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That's kind of why I loathe the metagame.  It's not the only thing that matters. 

 

 

 

If your going to use a pokemon in a battle stats and move pool is all that matters. And I'm not even thinking, Absol is SSSSOOOOOO bad in OU. When I say he isn't good I mean even by UU standards. He just can't take hits and outside of Sucker Punch will be hit before he hits back most of the time. Sure you can give it a Scarf but SSSSOOOOOO many pokemon are better with one than Absol.

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That's my point.

 

I don't care how Absol is in the OU, because it honestly has nothing to do with the actual game, nor the lore or universe.  

 

Also, the main reason I don't really play competitive that much is that the meta is broken to hell.  I don't like being restricted to 50 odd Pokemon.  

 

I wanna use Charizard. :(

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All the base attack power in existence won't help a Pokémon if their Speed is terrible and their defense is paper thin. I love absol as a Pokémon and his design is awesome, but unless X&Y give him more speed, moves, and/or defense then he's never gonna be a good idea to enter a tournament with.

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I guess I agree with Tenta, we all agree that Charizard is one of the coolest, and apparently no one uses Grass types, so I can't really use my Torterra, Venasaur, or Venasaur I got to Lv. 100 I lost with my Black. I never really cared for E.V.s though, but if there really is a whole place you can train them at, that'd be cool. Still never got where in that link it said the stuff was fake, but I could have just missed it or not gotten far enough before I stopped reading.

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[quote name="如月 新太郎" post="6203023" timestamp="1368840338"]I guess I agree with Tenta, we all agree that Charizard is one of the coolest, and apparently no one uses Grass types, so I can't really use my Torterra, Venasaur, or Venasaur I got to Lv. 100 I lost with my Black. I never really cared for E.V.s though, but if there really is a whole place you can train them at, that'd be cool. Still never got where in that link it said the stuff was fake, but I could have just missed it or not gotten far enough before I stopped reading.[/quote] At the very end. Reward to those who read the entire way.

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I guess I agree with Tenta, we all agree that Charizard is one of the coolest, and apparently no one uses Grass types, so I can't really use my Torterra, Venasaur, or Venasaur I got to Lv. 100 I lost with my Black. I never really cared for E.V.s though, but if there really is a whole place you can train them at, that'd be cool. Still never got where in that link it said the stuff was fake, but I could have just missed it or not gotten far enough before I stopped reading.

Venasaur is OU. Just saying.

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Right, and funny thing about that. When I saw the fake evo, I thought, "However a real evo would look, it doesn't look like I'd prefer that appearence wise, at least, over Absol." And I think pre-evos could work, just not really for Absol. Even I'd be bummed out if it actually happen, I might not get to see how an evo would really look, though. But it's solid enough anyway, so I wouldn't really care much. Makes sense, I don't know why I felt so defensive when thinking about it, I don't like any of the pre-evos made after the originals more than them. I'm kinda mixed really, because besides Tepigs evos I somehow don't care for, the fire starters final form always looked way cooler than the rest and I liked them more than the actual starters/first evos. And the waters I somehow just ultimately prefer the first forms. Not too bad when I can almost beat a Samurott in 1 hit with my Oshawott it Gates to Infinity... though I must admitt, all your Pokemon gaining exp. without batting no matter what was a horrible idea.

All in all, I think I'd probably mostly be against anything gaining a pre-evo from now on. It could help, but really, not that much, if anything.

Oh, I really did see it, my brother just closed the tab so fast (I got there later) I didn't actually catch it. Thanks.
 
 

 Venasaur is OU. Just saying.

Thanks too. I guess I'd probably use it in my first team if I ever take the time to try competitive some more. Well, I guess I barely even tried, my cousin does give me some ideas about it though.
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That's my point.

 

I don't care how Absol is in the OU, because it honestly has nothing to do with the actual game, nor the lore or universe.  

 

Also, the main reason I don't really play competitive that much is that the meta is broken to hell.  I don't like being restricted to 50 odd Pokemon.  

 

I wanna use Charizard. :(

 

 

 

 

You do know I said that I wasn't thinking about how it stands in competitive play. But it has everything to do with the actual game. The movepool and the stats is how the pokemon plays. It doens't matter how your playing but those two things is the center of playing a Pokemon game.

