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[Great Unclean One: VK]

Well your not idiotic, but to prosper in life a person needs friends, and family. If you shut yourself out to become successful then your never gonna make it. It's important to have relationships. They can be romantic or just friendly, but we all need them. Learning how to react feel, and being able to tell the difference between harmful people is important. I'd say learn it now, and not later on in life when your busy. So find that balance where you can have friends and maybe even a relationship but still get good grades.

 

This is game design we're talking about.

 

Part of the job is "crunch" time which is basically working unpaid over time just to get the game out.  It could last from 9 months to a year.

 

If you don't do crunch time, you'll get fired.

 

Some lose friends, family, and their wives and kids.

 

Why?

 

For the pay, the recognition, and because they still have that spark.

[Rapidfire]

This is game design we're talking about.

 

Part of the job is "crunch" time which is basically working unpaid over time just to get the game out.  It could last from 9 months to a year.

 

If you don't do crunch time, you'll get fired.

 

Some lose friends, family, and their wives and kids.

 

Why?

 

For the pay, the recognition, and because they still have that spark.

 

Well musicians, writers, artists, travelers etc. And they all have lives, and families. Personally I would do anything to follow my dreams but one thing I would never throw away would be my family, and friends. They support me and most of all they are what would drive me to be better. So no I kinda feel like you should open your eyes. Follow your passion but don't forget the people who supported you and cared for  you when you were down. Or the people who raised you to be the "man" you are today. Someday your gonna need help, and it's good to have someone around. 

[Great Unclean One: VK]

True, but from what accounts I've read about game designers, this is the norm.  One of the God of War designers if memory serves, had to divorce his wife due to the working hours.  While an EA employee died.

 

Even the Resident Evil game director suffered work related illness and the day when he got out of the hospital, he was thrown back into work.

 

If I do get into game design, I won't be home except for most likely 6-8 hours and it'll be spent on sleeping or eating.  Leaving hardly any time to do anything I like or to talk to anyone enough to develop anything meaningful.  Perhaps at work but no where else.

 

Then I'll have to go to work, program, debug, etc and the cycle repeats itself till the game is finished.

 

Then I'll get $1k at the end and 1 week vacation till I have to work for a few years of the process I mentioned earlier with no days off save for Christmas and Thanksgiving.  I doubt I'll take a sick day off unless it's serious (Which I doubt will happen.).  

 

I personally see no problems with this cycle, but then again, I'm not "normal".  As for friends, most of my friends hardly talk or meet me at places.  Plus they're moving away for college soon.  All my other friends are people I meet online.  For family, the only family I really talk to is my cousins (One will be moving soon and the other will be moving out in a few years) and my lil bro (Who doesn't want to talk to me unless it's to play some YGO or something and that's rare.).  If you ask about my dad, let's just say he doesn't give a fuck really about me unless I get in trouble with the law.  As for my mother, she's in New Orleans partying her ass off.  My uncles and aunts don't really like me along with my other cousins save a few don't really want to socialize with me.

 

So I don't really see what I will lose.  What I'll gain is living the dream (Small condo, boat, video game programmer/designer, replica M1 Garand, and a griffin plushie) and saving up modest at best, amounts of money for retirement (Spend the rest of my life working on my minis, fishing, and doing astrology) and spend the rest of my life in bliss.

 

Plus should the Singularity happen, I should have enough to do the procedure or at least to put myself into cryo.

[Kōsuke Ueki]

[quote name="Rapidfire" post="6143758" timestamp="1360879249"]All you need is twenty seconds of courage, and then everything will fall in to place.[/quote] Rapid, twenty seconds isn't enough time for me to get the job done. Just saying.

[Rapidfire]

True, but from what accounts I've read about game designers, this is the norm.  One of the God of War designers if memory serves, had to divorce his wife due to the working hours.  While an EA employee died.

 

Even the Resident Evil game director suffered work related illness and the day when he got out of the hospital, he was thrown back into work.

