbahn topic we had ages ago. The whole thing was a spam-dump that got quite a few of us(even Me) banned for a few days. Was funny as hell, and we basically trolled the whole topic. Was it directed at anyone in particular? No. It was unintentional and absolutely hilarious.
Another example, would be Rick Astley; Sure its annoying to get Rick Rolled out of nowhere, but none of it is ever truly serious(And to be fair, its the other guy's fault for clicking a suspicious YouTube link... Heh...)
So not necessarily all forms of trolling are negative. Just, some more then others.

 

That sounds more along the lines of pranking than trolling to be honest. And in fact, there is a difference, and in fact since we're using MLP now. Allow me to present the following:

 

Pranking:

 

 

 

Bullying:

 

 

Now more often than not, when people troll, which do they act more like? See what I mean.

 

Lets keep in mind everyone that this is a topic on bullying and while discussing trolling possibly being a form of bullying, lets also make sure it doesn't get out of or too off topic, but however this is an issue that needs to be addressed, because if it's true that trolling is closer to bullying, then we might have a serious problem on our hands.

[Dementuo]

mfw ignoring my post again

So then I guess I should at least give explanation to actual point of this topic.

Raiko claimed that I said "Bullying isn't a real problem". That isn't exactly accurate, though. I believe that "bullying" is just, for lack of a better word, an idealized teaching tool that is used to teach kids the difference between what is socially acceptable and what isn't. The actual act of bullying itself is just harassment.

Now, I live in a town that happens to lack the presence of that sort of harassment. Even if it does come up, it's nothing more than a simple insult or two. Everyone moves on without harm, no one cares. However, that's still not bullying, that's merely a half-assed attempt at harassment. When I think of bullying, I think of the idea that one kid is simply being mean towards another. That in itself is just a teaching tool, and even then the actual act of something so small and insignificant leaves no impact.

 

In all honesty, when it comes to situations where someone is actually damaged by what someone else has said, then that's harassment, not "Bullying".

 

Aaaanyways, I've done enough exposition. Now that the issue at hand (My views on bullying) has been more or less resolved, there's nothing more for me to say. And evidently, Raiko doesn't have anything to say to me either.