FTW (For The Wynn) Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 [url="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57545321/pakistani-parents-say-they-killed-daughter-for-eyeing-boy/"]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57545321/pakistani-parents-say-they-killed-daughter-for-eyeing-boy/[/url] [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/pakistan-parents-killed-d_0_n_2078365.html"]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/pakistan-parents-killed-d_0_n_2078365.html[/url] So yeah, a Pakistani couple kill their daughter with acid for "looking at a boy" who they thought she had relations with. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Reading the title, I imagined a Transformers transition sequence involving the American flag flipping into the Pakistan flag. Wow...acid...at least they're trying to be original...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garthfunkle Vii Backwards Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Was it an ameican soldier or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 "Honor killings" sounds like a terrible cultural aspect and I'm sad that this girl died thanks to her insane, despicable parents. Where do you even [i]get[/i] acid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted November 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 [quote name='Garthfunkle Vii Backwards' timestamp='1352267215' post='6062949'] Was it an ameican soldier or something? [/quote] If you mean the guy she was checking out, I don't believe so. I would say it was a Pakistani lad around her age. [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1352271050' post='6062971'] "Honor killings" sounds like a terrible cultural aspect and I'm sad that this girl died thanks to her insane, despicable parents. Where do you even [i]get[/i] acid? [/quote] Different countries have different beliefs, and killing your daughter for "Honor" isn't new in some countries such as Pakistan. As for the acid, you can get acid from quite a few places. Of course, that only holds true for certain acids. Acids with a high pH are harder to acquire, but not impossible. Those are probably used more for pest control and cleaners and batteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 [quote name='GodWynn' timestamp='1352271337' post='6062972'] Different countries have different beliefs, and killing your daughter for "Honor" isn't new in some countries such as Pakistan. As for the acid, you can get acid from quite a few places. Of course, that only holds true for certain acids. Acids with a high pH are harder to acquire, but not impossible. Those are probably used more for pest control and cleaners and batteries. [/quote] Ugh, that's even worse then. And it's weird, apparently the father threw it on her practically right after she saw the kid on the motorbike. What was he doing with acid just walking on the street anyways? Stil so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 And in India and China, they kill newborn girls. What's new in the world today? Honestly, this doesn't surprise or strikes me as horrible anymore after hearing about this so many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 [quote name='GodWynn' timestamp='1352271337' post='6062972'] Different countries have different beliefs [/quote] Doesn't stop them from being f***ed up beliefs. They literally cannot justify that sort of thing just because it's their culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?someone? Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1352271050' post='6062971'] "Honor killings" sounds like a terrible cultural aspect and I'm sad that this girl died thanks to her insane, despicable parents. Where do you even [i]get[/i] acid? [/quote] [quote name='Shradow' timestamp='1352317307' post='6063230'] Doesn't stop them from being f***ed up beliefs. They literally cannot justify that sort of thing just because it's their culture. [/quote] I know, man... holy sh*t. I'm all for accepting other cultures, but I think it's perfectly all right to be disgusted by this kind of sh*t. Eurgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 What the hell? You kill your own daughter just because she looked at some guy. How could that be dishonouring her family? It just doesn't make any sense, she turned to look back at some guy riding a motorcycle. You beat up your own kid and then let your wife go pour acid all over her. What is so dishonourable by looking? I say good job towards the older sister for reporting her parents to the authorities . As for these honour killings there is no real reason for them, there is no such thing as "dishonouring your family" people are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I don't really understand this whole concept of "honor killing" personally. But, basically, I would call this murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait WHAT "She told me it was an accident and that she wouldn't look again but by then I had already thrown the acid." LYING SUNOFABITCH If I may, [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1352271050' post='6062971'] Where do you even [i]get[/i] acid? [/quote] The parents are insane and they're using this "honor" bullshit to cover it. I mean really, looking at some random guy driving by? Just letting another human be within your field of vision? I really hate to seem intolerant to other cultures/religions but this is just disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Metallium Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 WTF IS HAPPENING TO THE WORLD?! this is crazy OMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Guys, this is nothing new. In addition, please, let's not go into a huge f***ing debate about morality and what is right to us and wrong to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 [quote name='Gue'O VK' timestamp='1352394482' post='6063868'] Guys, this is nothing new. In