The Legend of Zelda

[antist0opid]

Zelda is definitely my favorite game series of ever. The game that got me into it was actually twilight princess, playing it for my first time in late 2011. Then after that all i played was zelda for the past 2 years. I've played maybe half of the games so far, (mostly the 3d ones and still hoping oracle games get a 3ds eshop release) and all of them are great in their own way. Majoras Mask is my favorite game of all time, and Wind Waker is my second favorite.

[Phantom Roxas]

The Oracle games are coming to the 3DS Virtual Console.

http://www.zeldadungeon.net/2013/02/oracle-of-seasonsages-releasing-on-japanese-3ds-vc/#more-61131

And with that, my rage over the PS4 has been quelled a little bit. It's going to be a while before we get them, but at least we are getting them.

[Kazooie]

It sure would be nice if they worked on that third version that was in development but was cancelled, even though it won't happen ;~;

 

but oracle games on virtual console is <3

[Phantom Roxas]

The third version would have to be drastically different in order to be a quality game on the 3DS that it might as well not matter. Besides, the games have a complete enough on their own, but they could make a game taking place after Link's Awakening where Farore is given special focus.

[Tentacruel]

Because the technological advances and advances in the complexity of gameplay make it a better game.

 

LttP does have an advantage over most games, like the original Ocarina of Time, where the graphics don't age as poorly, but LttP getting released now wouldn't be as great a game.

 

Don't get me wrong, I still think it's a great game.

 

The problem is that it's technologically aged. Video Games are all about technology; graphics, complexity, that's all part of it. Newer games have advanced so much further in that category than storytelling has.

 

In either case, what I'm trying to explain is basically summed up in this video:

There's a reason Jon deleted that video, that being it's complete bull****.  But I digress.

 

 

 

See, this game for instance, http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/aliens-colonial-marines is far more technically advanced and complex than this game

 

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/limbo

 

Guess which one is better.

[antist0opid]

People gotta stop trying to change other people's minds about what games they thinks is better. IMO both LttP and OoT are overrated, both fantastic games, but overrated.

[Tourmaline]

There's a reason Jon deleted that video, that being it's complete bull****. But I digress.



See, this game for instance, http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/aliens-colonial-marines is far more technically advanced and complex than this game

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/limbo


Guess which one is better.

Thank you for actually giving a logical response. Not very descriptive, but a hell of a lot more logical than what is essentially almost "graphics=quality or your nostalgia is just clouding your view."

[Nnoitra Jiruga]

I absolutely love this series.

The triumphant music while beating down on a boss in Twilight Princess is amazing :33

[Fusion X. Denver]

The first game from this series that I played was Twilight Princess and it was an awesome time...though I probably wouldn't have been able to get so far without the strategy guide.

That's my one hangup on LoZ, I always need a strategy guide to help me get through it. Though I am fully aware that's a fault on my end and not the game's.

I can't wait until I find time to play Skyward Sword and I'll get the new Wind Waker when that comes out.

[Nnoitra Jiruga]

Skyward sword is going to be great. But you'll definitely need  a strategy guide, I know I needed one @.@

[fire5038]

Game series is great. Ocarina of Time was the first one I had and I have been finding and playing others as the chance comes and Oot is still my favorite after 10 years. Sometimes you can't beat classics.

But I won't try and change anyone's mind.

[❤ Lovely Warrior ❤]

Ehh I was never all that big of a Zelda fan, but I did rather enjoy Majora's Mask and A Link to the Past.

[Cobax]

I think that everyone maybe aware the new Zelda game is coming out for the Wii u. I am going to be sad the. cuz I have buy another system if it is not going to be on the wii too. if it was going to be for the wii as while. then the controls will be the same as Skyward Sword. I mean. they did for twilight princess when it came out for the wii and made it for the gamecube. they also say(incase if u did not see the info for it) the forest temple in the new Zelda game will be the same size as Hyrule field from Ocarina of time and it will be broken in 3 parts.(imagine if they did the same thing for the water temple) cut ur way threw veins with the sword. the title as not been name yet. they also say the graphics u see in the tech demo thing somewhere in youtube is not the graphics u thought it was. they say, their sticking with the same graphics as Skyward sword.

