Nexev Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I'm pretty sure at Balthazar's level your so good at magic your Libra spell auto works. Meaning you get information about the enemy before the enemy is there. Elite nobodies aren't really that srong, with Sorcerers as the only real exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosuke-kun Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Berserkers were pretty tough too ._. Dragons were eh, but to be honest even on proud mode nothing was really that challenging in KH2 .3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love of Ghibli Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 [quote name='Mugendramon' timestamp='1358352025' post='6122719'] Invisible things don't have shadows, hello. Light passes through them, they don't cast a shadow. o,o [/quote] ...That's not entirely true...To be truly invisible the wraiths could neither reflect or absorb light. Seeing as all tangible objects absorb light the Wraiths would then have to be transparent for light to truly pass through them. If the Wraiths were transparent then I don't see the reason why they would ever take their cloaks off in a fight, you couldn't hit them. Seeing as they did take their cloaks off I though they were designed to simply reflect the lightrays around them and therefore to human eyes not be seen. But they would still cast shadows seeing as they are tangible entities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 [quote name='Beginning446' timestamp='1358361379' post='6122846'] ...That's not entirely true...To be truly invisible the wraiths could neither reflect or absorb light. Seeing as all tangible objects absorb light the Wraiths would then have to be transparent for light to truly pass through them. If the Wraiths were transparent then I don't see the reason why they would ever take their cloaks off in a fight, you couldn't hit them. Seeing as they did take their cloaks off I though they were designed to simply reflect the lightrays around them and therefore to human eyes not be seen. But they would still cast shadows seeing as they are tangible entities. [/quote] Does somebody else keep hearing "maaaagic, maaaaagic", or is it just me? They have no items that generate that invisibility. I just used the term "cloaking". They themselves become perfectly transparent, but that does not make them intangible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ListenToLife Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I never got why people mixed 'Transparent' and 'Intangible'. Transparent merely means see through. For example, a window is transparent. As such, it is also, technically, invisible. It is still there, and still tangible. I'm pretty much imagining that these wraiths turn themselves into sort of moving, living, organic glass-like creatures. Would that be accurate Mugen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Somewhat. Except you can't see the edges and they don't reflect [i]any[/i] amount of light. Kind of like the cleanest, least shiny window you've ever seen. Or, not seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosuke-kun Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Basically, a window that was washed with Windex .3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexev Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 [quote name='Mugendramon' timestamp='1358361710' post='6122853'] Does somebody else keep hearing "maaaagic, maaaaagic", or is it just me? They have no items that generate that invisibility. I just used the term "cloaking". They themselves become perfectly transparent, but that does not make them intangible. [/quote] Stronger entities however still lack perfect cloaking, what makes these guys better? Why are your advance mooks stronger then a stealth sneak? Cause frankly no mook should be better at ANYTHING then a boss unless these are like END GAME MOOKS and its a super early enemy, and the Stealth Sneak is, but Sneak Army isn't and you litterally used wraiths before even dusks. Story logic dictates their cloaking therefore, shouldn't be that good or they have a obvious tell like a annoyingly noise which would have given them away regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Well, video game logic required SS to have a shadow, otherwise it would be near impossible to spot when Clayton isn't mounted. If light bends around you; you simply CANNOT have a shadow as there is no light flashing onto you for a shadow to be cast. Also, Wraiths are about as physically strong as a Creeper Nobody. They need a cheap gimmick in order to survive as they'd easily get beaten otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love of Ghibli Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 I guess we should state how strong our elites are just so it doesn't get confusing in the future. For me, the Gentlemen were a western parallel to Roxas' Samurai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 *sighs* fine, I'll edit. But while I know the whole cloaking thing is good for plot reasons, it can be extremely confusing for others who try to work with it - I mean, there are many different types of invisibility. At the very least, Viola's spells assured the others that there aren't any other Wraiths around. And you say it's [i]very[/i] far away...that makes no sense. We're all fighting inside a not-infinitely-large shop, at the lobby no less, and I don't see how anything could stand in a place where it wouldn't be splashed by Viola's water thingie. Anyway~ I'm guessing that since Viola's the Prime Merlinean, her magic would be more The Sorcerer's Apprentice-style and less KH-style, which helps a lot with her creative way of using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosuke-kun Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 [quote name='Merciful Idiot' timestamp='1358425769' post='6123683'] And you say it's [i]very[/i] far away...that makes no sense. We're all fighting inside a not-infinitely-large shop, at the lobby no less, and I don't see how anything could stand in a place where it wouldn't be splashed by Viola's water thingie. [/quote] Balthazar Shuren and Trevor moved outside to battle. Else I'd have had Shuren block the knives with a Thunder spell (well most of them at least) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Oh. [size=1]Why do you guys make everything so confusing. [/size]In that case, I'll edit - just a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosuke-kun Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 xD Just trying to help everyone Merci .3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Done. Now then, hopefully I managed to disable those oddly-endurant elite mooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barian Warlord Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Roxas why won't you respond to my post, have I angered you somehow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 No, it's just that the posts for the battle with the Wraiths are occasionally longer than I expected (Which is a good thing), but I'll at least respond to your post so you can continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barian Warlord Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Just need you to make one more post with me then I can move on to the next adventure, where are the rest of the Nobodys right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 [quote name='Merciful Idiot' timestamp='1358427083' post='6123693'] Done. Now then, hopefully I managed to disable those [b]oddly-endurant elite mooks[/b]. [/quote] Oh, what was I thinking, obviously your Level 10 characters can beat Elites by hitting them once with Thunder. Yep. Also, just an fyi: These guys can't use their cloaking while fighing. You don't have to fight perfect Stealth Sneaks. The invisibility requires concentration which they barely have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ListenToLife Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 If we're doing equivalents, like Beginning seems to have tried to start, I guess I should mention that the Brawlers are similar to Berserkers - they're pretty god-damn strong & durable, but they're incredibly dumb and their attacks can easily be turned back on themselves with the right movements (try to dodge, not block, basically.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 The Deadbeats scale with how much Munny they've siphoned. So they become much more dangerous as battle progresses, like Demyx's Dancers I guess, who have the cheapest attacks ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Oh, what was I thinking, obviously your Level 10 characters can beat Elites by hitting them once with Thunder. Yep. Also, just an fyi: These guys can't use their cloaking while fighing. You don't have to fight perfect Stealth Sneaks. The invisibility requires concentration which they barely have. Â You mean multiple Thunders plus water conductivity plus fire plus Prime Merlinean Power? (watch the Sorcerer's Apprentice - that's Viola's level of power) But you're right that one hit shouldn't be enough, and they were good enough for the apprentices' first Nobody opponents~ Â we're not even close to the Organization XIII level of power are we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barian Warlord Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Just wait with time you guys might even be able to get Xemyrom interested in the battle, also are the apprentices together or fighting separate? Also how many Nobodys are off base and not in a CoD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Kidd, this takes place centuries after the Xehanort Saga. How are Lock, Shock, and Barrel still alive? Furthermore, Oogie's Manor was destroyed in KH1, and I don't even think Oogie had a body left to speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love of Ghibli Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Kidd, this takes place centuries after the Xehanort Saga. How are Lock, Shock, and Barrel still alive? Furthermore, Oogie's Manor was destroyed in KH1, and I don't even think Oogie had a body left to speak of. Â I thought the citizens of Halloween were somewhat like Santa and the elves they were kinda immortal in an aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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