Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 This is something I have been confused about for a while, so let's take a deap breath, and dive into the magicly world of Konami "Hey boss, what about we make Anime for our card game! Wouldn't that be a great idea? That way we could promote the newest cards, and introduce new special cards never before seen!""Now why that sounds like a great idea, here have a promotion. You're now the head writer and director of the offcial Yu-Gi-Oh! Animed Series!""Wow, thanks boss, I sure won't screw it up with dumb filler spinoffs episodes because the manga totaly didn't have that!" (seriously though)*some years later*"Hey boss, the anime is doing great! The kids love it, and are waiting for the new cards to come out.""Ah, I see, let me take a look. Hm, aha, oh is that so. So how exactly do you except us to include a Game Show in our little silly paperthin card game again? It's quite awesome, but it's impossible to actually accomplish.""Oh well that's okay, we got some other cards that would make perfect sense on a normal card"."Let me see... oh why make that card, it's pefectly fine as it is, no need for it to be balanced, and could work well for the professionals. Let's scrap that and instead make cards based around being able to do push-ups!" So you see what I mean, I don't get it, why would they keep making cards that will never see the light of day, but keep others that easily could be locked up in the anime forever? I thought the purpose of the anime was to make money by promoting the cards, but instead they make new cards that we will never see. It's cool and all, but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Am I the only one who agrees with this? Also, not sure if this should be in Anime and Manga or TCG :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STVB Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 yeah i dont get this either, there were some cards i saw in the first gen anime that i watched that only existed theyre and i was thinking the whole time "why arent these real"? konami logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Well actually the card game 'Monsters and Wizards' wasn't the main focus originally in the anime and manga. In the manga it was very brief taking backseat Kaiba's many attempts to murder the main cast even employing a known serial killer (which trumps any of the anime and manga that follows). In the anime it was more common, but still not the main game although it featured more often than most, mainly Yugi vs Kaiba matches (or associates of Kaiba), Yami No Game/Darkness Games were the main feature in both versions. If that was really the theory at the time Toei's studios stopped producing Yu-Gi-Oh, that doesn't explain why the Red Eyes film was pulled from airing outside Japan, when the whole film was about Duel Monsters. I would exclude the manga from mentions about showcasing cards as a high percentage of cards never made it to actual production like the Planets, however there were big exceptions such as Manjoume's spirit card of Light and Darkness Dragon. I'd love to have seen Sho's Solidroids make it to the card game. You've wholely missed out the manga really which was ahead of the anime at all times....even when they caught up and had to add the whole Dartz saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 You can't really say that after they have made like 5 different animes now, they should be making the animes to promote for the cards, otherwise nobody would agree to make it about riding motorcycles. Even though that is still stupid as it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Not sure what you mean, considering the anime does promote cards. Just because it doesn't promote all of them, or the ones we would like mean otherwise. Also, the main purpose of the anime is not to promote individual cards, but the card game itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Not sure what you mean, considering the anime does promote cards. Just because it doesn't promote all of them, or the ones we would like mean otherwise. Also, the main purpose of the anime is not to promote individual cards, but the card game itself.I am saying that the keep making cards for the anime that will never exist, and well if you are making a product that costs money, you also want to make some money off of that, so it would make sense to make merch, I mean why make some Transformers in the anime if you weren't gonna make them in real life? You see where I am getting at. Also, of coure it's to promote the game isself, but really the anime has never been too "noobie" friendly, if you don't know anything about the game, you probably won't care to watch it too much, which why it's more targeted towards fans of the game, and they can see that and be like hey that's cool I want to buy Heroes or what ever (I know that for a fact since everybody was crazy with Heroes for a while) so that would make most sense for their main reason for making the anime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Have you not noticed how broken alot of the anime/manga cards actually are, I mean for example E-Hero Flame Wingman had to be tweaked for the OCG/TCG, but later in the anime series Asuka still refers to the fact Judai could have monster reborned it (as it can be summoned through that method in the anime) and defeated Manjoume in episode 4. Why release the cards for character/deck no one will ever remember? Using GX once again because it's fresh in the memory for example they release none of David Rabb's deck (one of those controlled by Trageodia remembered mainly for being defeated by Fubuki then so angered by the memory he OTKed Asuka) bar Saturn, McKenzie (the head of the American DA's daughter) was far luckily in her treatment as alot game out as Promos, in Structure Decks or Limited Edition packs. Some card just don't have a place for being in the real world or belong to a minor character no one would remember much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Which is why they never should make them in the first place, the game works without making those cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest - Neo - Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Which is why they never should make them in the first place, the game works without making those cards. Exactly, but