addition, please, let's not go into a huge f***ing debate about morality and what is right to us and wrong to them. [/quote] I do enjoy debates on comparative morality, but this is probably for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Metallium Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 [quote name='Gue'O VK' timestamp='1352394482' post='6063868'] Guys, this is nothing new. In addition, please, let's not go into a huge f***ing debate about morality and what is right to us and wrong to them. [/quote] Agreed man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 [u][i][b]Bad Argument Is Bad![/b][/i][/u] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 If this had happened here in the United States, then I'll be concern. Sadly, we can't do much to change their religion or culture. Only erode and destroy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='Mr. A.' timestamp='1352415557' post='6064131'] I am not going to pretend like I am being tolerant here. This isn't their culture it is their religion. In Pakistan the law is partially based on Sharia Law, one of the laws is that if a crime is committed by a man and he has a sister. He has the option to have his sister gang raped. I sh*t you not. This is not their "Culture" it is their religion. This is happening in Muslim countries all over the world, and even in America. Muslims have become increasingly radical over the past 100 years beside their more moderate stances during the years of 300 and 1800 A.D. I am not going to pretend that I need to be tolerant to people who believe this. Culture or not and violence or not, beliefs like this shouldn't be just "tolerated" even if they don't result in violence. Or at least that is what I believe. IDK about any of you. [/quote] If you truly did any research, you wouldn't have bothered putting "sharia law" as the blame in the first place. But seeing as your sources probably aren't the most authentic, I'll explain for you. Just like how different states have varying laws about important things such as gay marriage, sharia law is extremely flexible from community to community and region to region. For example, Muslims in the West Africa region tend to follow the Maliki school of thought which has it's own set of laws, rules etc. etc, while an area such as Pakistan might follow a Hanafi-style sharia law settings. I'm not expecting you to memorize ALL school of thought, but to honestly go making the dangerous assumptions you just made without making proper research just reeks of prejudice. I have familiarized myself with the rules that generally apply to Muslims (that generally live the US who don't follow any single school of thought) and while they do prohibit pre-marital sexual relations, they don't even begin to get as radical as what you're thinking. This particular case is a bit special since there don't appear to be any lines from the Quran or any authentic ahadith that seem to have been "misunderstood". This case, like many of the others in headlines, is the result a single Imam or a small coalition of Imams who declare certain things to be "haram" or prohibited when in reality they fit in a more gray area and honestly don't even have a punishment beyond a small scolding (which would be entirely up to the discretion of the parent as to whether even those small things are really wrong in the first place. Such as the consumption of Gelatin or the eating of foods hat may have come into contact with pig byproduct but aren't exactly pig products themselves). The reality is, these parents where either one of two camps: 1) They were simply sociopathic/psychopathic monsters just waiting to unload their violence on the world or 2) they attended a closed off Mosque that probably had extremist views or was at least pretty radical compared to the guidelines they were supposed to follow under Islam. I personally came up with a theory as to why extremists seems to persist in existing in modern day Islam where as other religions seem to have weeded out the loud extremist views a while ago. And I think it might have something to do with the initial tolerance (ironically enough). Unlike some of the other major religions, Islams "schism" was and currently remains mostly along political and cultural lines rather than actual theological difference. I myself am not very well versed in the differences between Shia and Sunni Islam, but the most radical difference seems to be the call to prayer. Other than that, Sunni and Shia could pray side by side and there wouldn't be any confusion or arguments about who is really right. They both mostly have the same story right up until who was rightly supposed to become the next Caliph and inherit and maintain Islam. This major difference may have been the reason that Islam didn't develop the same way other major religions did (I'm no expert in the development of religions so you'll have to take my analysis with a grain of salt). But to be honest, the most important difference might have been the fact that while the Church might have (initially at least) fought early scientific advances, Islam never really did (nor did it probably want to but that's a whole nother debate altogether) fight it and as such never had to evolve (oh the irony) and change as dynamically as the Church did (again, I'm no expert and mostly what I'm referring to is early Catholic and early Anglican arguments. If there is someone who has more knowledge on this subject that I seem to be lacking in, please chip in) and as such, isolated areas could, in theory, mutate and develop different ideals than other regions of mainstream Islam. Pakistans relatively recent independence (1956 methinks but apparently wikipedia says they didn't have democratic elections till 1970) means centuries of age old perversions of the original ideals would naturally cause conflict and would seem extremely outlandish even to fellow Muslims. Lack of discussion with fellow Muslims and others in the past is probably the reason why so many extreme ideas persist in regions such as Pakistan. While these sorts of things seem to be happening all over the Muslim World, it's more due to the fractured nature of modern day Islam than any "violent" ideals in Islam itself. tl;dr Go read the dang thing yourself you baka >.