[Phantom Roxas]

Of course it's not going to be on the Wii, because they have to keep moving on to the more powerful systems. While I liked the controls for Skyward Sword, others did not, and I think the Wii U would be fine. I don't know where you heard that the Forest Temple in that game would be that larger, although honestly, I think we've already had plenty of dungeons larger than Hyrule Field, we just couldn't tell because the dungeons were divided into different rooms. I've heard the "broken into three parts" rumor, but that's just it, a rumor. The dungeons will definitely take a long time to complete, that much is certain, and we've always known that the tech demo - which was shown at E3 and then a lot of people posted it on YouTube - would not be the art style used for Zelda Wii U, and it was merely meant to show the capabilities of the system.

[Phantom Roxas]

Also, dat Wind Waker Ganondorf.

Okay, it's time I argue against this.

Why is the most popular incarnation of Ganondorf from the Wind Waker? Because he's sympathetic? I mean, yes, but come on, his exact words are "I coveted that wind, I suppose." The "I suppose" suggests that he was reflecting on why he did what he did, and only just realized that he was nothing more than someone who was jealous. I mean, it's not hard to imagine he was already jealous, but taken those words at face value, he had accomplished his goal the moment he set foot into Hyrule, and earning the favor of the king made things even better for him. He just became consumed by greed, effectively bringing him back in line with every other incarnation of Ganondorf.

His only possible advantage over other Ganondorfs is that we have a reason to feel sorry for him, but it fails to excuse his actions throughout the game. Is it because he's badass? True, but keep in mind that in Ocarina of Time, he had conquered Hyrule, and in Twilight Princess, Zant worshipped him as if he were a god. He wanted revenge, which is arguably a far more complex reason than just being greedy, even if the only reason Ganondorf wanted revenge was because he was about to be executed because he was evil. You really expect me to feel sorry for some asshole who wanted to ruin Hyrule out of spite? Give me a break.

[Shradow]

Just because he used the word "suppose" doesn't mean he just made the excuse on the spot. He tried to take over the kingdom the old fashioned way, but obviously that didn't work and he had to swear fealty to the king, so he took to more evil methods and went after the Triforce (which I assume caused him to go power-hungry and made him destroy Hyrule instead of accomplishing his goal). Plus, being the incarnation of Demise's hatred sort of means he's gonna do something evil at one point or another anyways.

 

His goal was to get his people out of the desert where they had to steal to live and the desert winds brought nothing but death (so he coveted the nice winds and green land of Hyrule, and he worded it that way as a way to explain it to Link and Zelda simply). Not simply get to Hyrule himself. If you think he only wanted to ruin Hyrule out of spite and revenge you don't remember his monologue very well.

 

Freudian Excuses aren't meant to get them off from all their evildoings, but to add depth to the villian.

[Kazooie]

Okay, it's time I argue against this.

Why is the most popular incarnation of Ganondorf from the Wind Waker? Because he's sympathetic? I mean, yes, but come on, his exact words are "I coveted that wind, I suppose." The "I suppose" suggests that he was reflecting on why he did what he did, and only just realized that he was nothing more than someone who was jealous. I mean, it's not hard to imagine he was already jealous, but taken those words at face value, he had accomplished his goal the moment he set foot into Hyrule, and earning the favor of the king made things even better for him. He just became consumed by greed, effectively bringing him back in line with every other incarnation of Ganondorf.

His only possible advantage over other Ganondorfs is that we have a reason to feel sorry for him, but it fails to excuse his actions throughout the game. Is it because he's badass? True, but keep in mind that in Ocarina of Time, he had conquered Hyrule, and in Twilight Princess, Zant worshipped him as if he were a god. He wanted revenge, which is arguably a far more complex reason than just being greedy, even if the only reason Ganondorf wanted revenge was because he was about to be executed because he was evil. You really expect me to feel sorry for some asshole who wanted to ruin Hyrule out of spite? Give me a break.

 

I like him because he had a character. OoT Ganondorf was POWER HUNGRY GUY WHO TAKES OVER LAND.

 

TP Ganondorf really shouldn't have been in the game at all, considering how he was introduced so late and with no real character, plus there was no reason Zant couldn't have been the main villain.

 

Windwaker Ganondorf may have been greedy, but that was because he actually got a taste of what he wanted. He still wasn't a GREAT character, but he was certainly better then what we were getting before, considering he really did want to help his tribe get out of the desert.

 

Although I still don't really like Ganondorf much at all honestly. WW Ganondorf was only a bit better then mediocre.

[Phantom Roxas]

Just because he used the word "suppose" doesn't mean he just made the excuse on the spot. He tried to take over the kingdom the old fashioned way, but obviously that didn't work and he had to swear fealty to the king, so he took to more evil methods and went after the Triforce (which I assume caused him to go power-hungry and made him destroy Hyrule instead of accomplishing his goal). Plus, being the incarnation of Demise's hatred sort of means he's gonna do something evil at one point or another anyways.
 