 

If I do get into game design, I won't be home except for most likely 6-8 hours and it'll be spent on sleeping or eating.  Leaving hardly any time to do anything I like or to talk to anyone enough to develop anything meaningful.  Perhaps at work but no where else.

 

Then I'll have to go to work, program, debug, etc and the cycle repeats itself till the game is finished.

 

Then I'll get $1k at the end and 1 week vacation till I have to work for a few years of the process I mentioned earlier with no days off save for Christmas and Thanksgiving.  I doubt I'll take a sick day off unless it's serious (Which I doubt will happen.).  

 

I personally see no problems with this cycle, but then again, I'm not "normal".  As for friends, most of my friends hardly talk or meet me at places.  Plus they're moving away for college soon.  All my other friends are people I meet online.  For family, the only family I really talk to is my cousins (One will be moving soon and the other will be moving out in a few years) and my lil bro (Who doesn't want to talk to me unless it's to play some YGO or something and that's rare.).  If you ask about my dad, let's just say he doesn't give a fuck really about me unless I get in trouble with the law.  As for my mother, she's in New Orleans partying her ass off.  My uncles and aunts don't really like me along with my other cousins save a few don't really want to socialize with me.

 

So I don't really see what I will lose.  What I'll gain is living the dream (Small condo, boat, video game programmer/designer, replica M1 Garand, and a griffin plushie) and saving up modest at best, amounts of money for retirement (Spend the rest of my life working on my minis, fishing, and doing astrology) and spend the rest of my life in bliss.

 

Plus should the Singularity happen, I should have enough to do the procedure or at least to put myself into cryo.

 

Well that truly sucks, but anyone can make friends. And you should. 

 

Rapid, twenty seconds isn't enough time for me to get the job done. Just saying.

 

Well then 2 minutes. I'm sure you'd be able to spit out a lot of the story in two minutes. 

[Great Unclean One: VK]

How the fuck does that suck?

 

I got food in my belly, a roof over my head and all I could want.

 

Sure my friends and family are leaving, but so what?  I'll have to move when I'm done with my education and after saving enough cash.  Also, I rarely go outside unless it's to go get stuff or if there's a gamestore nearby.  There I suppose I'll make friends.  But no where else could I see myself socializing with other people.  That and I hardly talk to people who I don't know or share any interests with. 

[Agro]

Why are you even in this club, again?

[Nathanael D. Striker]

*comes in with heart shaped cookies for everyone*

 

Ah Valentine's Day. Today was a great day. I was amused by all of the giant teddy bears and chocolate at my school today. I said to a classmate of mine that all the food I've been seeing was making me hungry.There was that much chocolate. XD

 

Anyway, Spike and I exchanged gifts as well. I loved his and I could tell he loved mine. Ah, what a great day. <3

 

So, how was your Valentine's Day guys?

[Spirit of DMG]

VK: Know what I say? Those guys didn't marry the right person in the first place. If they're unsupportive enough to leave the guy because he's doing his job, then he didn't need them in the first place. 

It's either that or vice-versa, where he should have looked his boss in the eye and said "Eff you, I have a family. The game can wait. It is just a game, after all." Anyone who thinks a game is more important than their kids doesn't deserve to have kids.

 

C-4: Poly-Amerous, basically, is the belief that having multiple partners is alright, provided that all involved are okay with it. Now, the fact you're just now realizing this makes it an unlikely possibility, but it could still be there. What I suggest you do is get a sack of peanuts, grab on to it really tight, and confront her about it. Just say something like this:

"Hey, *insert name here* I heard you talking to someone and mentioned having a boyfriend that wasn't me. When was I gonna learn about this?"

Fifteen seconds, tops.

[Agro]

It's either that or vice-versa, where he should have looked his boss in the eye and said "Eff you, I have a family. The game can wait. It is just a game, after all." Anyone who thinks a game is more important than their kids doesn't deserve to have kids.

