ihop Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 So, today is November 11th, I'm sure most of you will know what that means. Discuss remembrance day and the costs of having war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I'm sure Mikhail had a quote somewhere on remembrance, which was quite relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 12% off everything for veterans at my store. I've been wanting to serve, but in the shape I'm in, I'll never survive boot camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospel. Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Well my Dad served, got hit by shrapnel from an ied and now suffers from chronic pain brought on from the physical trauma. At least we get a free meal at Applebees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I feel like a horrible person for being mad that we don't get a day of school cause the 11th feel on the weekend. But, in all seriousness today is an important day to thank those who serve the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1352682295' post='6067065'] I feel like a horrible person for being mad that we don't get a day of school cause the 11th feel on the weekend. But, in all seriousness today is an important day to thank those who serve the country. [/quote] I get a day off tomorrow 'cause of Veteran's day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 [quote name='Mr. A.' timestamp='1352690791' post='6067188'] I get a day off tomorrow 'cause of Veteran's day. [/quote] I don't. :/ Dumb college. At least we get Thanksgiving off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 While we're not forgetting, let's not forget the genocide and slavery that America was founded on. The main difference between the founders of the US and the Nazis were that the former succeeded in doing what the latter failed to. Let's not forget the profits made off the slave trade that were invested in the wonderful American companies and banks that stand tall and proud today. Let's not forget that our freedom grows from evil soil and that we deserve to burn and suffer the mass-murderers we glorify. Or alternatively, let's forget. Let's stop the hypocritical, self-righteous grovelling over the preservers of our brand of evil. Let's show veterans the same disregard we give the Natives and Africans and stop pretending we're innocent. As human beings we're evil by nature, and trying to do anything about has historically proven futile. Just forget it all and keep living, our past is so hideous no matter where we're from or who we are. Appreciate providence's gifts and don't try to justify your existence, just know that we YCMers are very lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 [quote name='R a k i m' timestamp='1352695743' post='6067252'] While we're not forgetting, let's not forget the genocide and slavery that America was founded on. The main difference between the founders of the US and the Nazis were that the former succeeded in doing what the latter failed to. Let's not forget the profits made off the slave trade that were invested in the wonderful American companies and banks that stand tall and proud today. Let's not forget that our freedom grows from evil soil and that we deserve to burn and suffer the mass-murderers we glorify. Or alternatively, let's forget. Let's stop the hypocritical, self-righteous grovelling over the preservers of our brand of evil. Let's show veterans the same disregard we give the Natives and Africans and stop pretending we're innocent. As human beings we're evil by nature, and trying to do anything about has historically proven futile. Just forget it all and keep living, our past is so hideous no matter where we're from or who we are. Appreciate providence's gifts and don't try to justify your existence, just know that we YCMers are very lucky. [/quote] Oh hold up. We got ourselves a badass over here. There is always one guy who has got to ruin things for everybody. Glad it's you buddy! Hey do me a favor, go away please? Nobody wants to hear your age old rants about how horrible we are and how we should be disgusted of our existence and the founding of our country and blah blah blah. We have heard it a million times. Every country has committed atrocities. Get over it. We celebrate Veteran's day to commemorate that fought for the ideals of the United States, whether good or bad. Now shut it please, I am sick of your naive negativity and lack of facts to back up half the crap you pull outta your ass. Every single time you post in a thread that could possibly warrant a debate I think to myself what happened to humanity because of the lack of intelligence in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 [quote name='Mr. A.' timestamp='1352696643' post='6067267'] Oh hold up. We got ourselves a badass over here. There is always one guy who has got to ruin things for everybody. Glad it's you buddy! Hey do me a favor, go away please? Nobody wants to hear your age old rants about how horrible we are and how we should be disgusted of our existence and the founding of our country and blah blah blah. We have heard it a million times. Every country has committed atrocities. Get over it. We celebrate Veteran's day to commemorate that fought for the ideals of the United States, whether good or bad. Now shut it please, I am sick of your naive negativity and lack of facts to back up half the crap you pull outta your ass. Every single time you post in a thread that could possibly warrant a debate I think to myself what happened to humanity