newhat Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 [img]http://i.imgur.com/Av45i.png[/img]After seeing the other Constellars I figure I'll post mine with a few pointless justifications. Every monster in this Deck can be used with no advance Graveyard or field setup. Leonis makes Sheratan into a +0 Messier, Gaia or Zenmaines. 2 Tenki because getting Kaust as early as possible is worth the chance of the dead draw later. Photon Thrasher to bait Rai-Oh and because it works on Turn 1 and combos with Pollux, Sombres and (usually) Schet, whereas Cyber Dragon and Ghost Ship only work with Kaust. Sangan searches a whole bunch of things including Honest. Starsign is "winmore"; it can dump a big bucket of plusses, but it's dependent on the opponent not shutting down your things and it's a horrible topdeck. Supernova is a cool +1 and a great topdeck, but it's useless in the early game. Xyz Reborn gives me back Pleiades but it's not live as often as Call of the Haunted and can't be recycled with Pleiades. So far, this has mostly good matchups although Pleiades is the only reliable card to pressure Wind-Ups. Tell me what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I play with a variant of Sacreds as well, and was considering in taking out the Starsigns for the reasons you mention, and also you don't feel forced to Xyz a Sacred because Starsign is active while a generic Xyz might be a better choice fo the situation. How well is your Deck working without them? You are missing the infamous Warnings of the Solemn Brigade. You could take out the Book of Moon and the Safe Zone for them. Or the Soul Taker, I don't know. You got several single Spell/Traps that could be swapped; only you know which are most useful for you and which could be replaced. Maybe you could put the Roach on the Side, given that not all Decks will use high-Level monsters, and instead include another generic Rank 4 such as Maestroke, Papilloperative or Lavalval Chain for Sombres plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Have you ever dead drawn Tenki? If you have youll find its f***ing awful at more than 1 Starsign is in no way win moar. Its the appeal of running Constellars over other things. Saying its win more is like saying Gate of the Six is win more Personally dont like supernova either so eh Xyz Reborn @1 is way better than Call. If youre doing it right its only dead turn 1/2 Thrasher would be much better as Cyber Dragons At that your deck is way too "Let me abuse Pleiades pls". Youre not running better cards i nthe name of bouncing for reuse. Pleiades shouldnt just be used on yourself Leonis is awful and you should run 3 Sombres. Sombres is a god send because she removes the need for a cloggy level 3 double summon Roach should be a Maestroke and Zenmaines should be Papilloperative. Id say 33 over Hyades but you arent running the Level 5s like you should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Frex' timestamp='13000006847' post='6048146'] I play with a variant of Sacreds as well, and was considering in taking out the Starsigns for the reasons you mention, and also you don't feel forced to Xyz a Sacred because Starsign is active while a generic Xyz might be a better choice fo the situation. How well is your Deck working without them? [/quote] I don't get a +1 every turn, but I have a Trap defense. That's basically it. [quote name='Frex' timestamp='1351111847' post='6048146'] You are missing the infamous Warnings of the Solemn Brigade. You could take out the Book of Moon and the Safe Zone for them. Or the Soul Taker, I don't know. You got several single Spell/Traps that could be swapped; only you know which are most useful for you and which could be replaced. [/quote] Safe Zone and Book of Moon are useful for protecting my monsters if the combos get screwed up while my opponent has a monster out already, especially Rai-Oh, and also for Lance-style protection. Warning is a devastating card, but Fiendish Chain fulfills most of the same purpose and Warning doesn't synergize with Pleiades. Book of Moon also allows me to get Skill Drain off the field if needed. [quote name='Frex' timestamp='1350622247' post='6048146']Maybe you could put the Roach on the Side, given that not all Decks will use high-Level monsters, and instead include another generic Rank 4 such as Maestroke, Papilloperative or Lavalval Chain for Sombres plays. [/quote] A good idea. Which would you suggest, and what should I remove from the Side? [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1350668410' post='6048185'] Have you ever dead drawn Tenki? If you have youll find its f***ing awful at more than 1 [/quote] Yes, I have, and I usually search Kaust with Sheratan too. I still prefer having a card I can't use to not drawing the lynchpin of my Deck at all. [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1322668410' post='6048185'] Starsign is in no way win moar. Its the appeal of running Constellars over other