That's an unfortunately bad argument and you should feel bad for trying to make it.

[Rapidfire]

How the fuck does that suck?

 

I got food in my belly, a roof over my head and all I could want.

 

Sure my friends and family are leaving, but so what?  I'll have to move when I'm done with my education and after saving enough cash.  Also, I rarely go outside unless it's to go get stuff or if there's a gamestore nearby.  There I suppose I'll make friends.  But no where else could I see myself socializing with other people.  That and I hardly talk to people who I don't know or share any interests with. 

 

I respect that, but then again I don't. I don't think you'll be too happy in the end. I mean friendship is so important, and your really underestimating it. It's important because it builds your character. You yourself are who you are because of the people you have met.

 

 

*comes in with heart shaped cookies for everyone*

 

Ah Valentine's Day. Today was a great day. I was amused by all of the giant teddy bears and chocolate at my school today. I said to a classmate of mine that all the food I've been seeing was making me hungry.There was that much chocolate. XD

 

Anyway, Spike and I exchanged gifts as well. I loved his and I could tell he loved mine. Ah, what a great day. <3

 

So, how was your Valentine's Day guys?

 

Like I said my valentines day was just amazing. I got hugs, and smiles! <3

[Nathanael D. Striker]

Like I said my valentines day was just amazing. I got hugs, and smiles! <3

 

That's great to hear. It's nice to have a Valentine's Day like that.

[Spirit of DMG]

That's an unfortunately bad argument and you should feel bad for trying to make it.

Well, Agro, I'm sorry for caring more about my family than a game. If it came down to it, and the choice was to make a game be a few days late, or to lose my wife and kids, I would choose to make the game be late.

I'm sorry, but I don't feel that any game is worth my family. And as stated prior, anyone who does feel that way, in my honest opinion, doesn't deserve to have one.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Why are you even in this club, again?

 

Joined on a whimsy.

 

 

*comes in with heart shaped cookies for everyone*

 

Ah Valentine's Day. Today was a great day. I was amused by all of the giant teddy bears and chocolate at my school today. I said to a classmate of mine that all the food I've been seeing was making me hungry.There was that much chocolate. XD

 

Anyway, Spike and I exchanged gifts as well. I loved his and I could tell he loved mine. Ah, what a great day. <3

 

So, how was your Valentine's Day guys?

 

Woke up, had headache and stomachache so I took pain killers and then crapped.  Then proceeded to have a breakfast consisting of baked potatoe with cheese seasoned with Cayenne pepper and Cajun spices.  Did chores and errands.  Had lunch consisting of fried rice spiced with Cayenne pepper, Cajun spices, onion and garlic powder, lemon and pepper, soy sauce, and Italian Herb mix.  Called Games Workshop customer service to get my mini replaced since it's Finecrap.  Go on my comp and continue my work on my Lovecraftian story.  Then download UDK and reply to you.

 

VK: Know what I say? Those guys didn't marry the right person in the first place. If they're unsupportive enough to leave the guy because he's doing his job, then he didn't need them in the first place. 

It's either that or vice-versa, where he should have looked his boss in the eye and said "Eff you, I have a family. The game can wait. It is just a game, after all." Anyone who thinks a game is more important than their kids doesn't deserve to have kids.

It's either lose his job and his career or get unemployed.  Not to mention big named publishers and dev teams aren't exactly looking for people when there's a shit ton of 19 year old programmers who'll work for less and have energy to do this.  They'll choose the 19 year old over him making sure he won't get a job.

[Merci]

Having a hangover and still being forced to go to school is a horrible feeling. To make it worse, I had to take 15mm of hydrochloric acid for Chemistry, and I kinda breathed in a little....