> In lieu of the Debate section, I have decided to make a wall of text for you to analyze for grammatical errors. I caught myself using "your" instead of "you're" so happy hunting I suppose =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='iKira' timestamp='1352419725' post='6064214'] If you truly did any research, you wouldn't have bothered putting "sharia law" as the blame in the first place. But seeing as your sources probably aren't the most authentic, I'll explain for you. Just like how different states have varying laws about important things such as gay marriage, sharia law is extremely flexible from community to community and region to region. For example, Muslims in the West Africa region tend to follow the Maliki school of thought which has it's own set of laws, rules etc. etc, while an area such as Pakistan might follow a Hanafi-style sharia law settings. I'm not expecting you to memorize ALL school of thought, but to honestly go making the dangerous assumptions you just made without making proper research just reeks of prejudice. I have familiarized myself with the rules that generally apply to Muslims (that generally live the US who don't follow any single school of thought) and while they do prohibit pre-marital sexual relations, they don't even begin to get as radical as what you're thinking. This particular case is a bit special since there don't appear to be any lines from the Quran or any authentic ahadith that seem to have been "misunderstood". This case, like many of the others in headlines, is the result a single Imam or a small coalition of Imams who declare certain things to be "haram" or prohibited when in reality they fit in a more gray area and honestly don't even have a punishment beyond a small scolding (which would be entirely up to the discretion of the parent as to whether even those small things are really wrong in the first place. Such as the consumption of Gelatin or the eating of foods hat may have come into contact with pig byproduct but aren't exactly pig products themselves). The reality is, these parents where either one of two camps: 1) They were simply sociopathic/psychopathic monsters just waiting to unload their violence on the world or 2) they attended a closed off Mosque that probably had extremist views or was at least pretty radical compared to the guidelines they were supposed to follow under Islam. I personally came up with a theory as to why extremists seems to persist in existing in modern day Islam where as other religions seem to have weeded out the loud extremist views a while ago. And I think it might have something to do with the initial tolerance (ironically enough). Unlike some of the other major religions, Islams "schism" was and currently remains mostly along political and cultural lines rather than actual theological difference. I myself am not very well versed in the differences between Shia and Sunni Islam, but the most radical difference seems to be the call to prayer. Other than that, Sunni and Shia could pray side by side and there wouldn't be any confusion or arguments about who is really right. They both mostly have the same story right up until who was rightly supposed to become the next Caliph and inherit and maintain Islam. This major difference may have been the reason that Islam didn't develop the same way other major religions did (I'm no expert in the development of religions so you'll have to take my analysis with a grain of salt). But to be honest, the most important difference might have been the fact that while the Church might have (initially at least) fought early scientific advances, Islam never really did (nor did it probably want to but that's a whole nother debate altogether) fight it and as such never had to evolve (oh the irony) and change as dynamically as the Church did (again, I'm no expert and mostly what I'm referring to is early Catholic and early Anglican arguments. If there is someone who has more knowledge on this subject that I seem to be lacking in, please chip in) and as such, isolated areas could, in theory, mutate and develop different ideals than other regions of mainstream Islam. Pakistans relatively recent independence (1956 methinks but apparently wikipedia says they didn't have democratic elections till 1970) means centuries of age old perversions of the original ideals would naturally cause conflict and would seem extremely outlandish even to fellow Muslims. Lack of discussion with fellow Muslims and others in the past is probably the reason why so many extreme ideas persist in regions such as Pakistan. While these sorts of things seem to be happening all over the Muslim World, it's more due to the fractured nature of modern day Islam than any "violent" ideals in Islam itself. tl;dr Go read the dang thing yourself you baka >.> In lieu of the Debate section, I have decided to make a wall of text for you to analyze for grammatical errors. I caught myself using "your" instead of "you're" so happy hunting I suppose =/ [/quote] This all makes sense and I realize my Prejudiced talk. Post will be deleted henceforth. Thank you for informing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 EDT: sorry, didn't see your post there =/ We'll just pretend this post didn't exist until I delete it mmkay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garthfunkle Vii Backwards Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Why was the father/husband carrying acid around? Leaving the house picks up container on table by front door: in case my dather disgrace me today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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