you're not taking into account the fact that the show also has to entertain; if the main cast just played a bunch of Tier 1 Decks eventually the show would get boring and there wouldn't be much of a plot point and/or interest in the show itself. They have to keep things fresh. As much as I enjoy ZeXal, I wouldn't want to sit and watch the show if Yuma used Dino Rabbit against all of his opponent's Tier 2 or lower Decks and squashed them in every game. Anime =/= TCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 also consider that in america at least there are laws regulating childrens shows that contain real products, like this. notice how in the original japanese the cards actually have effect text under them but not in the dub? thats because of fcc regulation. the whole shadow realm thing is that too, in the original they just died. im not saying that its entirely the reason some cards arent printed, because obviously japan gets the episodes first and the reasons people have already mentioned, but its likely a contributing factor. its just easier for everyone for the anime to have cards that dont and wont ever exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Exactly, but you're not taking into account the fact that the show also has to entertain; if the main cast just played a bunch of Tier 1 Decks eventually the show would get boring and there wouldn't be much of a plot point and/or interest in the show itself. They have to keep things fresh. As much as I enjoy ZeXal, I wouldn't want to sit and watch the show if Yuma used Dino Rabbit against all of his opponent's Tier 2 or lower Decks and squashed them in every game. Anime =/= TCG.As I said, the Anime is (meaning what Konami would most want to hear about it) about promoting cards so people will buy them. Of course it's still suppose to entertain (which believe me, I don't watch the new stuff simply because I can't be bothered with the stupid motercycle crap). And, as you said, it would not be fun to watch them play Dino Rabits or what ever, what I mean is that it should promote the new archetypes and show that they're awesome and that you should buy them! That would make the most sense in a buisness standpoint. "its just easier for everyone for the anime to have cards that dont and wont ever exist." of course it is, but it's not what makes Konami cash, and well Konami also happens to make the video games, and well, it's a cash cow with bad gameplay so you know that they are just out for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 except as i literally said they cant be too obvious about the advertising due to american laws or else the show doesnt air at all and then they lose way more. not to mention it at least promotes somewhat better writing. a lot of duels become less exciting if its "nyaha! i, evil bad guy, am about to play my ultimate card!" "uhhh, solemn judgement lmao". thats boring and no one would watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I'm actually surprised anyone watches it at all, and you sum up what the newest show is about? Card Games? Probably not at this point. Though, I really don't that promoting your own stuff is illigal, how the heck did shows like MLP and Transformers ever air then? Sounds really freaking stupid to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 they do it by being really subtle. promoting real life products to children in shows isnt illegal itself. but a show has to have a point to exist BESIDES showing off the product. thats why mlp and transformers have plots. but since the plot of yu-gi-oh is just people playing the game over and over, they gotta do other things to be allowed on the air. changing the card look is one of them. exclusive cards probably are too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 they do it by being really subtle. promoting real life products to children in shows isnt illegal itself. but a show has to have a point to exist BESIDES showing off the product. thats why mlp and transformers have plots. but since the plot of yu-gi-oh is just people playing the game over and over, they gotta do other things to be allowed on the air. changing the card look is one of them. exclusive cards probably are too.hmm, I highly doubt that they had any legal problems, I mean you say that it's not a thing in Japan, though the cartoon is still Japanese, they still made those plots and those cards even if they changed some of it overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 im saying it contributes. remember there are tcg and ocg exclusive cards. most anime cards become neither and this is partly why. im not saying its the only reason and ive never said it but it DOES matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I don't really understand what you mean, but sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest - Neo - Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 It's like you keep repeating the same thing but you're not making any new points or any valid counter-arguments. Konami's main goal above all else is to make money; there's three ways to do that, really. Ratings, Profit, and Video Games/Events. It's widely known that YCS' and stuff hardly make any sort of a profit at all, and often times result in them losing money in the process, so that's not the best route. As much as I do enjoy the video games, many people would wonder why they should spend money on them when they can just play on DN/YGOPro/DMG. That really comes down to the Booster Pack/TCG sales and Television Ratings, which in turn equal more money. The original Yu-Gi-Oh! Series is still on the air, and that's saying something considering it does very good ratings for its time slot compared to the other shows that Vortexx showcases here in the US, and shows like GX and 5D's were quite good as well; GX was on Cartoon Network and 4Kids at the same time, so they had two outlets there. 