Oh, and I had a serious argument with my girlfriend over...I'm not really sure. But it worries me, a lot.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

[quote name="General Donovyn M. Gerra" post="6143987" timestamp="1360900535"]Well, Agro, I'm sorry for caring more about my family than a game. If it came down to it, and the choice was to make a game be a few days late, or to lose my wife and kids, I would choose to make the game be late. I'm sorry, but I don't feel that any game is worth my family. And as stated prior, anyone who does feel that way, in my honest opinion, doesn't deserve to have one.[/quote] i think the issue agro has is your belief that you can objectively declare who can and cant have kids. i know thats my issue with your words. you dont have that right. sometimes parents have to make incredibly tough choices for their families. for a large period of time (maybe a year or so) i only had parents two days a week because of their work schedules. was it tough? hell yes. even more so because im the oldest of three. am i mad at them? do i think they should have chosen differently? not at all. i wouldnt be here if they didnt. id probably be dead or not much better. for you to decide that it is your place to tell people who make that choice that theyre wrong, then YOU are the one whos wrong. dont you dare take all the struggles people go through and make them meaningless because you disagree. i think most kids would rather have a home and see their parents less often than the reverse. ANYWAYS the only thing i did for valentines day was wish my girlfriend happy kiss day. but she said something really cute back and it made me feel great so im calling that a success.

[Spirit of DMG]

Yes, Claire, that's exactly what I said. "I disagree with you, because you're wrong."

Okay, imagine this scenario:

Wife: "You spend too much time designing some stupid game. I'm filing for divorce."

Husband: "I'm doing this so that I can support our family!"

Wife: "How can you say you're supporting this family! You're never around!"

 

Yeah... I'm sorry, but it's not that I think he's wrong to want to be a game designer, but to do anything at the cost of a family? That guy who lost his wife and kids because he wanted to make a game... either he thought that game was more important than his family, or he genuinely didn't know his wife was divorcing him, which would make him one of the biggest idiots I've ever heard of. You had parents two or three days a week because of work schedules? Okay, sounds like they both agreed to that. I'm not gonna pretend I know anything about that. But was one of those parents working ludicrous hours for no pay, like what VK is saying is necessary for game design? (It's probably not necessary. I seriously doubt the validity of that.)

I'm just saying, Claire, there are two things that I will never sacrifice for anything: My life, and my family. If my wife threatens to leave me and take the kids with her, I'm looking my boss in the eye and telling him to eff off. Whatever it is, my family is far more important, and if he fires me for choosing my family, then eff him, I can find something else to do.

Anyone who would do the following:

Wife: "I'm filing for divorce."

Husband: "Oh, well."

 

Something's wrong with him, and in m honest opinion, the wife can do a lot better.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

I wish.  It'll happen in not only games but other projects as well.  This is the reality.  You'll be asked to keep up and keep your job but lose your family, or lose your job and possibly career but MIGHT keep your family.  Remember, some people will think of you as a deadbeat for not being able to get a job.

Crunch Time is delicious hell.  That's why modern Game Theory and Game Design classes are now like being in a sort of basic training boot camp for younger game designers.  They'll get you ready for the stress and long shifts.  

The competition for jobs in Game Design is fierce.  The older you get, you'll be feared, hated, and sometimes valued for your experience.  But most likely you'll be tossed aside for some younger guy who'll stomach the Crunch and put up with the shit.  You won't have job security, you're just a number.  You'll be replaced the moment you voice a complain to show something that might demoralize (Like showing a major bug in a game, most Game Testers are fired and possibly black listed for revealing certain bugs to the Dev team) the production teams.

 

Crunch time has become part of the game design culture.  Now in some companies, it's called the Death March.

 

In some companies, the most crunch time is 1 year.

 

In companies like EA, Activision, and Crapcom, it'll last for years.  It's even worse for CoD games and those with similar release schedules.  You'll start Crunch Time right after it ends.  

