ihop Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120429212131/yugioh/images/1/1d/PhotonPapilloperative-GAOV-EN-R-1E.png[/img] One of my favourite Xyz and deserves the second rank 4 spot after Maestroke IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 It's only that way because of Rat. It should be Blackship = Maestroke > this > Silverthingamajig > Utopia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 I forgot Black Corn as I'm an IRL player. It's not just used for Rat either, it picks off Reapers and pushes for game very easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 No one used this before Wind-ups became the big thing. :/ And I'd wish they'd release Blackship already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderVolt Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 my 4th go-to Rank 4 Xyz. have 2 irl thanks to how cheap it is and yeah, it really does help push for game, or extensive-damage. LIGHT is also a + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1350507524' post='6046830'] No one used this before Wind-ups became the big thing. :/ And I'd wish they'd release Blackship already. [/quote] I used this before Wind-Ups. It can fuel the Madolche OTK as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 The only thing I kinda find iffy about this card is that its effect only works on a monster in deffence when most games involve having monsters in ATK unless the opponent using flip effect monsters like Ryko or Snowman Eater which would destroy the Photon Butterfly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name='kingdom Neos' timestamp='1350508640' post='6046848'] The only thing I kinda find iffy about this card is that its effect only works on a monster in deffence when most games involve having monsters in ATK unless the opponent using flip effect monsters like Ryko or Snowman Eater which would destroy the Photon Butterfly. [/quote] [s]If you use this on the set Ryko or Snowman Eater, I believe their effects don't activate unless I'm wrong.[/s] nvm this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name='~British Soul~' timestamp='1350508804' post='6046853'] If you use this on the set Ryko or Snowman Eater, I believe their effects don't activate unless I'm wrong. [/quote] The card doesn't state that flip effect's don't activate through this cards effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name='kingdom Neos' timestamp='1350508907' post='6046857'] The card doesn't state that flip effect's don't activate through this cards effect. [/quote] I checked rulings and yeah Ryko/Snowman Eater would rape it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Id use this before 50 50 has a lot less utility than this and I dont get why people think 50 outweighs this 50 is equal to or less than Papilloperative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1350509045' post='6046862'] Id use this before 50 50 has a lot less utility than this and I dont get why people think 50 outweighs this 50 is equal to or less than Papilloperative [/quote] I'm biased because Agents can easily get both Blackship and Gachi out, and being able to send Stardust Dragon by Blackship and still OTK your opponent is quite nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1350509045' post='6046862'] Id use this before 50 50 has a lot less utility than this and I dont get why people think 50 outweighs this 50 is equal to or less than Papilloperative [/quote] 50 Outweights this due to how 50's effect can take out a monster and then inflict a 1000 point burn and if you give 50 a power boost from say "Axe of Dispare" making it ATK 3100 which then allows it to destroy any monster with 3100 ATK or less making it that little bit more versitile than Photon Butterfly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 The fact that 50 picks off stuff like Zenmaines makes it better IMO but this can just be used to punish people for playing defensively, and can also reveal set cards before you actually have to attack them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name=%26amp%3B%2339%3Bkingdom%2520Neos%26amp%3B%2339%3B timestamp='1350509364' post='6046868'] 50 Outweights this due to how 50's effect can take out a monster and then inflict a 1000 point burn and if you give 50 a power boost from say "Axe of Dispare" making it ATK 3100 which then allows it to destroy any monster with 3100 ATK or less making it that little bit more versitile than Photon Butterfly.