Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 the particular owner matters very little. i think i only even mentioned konami once by name. ANY owner of ANY production company is gonna have to operate the same way, because the laws are the same for everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 That doesn't mean that they would make the same decisions though, Konami is known for making faulty buisness moves sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 you dont understand. this is a LEGAL thing. theres not much of an actual decision to make at all. you follow their rules, or you dont air the show. period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I am talking about the fact that they decide if they want to make the cards into real cards, noone can tell them that they can't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 also i looked this up because i really wasnt sure of it, but starting in 2012 konami became the license holder for the yu-gi-oh anime in the western market after 4kids was sued. so yes they do have some stake in it now. tv tokyo is a tv station and doesnt "own" anything related to yu-gi-oh, except for syndication rights probably which many people hold. regardless this is getting past the point of this topic, which is cards from the show being made real. its not gonna happen. i think weve covered that pretty thoroughly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest - Neo - Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 As a student majoring in finance/marketing, I can say with confidence that you don't understand how the business process works. You can't just throw everything out there to appease people. If Konami followed the "business advice" of its playerbase, every good card would be common, booster packs wouldn't sell, ratings would decline, and they'd be bankrupt faster than you can eat a Twinkie. You're not grasping the difference between anime & tcg. The two are unrelated; you don't need the tcg to have the anime and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 As a student majoring in finance/marketing, I can say with confidence that you don't understand how the business process works. You can't just throw everything out there to appease people. If Konami followed the "business advice" of its playerbase, every good card would be common, booster packs wouldn't sell, ratings would decline, and they'd be bankrupt faster than you can eat a Twinkie. You're not grasping the difference between anime & tcg. The two are unrelated; you don't need the tcg to have the anime and vice versa. exactly. they are tangentially related in that a lot of the same people work on both of them but outside of that they are two different products. thats a much easier way of explaining it than ive been trying to do. thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 As a student majoring in finance/marketing, I can say with confidence that you don't understand how the business process works. You can't just throw everything out there to appease people. If Konami followed the "business advice" of its playerbase, every good card would be common, booster packs wouldn't sell, ratings would decline, and they'd be bankrupt faster than you can eat a Twinkie. You're not grasping the difference between anime & tcg. The two are unrelated; you don't need the tcg to have the anime and vice versa.I ain't saying that either. Same with Pokémon, it would still sell if they didn't have the anime, it just sells better because of it, which is why you want to include such things as new cards for people to buy. It may not be the funest thing to watch shoving cards into our face, but it's what makes the most sense for them to do. Now you may say, "well then people won't watch the show!" I'm sorry, but why do people watch the show again? It's clearly not for it amazing story, and if anyone says that, I will laugh, and I will laugh hard. I know they are not made by the same people, the same people who draw the art, who write the cards, who anime the cartoon, who make the games, of course not the same people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I ain't saying that either. Same with Pokémon, it would still sell if they didn't have the anime, it just sells better because of it, which is why you want to include such things as new cards for people to buy. It may not be the funest thing to watch shoving cards into our face, but it's what makes the most sense for them to do. Now you may say, "well then people won't watch the show!" I'm sorry, but why do people watch the show again? It's clearly not for it amazing story, and if anyone says that, I will laugh, and I will laugh hard.You obviously have no clue about the anime. Just because you don't watch it for the plot doesn't mean others don't. This entire post is the reason you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 and as ive said multiple times, they cant do that because then theyre not allowed to air. they have to find a middle ground between "advertising" and "not getting in trouble" and this is it. and honestly it works. the anime are fun in their own goofy campy way and they all do very well in viewing numbers. its clearly working out for everybody here. just leave it be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 and as ive said multiple times, they cant do that because then theyre not allowed to air. they have to find a middle ground between "advertising" and "not getting in trouble" and this is it.This isn't exactly on topic, but to be clear, this is false. TV Tokyo and Shueisha do not care about the US/international market at all. Any money they make off of it is a drop in the bucket, and they have neither any desire nor any reason to provide a product that appeals to or conforms to the regulations of that market at all. They never have and they probably never will. because they dont wanna put too much money in it or else they dont make it back. theres enough overarching plot to hook people and dodge fcc advertisement regulations. nothing more.Also wrong, although this doesn't matter either. These shows have a good deal of money sunk into them. Duel Monsters, GX, 5D's, and Zexal are all very technically advanced. Moreso than say, Naruto or Bleach, for example. I ain't saying that either. Same with Pokémon, it would still sell if they didn't have the anime, it just sells better because of it, which is why you want to include such things as new cards for people to buy. It may not be the funest thing to watch shoving cards into our face, but it's what makes the most sense for them to do. Now you may say, "well then people won't watch the show!" I'm sorry, but why do people watch the show again? It's clearly not for it amazing story, and if anyone says that, I will laugh, and I will laugh hard.Tron is also laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I think Dr. Cake owned this topic in his posts. It's upto Konami what they do and don't release from the anime and MANGA card pools and quite often they add loads of extra cards to the OCG for support. Either edit your title or start refering to the anime, because as someone who owns all the manga I get annoyed. That and the Anime does have a plot, not as good as the manga mind