things. Saying its win more is like saying Gate of the Six is win more [/quote] Gateway works multiple times per turn and can win you the game outright, and the monsters you can search with Gateway can be Special Summoned immediately. It's natural for Constellars to make Constellar Xyzes, but it's not as automatic as "Normal or Special Summon". [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1311168410' post='6048185'] Xyz Reborn @1 is way better than Call. If youre doing it right its only dead turn 1/2 [/quote] That two-turn space is enough to stop me from running it. If your Omega died on Turn 2 chances are bringing it back with Xyz Reborn isn't going to do much. [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1311168410' post='6048185'] Thrasher would be much better as Cyber Dragons [/quote] I've been on and off about CyDra. It swings with your other monsters and makes an instant 5 with Kaust but it's dead at the start of the game and it's not searchable. There are 3 cards in this Deck that work with a lone CyDra vs. 10 that work with a lone Thrasher. [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1321111410' post='6048185'] At that your deck is way too "Let me abuse Pleiades pls". Youre not running better cards i nthe name of bouncing for reuse. Pleiades shouldnt just be used on yourself [/quote] It looks gimmicky, and it would be if I brought out Pleiades for that purpose. Each of the Continuous cards does something in particular to address a major threat (Rai-Oh, Inzektors, HERO Beat). I could use Warnings over Chains. [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1111668410' post='6048185'] Leonis is awful and you should run 3 Sombres. Sombres is a god send because she removes the need for a cloggy level 3 double summon [/quote] Sombres is powerful but she isn't as useful in the Opening as Sheratan. Leonis keeps my momentum with Sheratan, and works with Kaust and Schet. Leonis isn't as handy as Pollux but it's certainly not awful. [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1322668410' post='6048185'] Roach should be a Maestroke and Zenmaines should be Papilloperative. Id say 33 over Hyades but you arent running the Level 5s like you should be [/quote] Roach I'll change. Papilloperative doesn't seem necessary, although it combos with the Machu Mech you're suggesting. What is the purpose of #33? Combo with Paladius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='newhat' timestamp='1350670648' post='6048205'] Yes, I have, and I usually search Kaust with Sheratan too. I still prefer having a card I can't use to not drawing the lynchpin of my Deck at all. [/quote] Youd have 4 searchers plus the ability to recycle it. Having one more in exchange for jeopardizing later plays isnt worth it [quote name='newhat' timestamp='1350670648' post='6048205'] Gateway works multiple times per turn and can win you the game outright, and the monsters you can search with Gateway can be Special Summoned immediately. It's natural for Constellars to make Constellar Xyzes, but it's not as automatic as "Normal or Special Summon". [/quote] Star Sign can be used multiple times via Pleiades and/or Ptolemys thats been out. It also works on any Special Summon so Monster Reborn CotH or Xyz Reborn set it off as well [quote name='newhat' timestamp='1350670648' post='6048205'] That two-turn space is enough to stop me from running it. If your Omega died on Turn 2 chances are bringing it back with Xyz Reborn isn't going to do much [/quote] After those turns it can be a game winner a lot more than CotH can be [quote name='newhat' timestamp='1350670648' post='6048205'] I've been on and off about CyDra. It swings with your other monsters and makes an instant 5 with Kaust but it's dead at the start of the game and it's not searchable. There are 3 cards in this Deck that work with a lone CyDra vs. 10 that work with a lone Thrasher. [/quote] Personally I prefer Ghost Ship to CyDra but Thrasher never tested well at all for me [quote name='newhat' timestamp='1350670648' post='6048205'] It looks gimmicky, and it would be if I brought out Pleiades for that purpose. Each of the Continuous cards does something in particular to address a major threat (Rai-Oh, Inzektors, HERO Beat). I could use Warnings over Chains. [/quote] Even with it addressing specific threats there are better chainable cards you can run. Pleiades doesnt mean run bounceable stuff espeially when you only have 2 of him [quote name='newhat' timestamp='1350670648' post='6048205'] Sombres is powerful but she isn't as useful in the Opening as Sheratan. Leonis keeps my momentum with Sheratan, and works with Kaust and Schet. Leonis isn't as handy as Pollux but it's certainly not awful. [/quote] Sombres grabs from the grave not deck. She allows even more +0/1 plays that allow the deck to not lose any advantage. She shouldnt be run at less than 3 because she is Pollux clone at worst Leonis is also dead after the first couple turns. Its