FTW (For The Wynn) Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 It's almost as if the United States is heading back to the 1850s and 1860s. Tension is rising all over the country. Apparently, based on this last election, tension has become so bad that some people actually want to secede from the union. [url="http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20_states_petition_to_secede_from_us_following_obama_victory_20121112/"]http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20_states_petition_to_secede_from_us_following_obama_victory_20121112/[/url] [url="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548572/states-petition-to-secede-from-union/"]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548572/states-petition-to-secede-from-union/[/url] [url="http://www.examiner.com/article/texas-petition-to-secede-is-first-to-reach-the-25-000-signature-goal"]http://www.examiner.com/article/texas-petition-to-secede-is-first-to-reach-the-25-000-signature-goal[/url] Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Boo f***ing whoo. Honestly, some people just need to suck it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 That's really, really petty. How gracious our Republican friends are in defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 [img]http://api.ning.com/files/Z0dgxJgwQ8xkhVyNabEpbr18iiOCs3eildyxFblqnczo6*G1cQFxrIRbX0qUs7QMyb-WiqBZMo5JuwBGm2AF9wVetOoI3LEK/whambulance.jpg?width=600&height=312[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Hey, I found even more news. [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/peter-morrison-texas-divorce_n_2100165.html"]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/peter-morrison-texas-divorce_n_2100165.html[/url] Are we really this pathetic of a country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [quote name='GodWynn' timestamp='1352765818' post='6067777'] Hey, I found even more news. [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/peter-morrison-texas-divorce_n_2100165.html"]http://www.huffingto..._n_2100165.html[/url] Are we really this pathetic of a country? [/quote] It's just the voice of a minority who just got their jimmies rustled is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 True, but you don't often hear threats of seceding from the union. Ironic that it is mostly southern states threatening it when we elected a black president. However, that said, I'm sure most of this is because the Republican candidate lost. Anyway, even more links. [url="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/10/texas-gop-official-state-should-secede-from-maggots-who-reelected-obama/"]http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/10/texas-gop-official-state-should-secede-from-maggots-who-reelected-obama/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WHptG35EWU I'm not sure what's sadder, the fact that this is happening, or that these kind of stories can be summed up with silly internet phrases like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STVB Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 at least 2/5 of this country has a brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64PtuxRLvmc[/media] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STVB Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [quote name='MoogSourceVermona' timestamp='1352773837' post='6067852'] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64PtuxRLvmc[/media] [/quote] you have my day, congrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Texas wants to secede from the union? I say let them. They'd be fucked six ways to Sunday. And here's why! 1: A lot of the people living in Metropolitan areas (Dallas, Austin, Houston) would either hold out and control all the resources they can, or leave Texas to join the Union. Let's remember, 40% of Texans voted for Obama. 2: The US would likely place a trade embargo on Texas. All companies based in Texas ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Texas_companies]Wikipedia link to a list of them[/url]) wouldn't want to stay in Texas if it meant losing the US market. 3: Since Fort Hood, Fort Bliss, and all the other major military bases are owned by the federal government, they'd be closed and stripped immediately leaving Texas defenseless. Not only that, but the surrounding areas and local businesses would be affected as well. 4: Without a federally funded border patrol, the Mexican cartels would just lay waste to any major Texas city. 5: If a hurricane hits (reminder: They're in Tornado Alley), they're not getting and FEMA money to bail them out. 6: Assuming they survive it all and become a brave little country, they then have to play the political game and try to establish relations with all the other independent countries. They'll be heavily sanctioned by just about all the countries in the UN. They have no friends in America and no friends in Mexico. They'll be unable to trade with other countries at an international level, other then the countries that are considered enemies of America, like Cuba and North Korea. I hear Puerto Rico recently voted to become a new state. Great. Let's swap PR for Texas and I won't even have to change my flag. tl;dr - Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRenji Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 So, they wanna leave huh? @States [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAE0pLhT8eQ&feature=relmfu"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAE0pLhT8eQ&feature=relmfu[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 The states themselves will probably never leave the union because they would be pretty much defenseless, not to mention surrounded on all sides by a country that they left from. If people want to leave because Romney and/or any other person wasn't elected or because someone was elected, then they should. This country isn't going to be improved no matter which of the two was elected because our government is corrupt to the point of being inept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunKistRebelution Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Firstly, I would just like to say that I am from Texas. Y'all insult the petty nature of news articles such as these, and I am saddened because a place that I enjoy (YCM) and the place that I call home seem to be in opposition. In response, I would just like to make a few short (read: possibly lengthy) statements about this. 1. I am from Texas. I am a Republican. I did not vote for the presidential candidate who won. I do not want to secede from the U.S. 2. Since when has the media accurately portrayed the state of anything? This is especially true when considering the political dissent of a minority of people in a certain place. Sure, there are some extreme right-wingers who are calling for secession, but why must y'all generalize such feelings and apply them to the sane majority? These are the empty, grumbling threats of an unsatisfied minority of the populace. 3. Generalizations like the ones made by some of the commenters here demonstrate the same lack of depth that many worldwide accuse Americans of having. You hear a few bits of radical, exaggerated news from a media desperate enough for viewers that it will consistently lie. Then, what do you do? You condemn an entire state IN THE SAME COUNTRY AS YOUR OWN FOR GOODNESS' SAKE for it. Do you question the accuracy of the statement? Do you attempt to see the argument from the other side? Do you attempt to compromise or console to calm down the dissenters? No. No. No. You judge and condemn based upon spoon-fed fairy tales of the big, bad South. 4. For the person who asked if our country is 'really this pathetic?' Come on, now. There are plenty of states from which news like this is not emanating, which are not only being overlooked but undervalued in the argument. I would wager that it is actually the vast majority of Union members who are against secession. I would wager my life on that, actually. 5. Did you ever for one moment stop to consider the underlying reasons for presenting news like this? I am not referring to the obvious ratings-spike it will inevitably produce. I am referring to the inter-region tension buildup. Think about it. One of you actually said yourself that there just so happened to be a black president and, coincidentally, the liberal media spouts stories of 'the South will rise again.' Did anyone here ever stop to think whether or not they are giving you a false enemy to distract you from underhanded and sometimes even inept government operation? It happened with Vietnam. It can happen again. Additionally, before you discount this theory, I want you to take a deep breath. Done? Good. Now, reread this thread from the top and try to realize how quickly the result of such tactics produces results. Is anyone on here talking about the economy? How about clarity on the guidelines of abortion? How about overseas wars? How about the insurmountable amount of social welfare being doled out every year? How about figuring out a way to heal the partisan divide, which is growing at a pants-shittingly exponential rate, I might add. Anyone? No? Okay then. 6. Restating 'memes' and the like in any sort of attempt at a serious manner is a preposterously inadequate response to anything. Period. The fact that anyone could possibly think that such a simple, overused, sarcasm-bloated, unoriginal non-answer to a question or non-rebuttal to a statement of fact is appropriate and 'sums it up' is chock-full of a steaming pile of guano. For those of you whose head that just went over, I am asserting that such aforementioned persons are full of batshit, and thus are batshit-insane. 7. If your response to this is 'tl;dr', then you don't care enough about the matter to be commenting in the first place. As such, do everyone a massive favor, shut the hell up and sit on those useless typing fingers until you DO care enough to thoroughly examine all the points of the argument. Thank you for your time, patience and consideration. Good day, y'all. EDIT: GodWynn's point right above this post is absolute truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Actually, I was looking for a discussion and now I think we have one because now we have someone from one of the places in question with probably a better grasp of what might be happening there than the news can completely portray. As far as I am aware, the current list of people who want to secede in Texas is 25,000. Hardly a majority in a state like Texas. However, it is enough to bring about questions. Personally, I think the idea of secession is stupid because it overall changes nothing, it just hurts everyone involved, it causes even more tension and nothing is fixed by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 