 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/05/the-death-march-the-problem-of-crunch-time-in-game-development/

http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/KeithFuller/20110114/88770/60_Straight_Days_of_Crunch_Really_Please_Explain.php

http://gameindustry.about.com/od/game-development/a/Crunch-Time.htm

http://gametheoryonline.com/2011/08/02/game-developers-crunch-overworked/

 

In addition to not being paid overtime and in some companies being forced to pay for your own breakfast, lunch, snacks, and dinners, you might not even get a bonus or any of the money from the sales of the games.

 

Not only you lose your health, your family, your friends, and your life, you also sometimes lose your love for games and game making.

 

Worse part is no one would hire a game dev who quit or got fired.  You're only good as the last game you make.  It's sink or swim.  Hence why most vetern game devs urge younger programmers to start up indie devs or join up with indie groups.

 

I know I will.  Unlike idiots I know who are crawling to Activision, EA, or Shitcom.

 

They'll be fresh meat for the meat grinder, unaware of what they're getting themselves into.

 

Unlike them, I stared into the abyss and it stared back at me.

[DL]

I was reading up...then the posts got too....much.

 

 

Haha

 

Honestly

I can see why VK ignored you, Rapid

 

I can see where you're coming from, but the fact is, VK seems like he's already GOT his life planned out, and if he doesn't mind being alone to work on his dream, that's fine. In fact, congratz to him, because I know I'd feel lonely.

 

No offense but what you were saying was a bit cliche, about how you should never forget the people who got you there or whatever....mostly, it doesn't even apply, because as a game designer he'll be actually getting there BY HIMSELF xD

 

 

 

 

Oh and my Valentine's day was freaking amazing.

 

 

So I went to my University to wait for my friend (the one I like) so she can turn in a paper, and we could go to the Coastway 

 

 

So we did, and we rented a 2-person bike (side-by-side bikes with a little roof on top and a steering wheel :3)

 

Then she drove, and we rode alongside the Coastway, until we stopped for a little break at a small outing type of thing, that stuck out from the main road, and had benches and stuff. She went to look at the fishies, so I followed her and put my arms around her, then we stayed there for a bit talking.

 

We then decided to ride back, so I drove....and it was SO fun to suddenly steer away from the main road, either to the street side with cars, or the sea side, just for her to yelp xD

So lots of wild riding. Then we got tired, returned the bike, went to eat at an Italian restaurant

 

Though they weren't open yet, so we just got some juice (well, I got passion fruit juice, she got ginger ale) and talked for like an hour. Then we ordered, and ate/talked (the meal was great)

Then we went to sit over by the seaside benches, gazing out at the water

We stayed there for a bit, with my arm around her, talking

 

Until she suggested we leave, because she wanted to buy some stuff on the way home. So I got the courage to ask her to be my girlfriend before we left, she said "I think we can try it :3" and boom

 

 

So I'm like in a sort of love high, which is good. Then I get home, and I go face to face with Sleepy's profile, which had this comic

 

 

And like, I just cry. Like, a lot. Because I honestly felt truly blessed to have such a great friend and a great ex.

 

So I ask her to come on skype, and we chatted for around 5 hours. I also gave her a gift which she really liked.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH0xmxmfDeY&list=UUMxrp910wNB4n_tRDnD8Wxg&index=1

 

 

And we just, talked about stuff, and it was great, and then

 

I drank a hershey's cookies and cream milkshake, and...ate the rest of the little ice cream pot xDD

 

 

So honestly it was the best valentine's day ever.

 

Hell, scratch that

 

Best DAY ever <33

[Merci]

................why........why do the rest of you guys have to have such great Valentine's Days...? [/excuse me just a little depressed]

 

As for me, I guess I should go into detail. See, what started as an ordinary, happy conversation about Valentine's Day escalated into my girlfriend admitting to me that she's been dating another guy who she likes, a lot. She still loves me, but she also loves this other guy, and is confused because she doesn't want to break either of our hearts. I told her I just wanted her to be happy, but then she sorta yelled at me that she wanted [i]me[/i] to be happy, said that she didn't deserve anything, that she's worth nothing, and asked me why I would ever love a..."hopelessly romantic depressed suicidal whore/cunt". She's been through...a hell lot of problems, too. Raped twice, and the only loyal boyfriend she ever had (and loved with all her heart) got hit by a car - once upon a time, they had planned to run away together. She told me that all she ever does is hurt me and everyone else around her, and that she wants me to love someone worth my time...