5D's I didn't enjoy personally, but they kept it on the air for a while so it must have been doing something right. I'm a big fan of ZeXal, but what makes it different is the setting, the plot, and the cards; things like GEPD, while not exactly practical in the metagame, are iconic and awesome, must-have cards for collectors and fans of the show alike. Many archetypes do get showcased but there are some that wouldn't make much sense from a character perspective and serve as a means of separating the TCG from the TV show. Some people just enjoy the show, some people enjoy the TCG and not the show, so they appeal to two different crowds sometimes. Wanting the anime to focus solely on "in print" or "soon to be in print" cards would be like expecting the Pokemon TCG to feature nothing but Pokemon that the Main Characters are currently using, which would make for quite a boring product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 It's like you keep repeating the same thing but you're not making any new points or any valid counter-arguments. Konami's main goal above all else is to make money; there's three ways to do that, really. Ratings, Profit, and Video Games/Events. It's widely known that YCS' and stuff hardly make any sort of a profit at all, and often times result in them losing money in the process, so that's not the best route. As much as I do enjoy the video games, many people would wonder why they should spend money on them when they can just play on DN/YGOPro/DMG. That really comes down to the Booster Pack/TCG sales and Television Ratings, which in turn equal more money. The original Yu-Gi-Oh! Series is still on the air, and that's saying something considering it does very good ratings for its time slot compared to the other shows that Vortexx showcases here in the US, and shows like GX and 5D's were quite good as well; GX was on Cartoon Network and 4Kids at the same time, so they had two outlets there. 5D's I didn't enjoy personally, but they kept it on the air for a while so it must have been doing something right. I'm a big fan of ZeXal, but what makes it different is the setting, the plot, and the cards; things like GEPD, while not exactly practical in the metagame, are iconic and awesome, must-have cards for collectors and fans of the show alike. Many archetypes do get showcased but there are some that wouldn't make much sense from a character perspective and serve as a means of separating the TCG from the TV show. Some people just enjoy the show, some people enjoy the TCG and not the show, so they appeal to two different crowds sometimes. Wanting the anime to focus solely on "in print" or "soon to be in print" cards would be like expecting the Pokemon TCG to feature nothing but Pokemon that the Main Characters are currently using, which would make for quite a boring product.I'm telling my point again, because it's true. It's what any logical buisnessman should do, but Konami doens't seem to realize this. And I mean, you can have counterpoints, but that doesn't make it less true that Konami should do it this way. Now, I want to say, I don't watch the anime, I only watched the old when it was on air in Denmark, which it isn't anymore, and some of GX when ever I felt like it, even though there was no story at all. I think at some point the guy with the Ojama or what ever was imporant somehow? I don't know, but really if you say that the story is still as important as the cards and the game, why wouldn't the creators of the show try to make it better, I mean I don't watch much anime, but I know that it's not the best show in terms of story, even if the newer ones try... (I hear that it took the newest a season to get a plot, so that says something). There was something else I wanted to say, but I forgot. Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 because they dont wanna put too much money in it or else they dont make it back. theres enough overarching plot to hook people and dodge fcc advertisement regulations. nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 because they dont wanna put too much money in it or else they dont make it back. theres enough overarching plot to hook people and dodge fcc advertisement regulations. nothing more.what is ffc advertisements? Anyways, I don't really see, are you trying to defend Konami here? Konami is an awful company guys, that's not gonna change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 the fcc, or federal communications commission, are the organization in charge of all forms of communication in the united states. they regulate tv, radio, newspapers and the internet. they decide whether shows can be aired in the us etc. if the yu-gi-oh shows look too much like 30 minute ads targeted at kids they arent allowed to air anymore. this applies to every show. so shows have to make SOME effort to not look like ads. but theyre not gonna dump a lot of money into it, especially if its a company like konami where the show basically IS a big ad. so they do enough effort to get past that and nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I wouldn't mind if they actually made them so it would intrigue me to buy the cards, which is why my opinions stands that they should make it like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 because they dont wanna put too much money in it or else they dont make it back. theres enough overarching plot to hook people and dodge fcc advertisement regulations. nothing more.Don't listen to this person. She has very little idea what she's talking about. Let me step in and blow your mind: Konami has nothing to do with the Yu-Gi-Oh! anime. Seriously, nothing at all. They do not make it, they did not tell someone to make it, and they do not make any money off of it. That's the truth. Here's how it breaks down: 1. The Yu-Gi-Oh! OCG and TCG belong to Konami.2. The Yu-Gi-Oh! anime belongs to TV Tokyo.3. The Yu-Gi-Oh! manga belongs to Shueisha, the same company that publishes the well-known manga magazine "Weekly Shonen Jump".3. The Yu-Gi-Oh! franchise also belongs to Shueisha.4. The "concept" for Yu-Gi-Oh! still belongs to its original creator, Kazuki Takahashi. Konami has no obligation to release all the cards in the show. Besides, take a look at the show: you can usually tell what cards will be released and which won't be. There are clear design differences between them that show when effort was being put into designing a card or not. Now, should they release them all? Mm...maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 No, of course they shouldn't release them all, most are broken or wouldn't even work, though I see what you mean, but still it's still about making money, whoever might own the rights to release the cards from the anime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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