So, you're mad at us for generalizing, and then you generalize the reasons we're saying what we're saying. Sounds good. Of course not all Republicans are stupid, and of course it's no reason to condemn Texas. Hell, I've read plenty of posts on the internet saying that they'd move to Canada if Romney won, so it's a two-way street. But seriously, shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 It's not as if they're actually going to secede (and if they are then they're true idiots), so people are just complaining for the sake of it. Thus the simple "cry some more"-esque posts. And I can't speak for others, but I generalized nothing, my post was towards the people who would want to secede, not the entirety of the states. The most generalization I've seen has come from your, Mr. Texan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunKistRebelution Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I did not make any blanket statements. I either addressed specific comments or general themes supported by, as I stated "some of the commenters here". Generalizations also tend to largely ignore factual evidence disproving them. Show me any of that here. The people cannot secede. It is not their direct decision, it would have to be the state government which decides that. So, if you are addressing those who wish to secede, you are addressing the states themselves (although I can definitely see some not seeing eye-to-eye on this particular type of address originally, due to the absence of equal understanding and perspective on the minutiae of the issue). My point is exactly that those people are just making "empty, grumbling threats". Hardly anyone would ever follow through on something of that sort. Pardon me, Comrade TentaSparkle, but I don't see the need to "shut up". I don't see the relevance of the comment. I don't see any maturity at all in such a statement. I don't see why you even posted that, for all intents and purposes, unnecessary tidbit. If you really want me to shut up, then I am going to plead my Civil Rights. You believe in those, don't you? Freedom of speech, etc. And, before you come back accusing me of hypocrisy and telling you the very same thing, I must disagree. I am merely criticizing the comment for its relevance. In no way am I attempting to get you to be quiet. I just want this discussion to remain above the level of cognitive function often present in a childhood playground, where phrases like that often occur. With just as little relevance or logical basis, might I add. Now, to address the only response that wasn't an attack on my personal and/or political integrity, you are indeed right, Mr. GodWynn. Secession is pointless in this case, as it solves nothing and hurts all parties involved. Additionally, take a moment to consider the number 25,000 compared to the population of Texas. The 2010 Census shows that this number is upward of 25,000,000. Now, let's hypothetically round that down and compare. Essentially, 1 in 1000 people in Texas wants to secede. There is realistically no possible avenue for such an opinion to gain traction in the state government with so little support. In conclusion, we are agreed on this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 [quote]why must y'all generalize such feelings and apply them to the sane majority?[/quote] Nobody did any of this anywhere in this topic before your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Honestly, my friends are Republicans and they think this is too much butt hurt. Me being the only "socialist" in our group they thought I'd point and laugh at them for this. I didn't. Instead I demanded more man booty to fill with my Cutie Cream. Anyhow, scanning this thread, I have not generalized and thus exempt for now from this thread. Though I honestly wish some of these guys stop acting high and mighty and actually be willing to put up with this for the Greater Good. Then again some would decry that as UnAmerican and demand me to be deported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 It's all just over-inflated media hype. No state could afford to lose the financial backing they get from the Federal Government. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Though deep down, we all know someone will actually try this, and I shall watch with popcorn, Venom, and 10 day expired Turkey sandvich. Anyhow, anyone else seen the butthurt over Obama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 [quote name='SunKistRebelution' timestamp='1352782072' post='6068000'] Firstly, I would just like to say that I am from Texas. Y'all insult the petty nature of news articles such as these, and I am saddened because a place that I enjoy (YCM) and the place that I call home seem to be in opposition. In response, I would just like to make a few short (read: possibly lengthy) statements about this. 1. I am from Texas. I am a Republican. I did not vote for the presidential candidate who won. I do not want to secede from the U.S. 2. Since when has the media accurately portrayed the state of anything? This is especially true when considering the political dissent of a minority of people in a certain place. Sure, there are some extreme right-wingers who are calling for secession, but why must y'all generalize such feelings and apply them to the sane majority? These are the empty, grumbling threats of an unsatisfied minority of the populace. 