His goal was to get his people out of the desert where they had to steal to live and the desert winds brought nothing but death (so he coveted the nice winds and green land of Hyrule, and he worded it that way as a way to explain it to Link and Zelda simply). Not simply get to Hyrule himself. If you think he only wanted to ruin Hyrule out of spite and revenge you don't remember his monologue very well.
 
Freudian Excuses aren't meant to get them off from all their evildoings, but to add depth to the villian.

See, I know Demise's curse was inevitably going to cause Ganondorf to be evil, but I wanted to ignore that for the sake of argument.

I'll admit that I don't remember his monologue very well, so I googled it, and I understand that he was doing it for the good of his own people, but what then? Could he not have shown the Gerudo that living among the people of Hyrule would allow them to move past their harsh way of life? I know he didn't say that he ruined Hyrule out of spite, but his speech only goes so far when you recall what he did in Ocarina of Time, in which case you wonder why he had to be so evil.

Wind Waker came out long before Skyward Sword, so people thought Ganondorf was at his best in The Wind Waker, so one has to wonder how people how explain his actions without considering how Demise fits into things. Why did he consider taking over Hyrule to be his way of saving his people? For reference, when he does take over Hyrule, he practically turns it into Hell, and there are Gerudo who don't wish to follow him.

I get that his envy was meant to add depth to his character, and that's fine. It's just that I don't get why people are acting like it makes Wind Waker Ganondorf so awesome.

I like him because he had a character. OoT Ganondorf was POWER HUNGRY GUY WHO TAKES OVER LAND.
 
TP Ganondorf really shouldn't have been in the game at all, considering how he was introduced so late and with no real character, plus there was no reason Zant couldn't have been the main villain.
 
Windwaker Ganondorf may have been greedy, but that was because he actually got a taste of what he wanted. He still wasn't a GREAT character, but he was certainly better then what we were getting before, considering he really did want to help his tribe get out of the desert.
 
Although I still don't really like Ganondorf much at all honestly. WW Ganondorf was only a bit better then mediocre.

Now, arguing that it makes Ganondorf a more complex character than in Ocarina of Time? That's fine, so I'm not going to argue with you on that.

Actually, when Link meets Zant after completing the Lakebed Temple, Zant outright says that he was given his powers by his god, so Ganondorf's role was foreshadowed. If anything, it makes sense to have Ganondorf play some kind of role, because at the end of Ocarina of Time, Ganondorf is still alive in the Child timeline, so that has to be resolved in some way. Yeah, it didn't have to be in Twilight Princess, but at least it did something with him.

[Shradow]

Like I said, the most likely explanation is that getting the Triforce of Power made him power crazy and caused him to destroy Hyrule instead.

 

As to why he tried to take over Hyrule initially, I can only assume its because, coming from a tribe of thieves, he had no other choice as the Hylians wouldn't have accepted them normally.

 

And it only made Wind Waker Ganondorf better to some people (like me) because that's just what we find enjoyable. If you don't think it makes him better, than that's your prerogative. I was just explaining his actions, I didn't go into why many people received them well. But for instance, I tend to like sympathetic villains because it makes them more likeable (in terms of coming off as less evil, even if just a bit) while usually not detracting from their badassery.

[Kazooie]

Now, arguing that it makes Ganondorf a more complex character than in Ocarina of Time? That's fine, so I'm not going to argue with you on that.

Actually, when Link meets Zant after completing the Lakebed Temple, Zant outright says that he was given his powers by his god, so Ganondorf's role was foreshadowed. If anything, it makes sense to have Ganondorf play some kind of role, because at the end of Ocarina of Time, Ganondorf is still alive in the Child timeline, so that has to be resolved in some way. Yeah, it didn't have to be in Twilight Princess, but at least it did something with him.

 

I know it wasn't just me, but having a completely new race, in a brand new game, with a villain we know nothing about, having him talk about his "god" doesn't really SCREAM Ganondorf. It could have been him being insane, since he clearly was. It didn't have to be Ganondorf, and throwing him in like that really kinda made the game feel kinda copout-y

 

They could have had an end to Ganondorf's life without randomly, and quite poorly, throwing him into a game that literally did not even hint that he was even remotely related to anything.

[Shradow]

I thought it hinted at him well enough.

 

Plus, the execution scene was epic, and I always like Ganondorf, so I was certainly happy.