 

It isn't broken as hell. You can argue that OU shouldn't have rain or what have you, but the very nature of any game says that some pieces will be better than others. When you have no restrictions on what to use your just going to use what ever the best pieces are that fit best with how you like to play. Its honestly the same as a TCG. Not to mention Pokemon has Ubers, OU, UU, and NU. If you can't find a dozen pokemon you would want to play in any given tier than I don't know what to say.

 

 

 

In fact, I think Game Freak should consider actually tweaking some base stats. 

 

They'd have to be extremely cautious, but I think the whole thing needs re-balancing.

 

 

 

I think the base stats are fine as is. We have a huge range of numbers that stats can fall into. I'm curious what you think is wrong with the system.

 

 

 

 

 

I guess I agree with Tenta, we all agree that Charizard is one of the coolest, and apparently no one uses Grass types, so I can't really use my Torterra, Venasaur, or Venasaur I got to Lv. 100 I lost with my Black. I never really cared for E.V.s though, but if there really is a whole place you can train them at, that'd be cool. Still never got where in that link it said the stuff was fake, but I could have just missed it or not gotten far enough before I stopped reading.

 

 

 

The OU Grass pokemon currently are Breloom, Celebi, Ferrothorn, and Venusaur. And with Ferro as one of the best pokemon in general this gen Grass has a lot going for it. I know Gen 4 had a bunch of areas that were great for training certain stats. Like one fisherman who had 2 Gyarados meaning with Pokerus and the Power items you would get 24 ATK EV per battle meaning your gaining the full 255 EVs (and 63 extra points) in 11 battles with him.

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The OU Grass pokemon currently are Breloom, Celebi, Ferrothorn, and Venusaur. And with Ferro as one of the best pokemon in general this gen Grass has a lot going for it. I know Gen 4 had a bunch of areas that were great for training certain stats. Like one fisherman who had 2 Gyarados meaning with Pokerus and the Power items you would get 24 ATK EV per battle meaning your gaining the full 255 EVs (and 63 extra points) in 11 battles with him.

I got that "No one uses Grass Pokemon" thing when I was using Venasuar, but I did know about the others. That's the only reason it had to be pointed out to me, I guess. Wasn't really mentioned to me until now, but I guess learning anything is pretty neat.

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Eh, I suppose it's too volatile.  Everything hits too hard, with not enough room for tanking.

 

And again, it's become too much of a pyramid, with too small of a minority of Pokemon being viable for competitive play. 

 

 

Again, Ferrothorn is one of the best pokemon in OU, and its a pure tank. Of the 52 pokemon in OU like 1/5 are defensive, maybe even 1/4.

 

Every competitive game is going to have a pyramid. Again, look at any TCG. Not to mention, a lot of pokemon actually are competitive. We have 649 pokemon, and of that 98 are either in ubers, OU, or borderline for OU. Thats already 1/7 and that isn't bad. However when you look at only fully evolved pokemon the ratio changes with 250 pokemon fall out of the counte, putting us at 1/4 of all pokemon (100/400) being higher than UU. 

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Every competitive game is going to have a pyramid. Again, look at any TCG. Not to mention, a lot of pokemon actually are competitive. We have 649 pokemon, and of that 98 are either in ubers, OU, or borderline for OU. Thats already 1/7 and that isn't bad. However when you look at only fully evolved pokemon the ratio changes with 250 pokemon fall out of the counte, putting us at 1/4 of all pokemon (100/400) being higher than UU. 

 

And even then, if you want to use some of those less viable Pokemon, lower tiers exist for a reason, so very few Pokemon are actually useless in the metagame.

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And even then, if you want to use some of those less viable Pokemon, lower tiers exist for a reason, so very few Pokemon are actually useless in the metagame.

 

 

Exactly. We have Uber, OU, UU, RU, and NU. As I said before, if you can't find a dozen pokemon per tier that you would want to use than I don't know what to say.

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You can actually use Pokemon in lower tiers to great success if done well in higher tiers. I think Hitmonlee can actually do alright, given the popular Normal Gem set. And I've used Sableye to delightful success in OU. Not to mention Feraligatr, who can use Dragon Dance and actually becomes a better Gyarados, I feel, because his ability is more useful and has the ability to play a niche role in OU. I'm thinking people would prefer Moxie, though that's less of immediate power and more of hoping the guy doesn't switch out to some Rotom form.