 

I don't know. I just don't.want to give up on her. I won't ever give up on her, because I know this sounds cliche but I do love her. I can't put it into words, but I just do. Yet I...I don't know. I'm not sure why I'm even telling you guys this, because I'll probably just smash my laptop if someone even subtlety suggests I leave her - which I won't ever.

 

I've been very patient for the past eight months, and I'm more than prepared to wait five years. Ten years. I'm just worried... about her. I don't know what I want to know. I'm scared that she might choose another guy over me, TERRIFIED that she might just go ahead and commit suicide. I thought she'd cheered up over the past year, but it turned out that she'd only been pretending....I should've been expecting this, really. But I'm not giving up.

 

Again, I don't know why I'm telling you guys this...I guess I just feel like getting support is all.

[DL]

That's a hell of a situation...I can somehow relate, seeing as I currently love two girls......though I'm only dating one of them.

 

What she needs to do is pick one. The one who makes her happiest. The thing is....and I read this in a manga once

 

If you love two people...can you ACTUALLY say you love either of them?

 

 

Don't leave her, but let her make the decision. You can try to show her how good of a boyfriend you can be, to let her know that she only needs YOU

 

or you can encourage her to go to the other guy if it makes her happy.

 

if what you TRULY want is her happiness, I'd say trust your heart, and push her in whatever direction you think is best. She needs you right now.

[Merci]

...thanks, I guess.

 

But still, I'm not sure if she's brave enough to make the choice because she really does love the both of us as far as I know (she was crying when she was telling me all this, so I think that's proof enough...she's really stressed about it). She made a mistake but she doesn't know how to undo it, because that would mean breaking either one of our hearts, which she doesn't want to do. Before me, she was kinda -how do I say this?- dating guys all the time, and never really stayed with them for as long as I did. I mean, I won't be clingy if she chooses the other guy...but she still doesn't want me hurt. And then I'm hurt anyway because she's not happy, so everything just spirals into despair.

[DL]

It doesn't matter if she loves both.

 

She got herself into this mess, she needs to have the strength to pull herself out.

 

And the only way to do that is choosing who she wants to be with most.

 

 

Have you told her yet, that she HAS to choose one?


Because from what I figure, if she left you, and was happy with the other guy, you could be happy for her.

 

But at the same time, we don't know how the other guy feels about this. Does HE know?

[Tourmaline]

Are you actually referring to a manga for this?

If she sincerely cared for your happiness, use that as incentive not to give up. Unless the other person is really better for her than you are after learning more, be as cliché as possible. Think like Fusion X. Denver would.

Mass she seen a professional? She sounds detrimentally stressed and thinking of suicide is reason enough to see one. She was also raped twice and used to go around dating a bunch of guys (probably because of some sort of loneliness), so it may be a good choice.

I don't even know why I'm writing any of this. I've developed emotions so efficient that anybody could think they're real. I-It learns! *Walks back to my corner.*

[DL]

Are you actually referring to a manga for this?

If she sincerely cared for your happiness, use that as incentive not to give up. Unless the other person is really better for her than you are after learning more, be as cliché as possible. Think like Fusion X. Denver would.

Mass she seen a professional? She sounds detrimentally stressed and thinking of suicide is reason enough to see one. She was also raped twice and used to go around dating a bunch of guys (probably because of some sort of loneliness), so it may be a good choice.

I don't even know why I'm writing any of this. I've developed emotions so efficient that anybody could think they're real. I-It learns! *Walks back to my corner.*

Well is it not true? Or can you say you can truly love 2 people, in the 'lover' way?

At the very least, not morally, at most, not emotionally.