[/quote]Did you really just use Axe of Despair as an argument? Are you seriously that terrible at this game? No papilloperative is better. Papilloperative gets you to the same goal more often than not and usually increases the damage. The butterfly can also combo with Maestroke. The chance of your opponent setting a monster is far more likely than the chance of them having something 2100 or less. In order for 50 to be as versatile as Butterfly it needs support in the form of a Forbidden Quickplay Spell or something else to boost its ATK or hinder the opponents ATK. Chump blockers are about the only time that 50 does it better and Papilloperative can get the job done just fine there.Of course you should run both if you have space but butterfly before corn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name='kingdom Neos' timestamp='1350509364' post='6046868'] 50 Outweights this due to how 50's effect can take out a monster and then inflict a 1000 point burn and if you give 50 a power boost from say "[b]Axe of Dispare" [/b] [/quote] I stopped reading after that. Anyways, Papi has a few things over Number 50 (or will most likely have anyway): It's cheap to get It's LIGHT Black corn with Agents though...that's quite something, especially if you're able to bring out not 1 but 2 Gachis for a 2900 monster that hand picks off other monsters like a boss In DN though, Black Corn > Papi. Zemaines is still Zenmaines...and so is Maestroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1350509700' post='6046874'] Did you really just use Axe of Despair as an argument? Are you seriously that terrible at this game? No papilloperative is better. Papilloperative gets you to the same goal more often than not and usually increases the damage. The butterfly can also combo with Maestroke. The chance of your opponent setting a monster is far more likely than the chance of them having something 2100 or less. In order for 50 to be as versatile as Butterfly it needs support in the form of a Forbidden Quickplay Spell or something else to boost its ATK or hinder the opponents ATK. Chump blockers are about the only time that 50 does it better and Papilloperative can get the job done just fine there.Of course you should run both if you have space but butterfly before corn [/quote] Hi there Brandon. See, I knew I was right! OT: Can we just say that each Rank 4 that we have out right now fulfills its said purpose in the format? Papilloperative stops [s]Ryko/Snowman[/s]/Geargia, Maestroke is a free BoM, Shock Master trolls hard with effect negation, I honestly don't know what Silvermountain does because I haven't looked at it yet, and Utopia sucks, outside of chaos fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name='%E3%81%BF%E3%82%86%E3%81%8D%E3%82%B5%E3%83%B3' timestamp='1350509952' post='6046881'] Hi there Brandon. See, I knew I was right! OT: Can we just say that each Rank 4 that we have out right now fulfills its said purpose in the format? Papilloperative stops Ryko/Snowman/Geargia, Maestroke is a free BoM, Shock Master trolls hard with effect negation, I honestly don't know what Silvermountain does because I haven't looked at it yet, and Utopia sucks, outside of chaos fodder. [/quote] Again... who? I've seen kingom neos on Neo Ark and hes just as bad there as here Papilloperative doesn't stop flip effects... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Whoops. I meant it only stopped Geargiarmor. And I must be confusing Silvermountain with something else, because Silvermountain is a R3. [quote]And the idiot of the day award goes to me.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas★Zero Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name='Masked Puppet' timestamp='1350509700' post='6046874'] Did you really just use Axe of Despair as an argument? Are you seriously that terrible at this game? [/quote] I was only using it as an example of any type of power boost, what did you want me to use Axe of Fools. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Believe it stops Ryko, too, as it would miss timing to activate, but I'm not entirely sure on that. I'm told they ruled such at a YCS but I haven't cared enough to research it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name=%26amp%3B%2339%3Bkingdom%2520Neos%26amp%3B%2339%3B timestamp='1350510401' post='6046896'] I was only using it as an example of any type of power boost, what did you want me to use Axe of Fools. >_>[/quote]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Forbidden_LanceIts pretty well known and is obviously superior to a random equip spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name='Thunder Spark' timestamp='1350510424' post='6046897'] Believe it stops Ryko, too, as it would miss timing to activate, but I'm not entirely sure on that. I'm told they ruled such at a YCS but I haven't cared enough to research it. [/quote] I think if it says "FLIP:", it's a mandatory effect. Both Ryko and Snowman have this clause, but Geargiarmor misses timing because it states "When...you can". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKaitoKid Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Love it! The art is nice and the effects gets over Reaper and other face-downs. I remember running into a set Veiler and absolutely WRECKING face with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 [quote name='みゆきサン' timestamp='1350510528' post='6046904'] I think if it says "FLIP:", it's a mandatory effect. Both Ryko and Snowman have this clause, but Geargiarmor misses timing because it states "When...you can". [/quote] Snowman doesn't say "FLIP:", it says in the effect "When this card is flipped face up..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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