 

 

 

The niche roles are always so great.

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You can actually use Pokemon in lower tiers to great success if done well in higher tiers. I think Hitmonlee can actually do alright, given the popular Normal Gem set. And I've used Sableye to delightful success in OU. Not to mention Feraligatr, who can use Dragon Dance and actually becomes a better Gyarados, I feel, because his ability is more useful and has the ability to play a niche role in OU. I'm thinking people would prefer Moxie, though that's less of immediate power and more of hoping the guy doesn't switch out to some Rotom form.

 

 

 

The niche roles are always so great.

 

She's right.

 

It's not about "X pokemon is meta so I can throw it on my team", it's a team game.  Usually, the top players end up building a core around a single pokemon- and cover that pokemon's weaknesses with the other five, through tanks, support, and coverage.  Any pokemon can be good on a team- whether or not you need Shell Pass to do it, however, decides how well it will work in the environment, if you get what I mean.

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She's right.

 

It's not about "X pokemon is meta so I can throw it on my team", it's a team game.  Usually, the top players end up building a core around a single pokemon- and cover that pokemon's weaknesses with the other five, through tanks, support, and coverage.  Any pokemon can be good on a team- whether or not you need Shell Pass to do it, however, decides how well it will work in the environment, if you get what I mean.

 

 

This is debatable. In much the same way any deck can win in a TCG the path of least resistance is generally the best one to take. This is why you don't see pokemon that are in the UU and lower tier often in OU. Sure my Belly Drum Charizard can win matches, but I have tons of better choice for set up sweepers. Don't get me wrong, you CAN use them to good effect (I've used Heracross to good effect when he was a bottom OU pokemon back in gen 4) but some are better than others and most of the time its going to be harder than if you just used an OU pokemon.

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I see a whole load of non-OU pokemon in OU but to be fair your best shout is always when you use a team of OU pokemon or 5 OU pokemon and a supporter like Sableye/Ninjask or whatever. To be honest Flame Dragon is right and it's pretty hard to win an OU battle with UU pokemon.

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So your reason for deciding our opinion (or outlook) is faulty is that, since it's unconventional and you haven't read that a lower tier Pokemon has "OU" next to it, it is immediately an inferior choice to anything that is in OU?

I just want to know so that I can see if your point is completely unintelligent and to stop any misinterpretation.

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No no no, it's all personal preference.  I'm not saying anyone's outlook is faulty.  

 

I just don't like the state of the meta.  My main gripe being that there's too large of a gap in-between the top tier Pokemon and everything else.   

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So your reason for deciding our opinion (or outlook) is faulty is that, since it's unconventional and you haven't read that a lower tier Pokemon has "OU" next to it, it is immediately an inferior choice to anything that is in OU?

I just want to know so that I can see if your point is completely unintelligent and to stop any misinterpretation.

 

 

 

I don't think your opinion is faulty. It is possible to use UU pokemon is UU, you just need a good reason. Snorlax is a fine pokemon, but if you just want a special wall Blissy is the better choice. However Snorlax can do things that Blissy can't. Machamp's No Guard DynamicPunch but in general Conkeldurr is an over all better Fighting type. Again, if you want to use a UU pokemon you need to use it because what it does for your team can't be done by the more conventional choice. 

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I was actually talking to the moderator.
I'm trying to say that you don't have to use Pokemon deemed worthy for OU to use lower tier Pokemon to more efficiency than what you would find in OU. My example is Gyarados, which I found to actually be a superior Gyarados if you use it well. And Hitmonlee is great as hell. Do you knot what Hitmonlee does, anyway? Fake Out is fantastic.

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I don't think your opinion is faulty. It is possible to use UU pokemon is UU, you just need a good reason. Snorlax is a fine pokemon, but if you just want a special wall Blissy is the better choice. However Snorlax can do things that Blissy can't. Machamp's No Guard DynamicPunch but in general Conkeldurr is an over all better Fighting type. Again, if you want to use a UU pokemon you need to use it because what it does for your team can't be done by the more conventional choice. 

 

Hmm, I thought Machamp was OU o.O Wonder what made me think that.

Snorlax is pretty inferior to Blissey because there's not much it can do that Blissey can't that can't be done by other pokemon. But you're right, a pokemon that isn't OU isn't OU for a reason - there's something OU that's better than it.

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