you, which had to be hacked to allow it to air (they couldn't use the scene where Yami No Bakura stabs himself in the arm (although Ryou clearly has a injury from said wound in the anime), or where he gorges Pegasus' eye out and proceeds to lap up the blood). So stop saying the anime has no plots because people do watch the anime for the plot. And remember the anime wasn't always about the damn card game....it was better before the card game ever took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I said the plot sucks, maybe not directly, but I didn't say that it didn't have any, as I pointed out I for some reason remember that guy with the Ojama being imporatant. I also won't change the title just because you are offended that something you like is being hated on. I should say that I also read the first manga series, and it's not as bad as the anime in terms of that, though excluding it to the anime would not be fair for people who agree that the manga is also doing this. Anyways, in terms of the legalness (not a word probably) it doens't really matter, it's not the point of this discussion, the point is that I am confused about their buisnessplan, and while you may defend it by saying that it's not all it's about, you got to remember that it takes money to make money, and if they don't make enough money (which I'm sure they will do anyways, I'm just saying) they won't even release the anime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 1) The plot may suck to you, because you've never actually watched a full series. You admitted to dipping in and out. Therefore you're not qualified to say the plot sucks. If you'd actually watched the series you'd have understood why Manjoume was 'important', he was Judai's rival.2) You're not hating on, you've just neglected to use it as part of your argument. You've never mentioned it beyond the title.3) The first series manga barely touched on the game it featured maybe 3 times and even then they were all Kaiba ones. The anime doubled that with the introduction of Kaiba's game masters and the 'wicked' triplets, but as a whole probably less than 1/3rd was dedicated to Monsters and Wizards/Duel Monsters. Basically because the first 'series' exists it means that you cannot use the argument that the anime/manga was entirely BECAUSE of the card games. I could phyiscally break down the contents of the first series if you really want me to. Basically the anime/manga creators make money from the franchise (operating under the umbrella, but not actually owning it) to Konami, and other distributors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 1) The plot may suck to you, because you've never actually watched a full series. You admitted to dipping in and out. Therefore you're not qualified to say the plot sucks. If you'd actually watched the series you'd have understood why Manjoume was 'important', he was Judai's rival. Well duh, he is emo and Judai or what ever his name was. hates him, of course he is his rival, though that's not valid. I know you're just gonna say, it's not the same! But I'm not sitting down to watch all the prequels when I have watched tone of them halfway through and said "no I don't like this". You can't say that becasue I didn't watch it all, I don't have the point in it not being for me. If something sucks, why would you want to watch all of it? And the anime has good moments, though I will say that A LOT of it is filler and plot that doesn't make any sense. Though, of course, having an opinion is wrong, so what the hell do I know?2) You're not hating on, you've just neglected to use it as part of your argument. You've never mentioned it beyond the title. As said, I mentioend it because if I didn't some might think I'm just nagging down on the anime, because I don't like it. Just because I didn't mention it (which I was gonna do in my little "story" but I didn't really feel like cause it would sound weird to have the same guy be the one for manga too, though it really doesn't matter, and I probably should have) doens't mean that it isn't something that should be brought up.3) The first series manga barely touched on the game it featured maybe 3 times and even then they were all Kaiba ones. The anime doubled that with the introduction of Kaiba's game masters and the 'wicked' triplets, but as a whole probably less than 1/3rd was dedicated to Monsters and Wizards/Duel Monsters. Basically because the first 'series' exists it means that you cannot use the argument that the anime/manga was entirely BECAUSE of the card games. I could phyiscally break down the contents of the first series if you really want me to. Look, we're talking about the card game here, which is why I said in the first post that it might need to be in TCG instead of anime and manga, so anything before or any stupid dice game, (Which is actually quite fun, have you played the GBA game? It's pretty cool) is not anything valid here, and you may say that the card game wouldn't have existed without the weird stuff you are talking about, though the popularity of the card game should just make them go like "hey this is doing well, time to make money of it by promoting the cards in the anime and manga" and not be like, "let's continue with the weird figure things (I guess, I don't really know much about that stuff) because that's not gaining attention!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 1) Manjoume is NOT an emo, makes me think you've seen to what 24 when he is reborn as Manjoume Thunder. Judai doesn't hate him, Manjoume hated him (later on he actually does Judai's Gotcha after OTK'ing a zombie). No one hates anyone really in GX. My argument was you insult people earlier that liked the anime/manga.3) The dice game is actually in a different series to the original so you've lost me there. I admit I don't quite understand why the manga/anime moved from dipping into many games from singular games maybe it's direction was ditacted by Bandai/Konami, publisher or editor, but that is why Series 1/2 is called Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters and not as Yu-Gi-Oh, but you cannot say the anime/manga originated as a result of the card game.Konami can release whatever the hell they want so why should the anime/manga dictate what is played in the TCG/OCG. Imagine if the anime/manga stuck to only releaseable cards, how boring would that be? and vise versa how much editting would Konami have to do to release all the anime/manga cards.How many cards have been released and then years later appeared in the anime, for examples Fubuki's Red Eyes Black Dragon, Mr T's Meteor Black Dragon? and Yu-Gi-Oh R to me seemed to showcase alot of older cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 You got really offeneded that I made fun of an anime character, I wonder what other animes you watch so I can make fun of them too... just kidding, but really all I remember is he being a whiny little b****.Anyways, I don't think there's too much else to add here, so close this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Lets agree to disgree, because this is gonna die the death of a thousand qualifications eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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