pretty awful after that and serves no utility. Summoning a Sheratan setting and passing is a good play and running Leonis is running a card that all around hurts the deck in exchange for a turn 1 combo [quote name='newhat' timestamp='1350670648' post='6048205'] Roach I'll change. Papilloperative doesn't seem necessary, although it combos with the Machu Mech you're suggesting. What is the purpose of #33? Combo with Paladius? [/quote] Papilloperative is all around more flexible than 50 so having both is nice. 33 can OTK with Paladius fairly easily for multiple 3-4 card combos. The 4 card combos are eh but the 3 Card combos are nice Aaaand I just noticed you arent running Gredi yet are running Leonis. Leonises should be Gredis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 D Prison and Soul Taker seem strange, are they pulling through for you? I also agree that 2 Tenki is not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1350671586' post='6048221'] Youd have 4 searchers plus the ability to recycle it. Having one more in exchange for jeopardizing later plays isnt worth it [/quote] I understand, and I don't agree. 2 are not needed, but they greatly increase the speed of the Deck. [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1350671586' post='6048221'] Star Sign can be used multiple times via Pleiades and/or Ptolemys thats been out. It also works on any Special Summon so Monster Reborn CotH or Xyz Reborn set it off as well [/quote] Starsign to Pleiades to Starsign to Messier is a waste of a Pleiades, and Ptolemys can only bounce monsters. It's a nice card, but I think it's "winmoar" as it doesn't do anything if your Deck isn't executing its combos, and it makes Bottomless more damaging to you. [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1350671586' post='6048221'] After those turns it can be a game winner a lot more than CotH can be [/quote] I prize consistency over power. Reviving a Pleiades in chain to MST and gigging the BP is hilarious but it's not reliable, at least in here where Rank 4 is more common. [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1000671586' post='6048221'] Even with it addressing specific threats there are better chainable cards you can run. Pleiades doesnt mean run bounceable stuff espeially when you only have 2 of him [/quote] I have yet to "run out" of Pleiades. The stuff is useful on its own. Being recyclable is a bonus. [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1350688886' post='6048221'] Sombres grabs from the grave not deck. She allows even more +0/1 plays that allow the deck to not lose any advantage. She shouldnt be run at less than 3 because she is Pollux clone at worst[/quote] Sombres relies on having cards in the Graveyard. Constellars put them in the Graveyard very fast, but there are still times when she'll have nothing to return. [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1351111586' post='6048221']Leonis is also dead after the first couple turns. Its pretty awful after that and serves no utility. Summoning a Sheratan setting and passing is a good play and running Leonis is running a card that all around hurts the deck in exchange for a turn 1 combo[/quote] This Deck doesn't lose advantage easily; Leonis almost always has something to pair up with. I think playing Sheratan face-down isn't a good idea. [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1350671586' post='6048221'] Papilloperative is all around more flexible than 50 so having both is nice. 33 can OTK with Paladius fairly easily for multiple 3-4 card combos. The 4 card combos are eh but the 3 Card combos are nice[/quote] I don't think that capacity is necessary. [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1350221586' post='6048221'] Aaaand I just noticed you arent running Gredi yet are running Leonis. Leonises should be Gredis [/quote] Leonis is mainly to keep Sheratan live without losing speed. I'd add Gredi if I wanted more fours. [quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1222672137' post='6048229'] D Prison and Soul Taker seem strange, are they pulling through for you? I also agree that 2 Tenki is not needed. [/quote] Soul Taker, absolutely. Besides killing Rai-Oh it baits out protective cards. D-Prison's not critical but it's wonderful with Omega and it helps cushion against Veilers. Both of them are good topdecks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 What about Mind Control? This is an Extra Deck deck, afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1350222244' post='6048251'] What about Mind Control? This is an Extra Deck deck, afterall. [/quote] I can't use Mind Control easily because of the prevalence of Xyzes. I think it's unreliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Sangan also seems slow now that you have stuff like Tenki and Sombres, it may be unneeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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