Agro Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 [center]Let's talk about it.[/center] [center]What you like. What you don't like.[/center] [center]Whether you think the next big decks are going to make an impact (since I don't see them doing as much as expected in the OCG... besides Evilswarm).[/center] [center]The general state of the metagame today.[/center] [center]Everything. This is a general Meta discussion thread.[/center] [center]Also, for those who are just trying to get into the competitive scene and don't know what they should be doing to prepare for it.[/center] [center]Go.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 The format is nice,but i dont like all the problems it still has,from wind ups OTKing or soft locking,or mermails +ing for every card they use,or heroes dropping 4000 atk beatsticks out of nowhere,or chaos dragons dropping BLS/DAD,and other stuff. Phantom beast planes look pretty promising,might be a nice tier 2 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 We're seeing HEROs and Chaos Dragons do stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guuu1234 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Since you said "those who are just trying to get into the competitive scene", I take it this is for me. I want to learn more about the current state of the Meta, but I'm not that good at the game overall. Like I have no real idea what the top decks currently are in the OCG, and which ones are projected to be the top decks in the near future. The only thing I can say is how backrow oriented the current meta is. It seems like people aren't dedicated to a backrow that they either can't use instantly, or can't protect completely. I think this is just one small (and probably insignificant) example of how I hope the game is coming more control based, and not OTK based (thought mermails like to disagree with that statement). SO yeah, I'm really here to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1357284291' post='6110776'] We're seeing HEROs and Chaos Dragons do stuff? [/quote] The OCG is,though not much for chaos dragos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1357285335' post='6110787'] The OCG is,though not much for chaos dragos [/quote]I haven't seen them do anything in big tournaments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Expect Fire Fists to make a pretty heavy impact on the TCG and it's standing out more in the OCG. Expect Fire Kings to be the cheap cash deck and will see play, but the play style...isn't as up to speed as I thought it would be, but perhaps I'm not seeing something other than Ninja King Phoenix. Play wise, I don't like "OTK" vs. "OTK", probably 1 good reason why I like Fire Fists so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guuu1234 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 I expect Fire Fists to be a "win game 1" kind of deck, then they lose off to sides like DW . . . or am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 [quote name='guuu1234' timestamp='1357314841' post='6110974'] I expect Fire Fists to be a "win game 1" kind of deck, then they lose off to sides like DW . . . or am I missing something? [/quote] You're missing a lot of things. Fire Fists are pretty flexible and can recover fairly quickly. Not only that, but game 2 and 3 usually has "Rivalry" and/or "Gozen" in it's name. Vs. Dark Worlds, expect a teched Tenken and/or a long and grueling battle unless they do Shadow Imprisonings (which they shouldn't be doing) or a lot of 1-4-1 plays with Ensho and Yushi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 And DW got 33 showings at the 4XX showing tourney,as many as mermails,so apparantely side decks dont kill things so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guuu1234 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 [quote name='Chance T-Bone Furlong' timestamp='1357315290' post='6110981'] You're missing a lot of things. Fire Fists are pretty flexible and can recover fairly quickly. Not only that, but game 2 and 3 usually has "Rivalry" and/or "Gozen" in it's name. Vs. Dark Worlds, expect a teched Tenken and/or a long and grueling battle unless they do Shadow Imprisonings (which they shouldn't be doing) or a lot of 1-4-1 plays with Ensho and Yushi. [/quote]Oh. Tbh I have only dueled a genuine Fire Fist deck only a few times,so I don't know much about them myself. I just figured a few extra Dust Tornadoes (or similar sides), macro, soul drain, crow/maxx c/veiler, etc etc would be enough to shut them down.[quote name='Chance T-Bone Furlong' timestamp='1357315290' post='6110981'] You're missing a lot of things. Fire Fists are pretty flexible and can recover fairly quickly. Not only that, but game 2 and 3 usually has "Rivalry" and/or "Gozen" in it's name. Vs. Dark Worlds, expect a teched Tenken and/or a long and grueling battle unless they do Shadow Imprisonings (which they shouldn't be doing) or a lot of 1-4-1 plays with Ensho and Yushi. [/quote]Oh. Tbh I have only dueled a genuine Fire Fist deck only a few times,so I don't know much about them myself. I just figured a few extra Dust Tornadoes (or similar sides), macro, soul drain, crow/maxx c/veiler, etc etc would be enough to shut them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 I'm going to try and get into the competitive seen. Like if I can some how make it to YCS Miami I will but before that I actually need to make a competitive Deck. That and I need to get some real card experience. Anyways...........Well, Merlans haven't gotten 1st yet I believe (could be wrong). I am happy about that though. The deck as a whole is a + within a + while saying it's a minus if that makes any sense. Dark Worlds do seem to be below the radar but have made a few leaps here and there. (Refering to the TCG not OCG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guuu1234 Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 EDIT: Freakin Double Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 [center]S/T Removal vs. Fire Fists can usually be useless against them if they open up a Chicken Chowder combo, Synchro for Horse Prince and Special Summon this in DEF mode:[/center] [center][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121214005130/yugioh/images/0/05/BrotherhoodoftheFireFistRaven-CBLZ-EN-OP.png[/img][/center] [center][quote name='Fire Fist Raven' post='6110994'][/center] [center][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)]If this card is [/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Send"]sent[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)] from the [/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Playing_Field"]field[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)] to the [/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Graveyard"]Graveyard[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)]: You can [/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Set"]Set[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)] 1 "[/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Fire_Formation"]Fire Formation[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)]" [/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Spell_Card"]Spell Card[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)] directly from your [/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Deck"]Deck[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)]. [/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Face-up"]Face-up[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)] "Fire Formation" Spell/[/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Trap_Card"]Trap Cards[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)] you [/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Control"]control[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)] cannot be [/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Destroy"]destroyed[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)] by your opponent's[/background][/size][/font][/color][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_effect"]card effects[/url][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=2][background=rgb(253, 253, 253)].[/background][/size][/font][/color][/center] [center][/quote][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Fire Fists are overrated imo. They're stupid in many cases, yes, but they've had issues in the OCG. I just can't wait for Verz~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1357317575' post='6111013'] Fire Fists are overrated imo. They're stupid in many cases, yes, but they've had issues in the OCG. [/quote] To some extent...I guess they are. [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1357317575' post='6111013'] I just can't wait for Verz~ [/quote] Likewise, although I'm hoping to see a few Constellars make their way up and/or match up against Verz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Fire Fists aren't going to be nearly as good as they are in the OCG because we won't have Chicken or Wolfberk for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 This format is 100x better than the previous format, with Dino Rabbit, Inzektors, and Wind-Ups. Still, I'm finding it to be more of a hold-over format until March 2013; right now, there's so many new archetypes coming out, Heraldic Beasts, Fire Fists, Fire Kings, Prophecies (who haven't even had a chance to do anything at all yet), Constellars, Evilswarm, and even Gem-Knights. I think the next format will be even more diverse than this one, but with a lot less broken cards. Wind-Ups will definitely be de-throned as the best Deck in the game and something will step up to take its place, but not right away. Dino Rabbit will get some kind of limit as well. Konami logic suggests a hit of some kind to Macro Cosmos, though I don't think that's necessary at all. Either way, there are so many new Decks on the horizon that this Meta hasn't really been all that "exciting" at all. It's diverse, sure, but it's lackluster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Fire Fists are just the new version of T.G.s. They can do well if no one really expects them, but a prepared format can deal with them relatively well. And of course they have the regular T.G. syndrome of being boring as f***. Although, they are actually more resilient than T.G.s Oh and side decks aren't really the best argument vs decks like DWs, since the deck doesn't play the same games 1, 2 or 3, and a good pilot knows what to change the deck to each game. Overall, though, I like the meta. Merlanteans can be kinda annoying if they open well, and they can also be annoying since the bad players insist on summoning Moulinglacia against DWs... Still, the meta seems fine to me so far, maybe a few too many OTKs and locks though, that would be nice if they were gone. I can't see Konami even wanting to hit much if anything in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 [quote name='Borderline Unplayable' timestamp='1357322649' post='6111067'] Fire Fists are just the new version of T.G.s. They can do well if no one really expects them, but a prepared format can deal with them relatively well. And of course they have the regular T.G. syndrome of being boring as f***. Although, they are actually more resilient than T.G.s Oh and side decks aren't really the best argument vs decks like DWs, since the deck doesn't play the same games 1, 2 or 3, and a good pilot knows what to change the deck to each game. Overall, though, I like the meta. Merlanteans can be kinda annoying if they open well, and they can also be annoying since the bad players insist on summoning Moulinglacia against DWs... Still, the meta seems fine to me so far, maybe a few too many OTKs and locks though, that would be nice if they were gone. I can't see Konami even wanting to hit much if anything in March. [/quote] Shark/Magician? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Those are really the only things I've felt they'd be considering so far. idk maybe Merlanteans are more bork than I thought too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 [quote name='Borderline Unplayable' timestamp='1357323110' post='6111073'] Those are really the only things I've felt they'd be considering so far. idk maybe Merlanteans are more bork than I thought too. [/quote] I hope they hit something with Merlanteans, but I don't really know what you'd hit since nothing is inherently broken on its own, it's just the way they work together. The best guess (and this is based on what they've had a tendency to do in the past) is that they'll hit Abyss-Sphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Atlanteans are natural bad design, given how they are literally DESIGNED to dodge costs. They're like more explosive and speedy Sinister Serpents. I'd say Dragoons is one of the worst examples of card design in the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 [quote name='Josh Black' timestamp='1357323498' post='6111076'] Atlanteans are natural bad design, given how they are literally DESIGNED to dodge costs. They're like more explosive and speedy Sinister Serpents. I'd say Dragoons is one of the worst examples of card design in the bunch. [/quote] Oh, don't get me wrong, the design is terrible; but can you actually say any of them are broken on their own? If so, it's hard to pinpoint which one actually deserves to be hit the most. That's where I was coming from with that argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Dragoon. It's a search in the form of a Sinister Serpent-esque design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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