because of the lack of intelligence in them. [/quote] He has a point, you know. We DID start out as a foul civilization, with slavery and civil domesticity with the natives. However, what makes this country strong is the right people coming at the right time to justify all the wrong-doings and boost our moral. To this day, we have said moral, however, with the events taking place such as the trillion-dollar national debt and the overall bad economy, our moral is only forced and labeled ignorant by handfuls of our more intelligent citizens. In which case, one of them is Rakim. By my assumption, he's stating how our history is doomed to repeat itself and we'll just go back to the anti-civil bullies that we used to be. I can already tell that by the increasing number of states legalizing gay marriage that eventually all the homophobic states might rebel and conflict will erupt. I'm being completely honest: The only reason why I support this country is because I am one of its citizens. I may not have the endurance to survive in the front line, but my voice adds on to the millions that share my opinion. It's a free country, as many have said, and everyone has a right to share their opinions, be it demoralizing or not. My only hope is for another revolution. The chances of it happening are slim to none, but seriously, what else is there to hope for to set things straight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Veterans Day is held on the 11th in rememberance of the end of the horrifically destructive Great War (A.K.A. World War I), many countries celebrate it under different names, so please don't give me that bullshit about the atrocities surrounding America's, or any other countries, foundings. It's irrelevant here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 [quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1352698659' post='6067287'] It's irrelevant here. [/quote] Exactly. How'd this turn into a debate on whether or not this country's worth honoring the soldiers of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 [quote name='Mr. A.' timestamp='1352696643' post='6067267'] Every country has committed atrocities. Get over it.[/quote] I'm not denying that. Don't you think it's indicative of a part of human nature? [quote name='Mr. A.' timestamp='1352696643' post='6067267'] We celebrate Veteran's day[/quote] Oh, I was unaware that it was a celebration. I'm all for celebrations! [quote name='Mr. A.' timestamp='1352696643' post='6067267'] to commemorate that fought for the ideals of the United States, whether good or bad.[/quote] Tell me about these ideals. Enlighten me. [quote name='Mr. A.' timestamp='1352696643' post='6067267'] Now shut it please, I am sick of your naive negativity[/quote] "Naive negativity"? That's a new one. [quote name='Mr. A.' timestamp='1352696643' post='6067267'] Every single time you post in a thread that could possibly warrant a debate I think to myself what happened to humanity because of the lack of intelligence in them. [/quote] Now THAT one I've heard before. I'm not your enemy, I just don't think we should remember veterans or be proud of our existences or our countries and would have you agree, that doesn't mean I don't wish you well. I love happiness. Just not self-righteous hypocrisy. I love you, that's why I don't wanna see you getting caught up in the hype and bullshit. [quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1352698659' post='6067287'] Veterans Day is held on the 11th in rememberance of the end of the horrifically destructive Great War (A.K.A. World War I), many countries celebrate it under different names, so please don't give me that bullshit about the atrocities surrounding America's, or any other countries, foundings. It's irrelevant here. [/quote] No it's not, the soldiers in WWI were fighting for their countries and by extension the ideals by which they were founded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 And it remembers the END OF CONFLICT. Such a thing is always positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 We never have a day off in the UK just have a 2 minutes silence on Armistice Day (Nov 11) and Rememberance Sunday (also Nov 11 this year). Though I did 2 minutes silence on the 9th at the same time we had a walk past of returning soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 [quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1352706126' post='6067336'] And it remembers the END OF CONFLICT. Such a thing is always positive. [/quote] No, it falls on the anniversary of the "END OF THE CONFLICT", it remembers "veterans" and their "heroism". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I get off school and I'm in college. Thank you veterans! But really, I would/could never enlist, so I guess I'm thankful that there are enough volunteers that we don't have to draft in the US at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?someone? Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 [quote name='R a k i m' timestamp='1352732272' post='6067466'] No, it falls on the anniversary of the "END OF THE CONFLICT", it remembers "veterans" and their "heroism". [/quote] It [i]was[/i] heroism. No matter what America has done in the past, we fought for ours and other's freedom against a threat to the entire world. How are people not heroes when they gave up the most precious of things for good? Much of history has not been black and white, but in my opinion, this was. How is it not okay to remember people who lived and died to preserve ideals and restore peace? I'm not one to get into pomp and circumstance, but sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I dislike the cheap jingoism and pro-war attitude that the Poppy Appeal and the Royal British Legion (an monarchist institution that is highly conservative, not to mention racist in the past). I don't like the poems they read on Remembrance Sunday, like Rupert Brooke and In Flanders Fields. We should be reading Sassoon and Owen, not this idealistic drivel. I reserve the blackest hatred for the delightful decision to have our school cadets do a rifle drill in front of school - letting little children play at soldiers when we're supposed to see how disgusting war is. It's foul, really. Wear a white poppy instead is a good idea: [url="http://www.ppu.org.uk/whitepoppy/index.html"]http://www.ppu.org.uk/whitepoppy/index.html[/url]. The USA was the world's first secular democracy, and although it has disintegrated into a pale imitation, we can't declare it utterly disgusting. Compare the US to the kleptocratic countries of Africa, or the corruption-addled countries of East Asia, or the sickening Islamic theocracies rampant in the Middle East. At least America isn't a dictatorship. At least they still have freedom of speech. Sure, it's an ugly place at times, but it's better than the other options we have. I'd like America to not be a place where the Left are subjugated and unable to voice their opinions. I hate the craziness that you sometimes find in it. But at the same time, we must recognize that America was better than the Imperialist forces it fought against initially and that it was a far nicer place than the Soviet Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeguBrit Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 War is a truly ugly business, and should only be resorted to if another psycho comes into power and starts it themselves. Other than that, I don't see why anyone should ever go to war, it's a complete waste of time, resources, morale and ultimately, life. I respect what soldiers do for their country, I hate it, but respect it, as I respect by default anyone who lays their life on the line for a good cause. However, the First World War was initiated for a power boost, and to send the message that any country not named Britain, France, USA, Russia, Italy or Japan cannot under any circumstances have anymore land than they have already. I just wish that the big powers had not become so greedy and egomaniacal, but in the end, millions laid their lives on the line for the good of their country, and many lost their lives. Many stories of under 18s joining the army only to die before their 18th birthday... Such a waste. Most of this was down to horrible tactical decisions, but they laid their lives on the line and fought to the more often than not brutal end. It's a depressing story, but that is war. That is my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 [quote name='?someone?' timestamp='1353648482' post='6076038'] It [i]was[/i] heroism. No matter what America has done in the past,[/quote] The moment that America's past actions cease to matter will not come until the human race ceases to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 The same can be said for all of humanity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 [quote name='R a k i m' timestamp='1354164905' post='6080723'] The moment that America's past actions cease to matter will not come until the human race ceases to exist. [/quote] America's past actions were disgusting at worst and wonderful at best, but please note that comparing America's past actions to the actions of the old empires is like comparing a car thief to a dictator. Compare America, which at least has freedom of speech, to China and the Middle East. Which country still punishes adultery with stoning? Which countries don't let you think and speak freely? Which countries don't allow you the freedom to choose your religion and political beliefs? Which countries let you elect a leader democratically and fairly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 My opinion on this: War is a nessacary evil, not becuase we actually need to fight to make gains, but becuase its in our base natures. Something which we can't stop. War is simply a way of directing that conflict to protect most people from it. I do I have the utmost respect for the people who do fight in a war, but I don't agree with it. My views on life mean that there is only this. Why the hell would you deliberately shorten your only span of life for what may be an abitrary reason. Fighting for freedom is a noble idea, but frankly our society which has free speach and stuff isn't perfect either. I would say that there is no real solution to this problem, becuase thats just how people are. We are never satisfied with what we have if we know there is more. People without freedom long for that, people with it long for power, people with power long for more. And I could rant on for hours about my thoughts on how terrible humanity is as a race, but I won't. Simply put, Glorifying war is glorifying sluaghter. A majority of us have moved on from the age of Ritual Sacrifice. War can be seen as it under a different perpesctive. The sacrifice of someone for the service of someone greater and in control of them. Hate on me if you wish. This is my opinion, and I am fairly sure I have every right to have it. You don't like it, then thats fine. I have no problems with you having a different view, each to there own as it were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.