3. Generalizations like the ones made by some of the commenters here demonstrate the same lack of depth that many worldwide accuse Americans of having. You hear a few bits of radical, exaggerated news from a media desperate enough for viewers that it will consistently lie. Then, what do you do? You condemn an entire state IN THE SAME COUNTRY AS YOUR OWN FOR GOODNESS' SAKE for it. Do you question the accuracy of the statement? Do you attempt to see the argument from the other side? Do you attempt to compromise or console to calm down the dissenters? No. No. No. You judge and condemn based upon spoon-fed fairy tales of the big, bad South. 4. For the person who asked if our country is 'really this pathetic?' Come on, now. There are plenty of states from which news like this is not emanating, which are not only being overlooked but undervalued in the argument. I would wager that it is actually the vast majority of Union members who are against secession. I would wager my life on that, actually. 5. Did you ever for one moment stop to consider the underlying reasons for presenting news like this? I am not referring to the obvious ratings-spike it will inevitably produce. I am referring to the inter-region tension buildup. Think about it. One of you actually said yourself that there just so happened to be a black president and, coincidentally, the liberal media spouts stories of 'the South will rise again.' Did anyone here ever stop to think whether or not they are giving you a false enemy to distract you from underhanded and sometimes even inept government operation? It happened with Vietnam. It can happen again. Additionally, before you discount this theory, I want you to take a deep breath. Done? Good. Now, reread this thread from the top and try to realize how quickly the result of such tactics produces results. Is anyone on here talking about the economy? How about clarity on the guidelines of abortion? How about overseas wars? How about the insurmountable amount of social welfare being doled out every year? How about figuring out a way to heal the partisan divide, which is growing at a pants-shittingly exponential rate, I might add. Anyone? No? Okay then. 6. Restating 'memes' and the like in any sort of attempt at a serious manner is a preposterously inadequate response to anything. Period. The fact that anyone could possibly think that such a simple, overused, sarcasm-bloated, unoriginal non-answer to a question or non-rebuttal to a statement of fact is appropriate and 'sums it up' is chock-full of a steaming pile of guano. For those of you whose head that just went over, I am asserting that such aforementioned persons are full of batshit, and thus are batshit-insane. 7. If your response to this is 'tl;dr', then you don't care enough about the matter to be commenting in the first place. As such, do everyone a massive favor, shut the hell up and sit on those useless typing fingers until you DO care enough to thoroughly examine all the points of the argument. Thank you for your time, patience and consideration. Good day, y'all. EDIT: GodWynn's point right above this post is absolute truth. [/quote] As soon as you said "liberal media" I realized that I'm not going to change your mind. All I can say is, you are really kidding yourself by thinking the South is a good place. I have family in Texas, and even they acknowledge that it's crawling with authoritarian, theocratic politics, a quiet yet active undercurrent of racism and some squalid poverty. Your second point is basically "WE'RE PART OF YOUR COUNTRY - SUPPORT US NO MATTER WHAT" - a point essentially based on the mind-numbingly blind jingoism the South has got a reputation for. You then proceed to ramble a little ditty about social welfare. I spent a fair bit of my child surviving on social welfare. There's a reason so many people live on it - America has quite a large poverty problem, not to mention a paralysed government who thanks to a petulant Republican congress can't push any reforms through. If we improved working conditions in this country, there would be more disposable income for the working class to spend, thereby growing the economy. It would also encourage people to look for jobs, as they know that jobs are better regulated and will pay better than benefits. And please keep in mind that some people actually need social welfare. When you've got a single, pregnant mother without a home caring for an infant child (*cough cough*), those benefits are needed to put food on the table. Don't assume that people on benefits are somehow deserving of contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 I would like to point out that a friend approached me and asked me to sign a petition to secede from the US. When I denied saying I didn't agree with the idea, he accused me of being a mindless sheep that followed a tyrannical government. I then tried to calmly point out that while I don't agree with certain things pertaining to the government, I do not believe that seceding is the best option for us. He then went on to say I didn't care and it was people like me who refused to voice their opinion that's letting the government walk all over us. ...why is everyone so butthurt? There are even claims that states who were FOR Obama are wanting to secede. Dumbasses these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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