ITT: A new boss for Glads so Gyzarus can go

[Mugendramon]

[color=#800080][b]Gladiator Beast Commodus[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Level 7/WIND[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b][Reptile/Fusion/Effect][/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]2000 ATK/2000 DEF[/b][/color]

[color=#800080][b]"Gladiator Beast Secutor" + 2 "Gladiator Beast" monsters[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Must first be Special Summoned (from your Extra Deck) by shuffling the above cards you control into the Deck. (You do not use "Polymerization".) While you control this face-up card: Neither player can Summon monsters with an ATK higher than the ATK of the "Gladiator Beast" monster you control with the highest ATK.[/b][/color]

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

You are aware that Secutor is complete toilet paper, right? And you are aware that this new Fusion is complete toilet paper when compared against Gyzarus...

...right?

First off, it takes three materials to use, contrary to the standard two. Also, if this is the only card that you have on the field, the only things you can pretty much summon are Hoplomus, Murmillo, Secuterribad, and Bestiari (there might be something else I'm missing, but you get the point), only one of which has applicable Fusion Materials for one of the better Gladiator Beast Fusions.

Secondly, it...uses Secuterribad, which I don't know if you have noticed, is...terribad. Make it use Murmillo; he doesn't get enough appreciation and he's okay.

Thirdly, this creates an unconditional lockdown with itself if it is the only Gladiator Beast under your control. You won't be able to run over it with anything less than 1500 ATK, and you won't be able to Summon anything over 1500 ATK to beat him down. But, that also works in reverse, because then you can't Summon a Laquari to go into Heraklinos.

Which is actually one of the better Gladiator Beast Fusions.

And before you give me that crap saying "well, you shouldn't Fusion Summon it with an empty field", the fact is you shouldn't. At best, it only stalls your opponent for one turn before you realize, "oh hey, Essedarii is better than this toilet paper", and that's when you Summon Murmillo and fuse this with Mermaid and leave this for Darius Fodder.

I'd fix the effect first before this gets anywhere, like saying "Neither player can Summon monsters with an ATK lower than the ATK of the "Gladiator Beast" monster you control with the highest ATK". That way, you can still maintain field presence with Laquari/Darius/Dimacari (hey, I've seen Dimacari tech'd in on a couple of occasions) and still be able to Fusion Summon to Gyzarus to blow up their field, Heraklinos to stop their Spells from activating, or Essedarii to serve as a beatstick.

It has great execution, but it just doesn't look good on paper. Toilet paper, that is.

[Mugendramon]

[quote name="Devil's Advocate" timestamp='1348154390' post='6028662']
You are aware that Secutor is complete toilet paper, right? And you are aware that this new Fusion is complete toilet paper when compared against Gyzarus...

...right?[/quote]

He is worse than Gyzarus, yes, certainly. Would you seriously want another Gyzarus-like card around? And Secutor is underrated.

[quote]
First off, it takes three materials to use, contrary to the standard two. Also, if this is the only card that you have on the field, the only things you can pretty much summon are Hoplomus, Murmillo, Secuterribad, and Bestiari (there might be something else I'm missing, but you get the point), only one of which has applicable Fusion Materials for one of the better Gladiator Beast Fusions.[/quote]

Oh sorry, I didn't notice the card says I can't control any other Glads before making this. And, Retiari.

[quote]
Secondly, it...uses Secuterribad, which I don't know if you have noticed, is...terribad. Make it use Murmillo; he doesn't get enough appreciation and he's okay.[/quote]

Secutor can be ran @1 just fine as a tech. After all with A Hero Lives or Test Tiget a Secutor in hand can be used to a degree.

[quote]
Thirdly, this creates an unconditional lockdown with itself if it is the only Gladiator Beast under your control. You won't be able to run over it with anything less than 1500 ATK, and you won't be able to Summon anything over 1500 ATK to beat him down. But, that also works in reverse, because then you can't Summon a Laquari to go into Heraklinos.[/quote]

...Thank you for... pointing out exactly what it's intended to do?

[quote]
Which is actually one of the better Gladiator Beast Fusions.[/quote]

Sir, there are 4 existing Fusions.

Gaiodaz is s***, Gyzarus is by far the best, and right after it comes Essedarii. Heraklinos is the third. So if "one of the better" is the second to worst...

[quote]
And before you give me that crap saying "well, you shouldn't Fusion Summon it with an empty field", the fact is you shouldn't. At best, it only stalls your opponent for one turn before you realize, "oh hey, Essedarii is better than this toilet paper", and that's when you Summon Murmillo and fuse this with Mermaid and leave this for Darius Fodder.[/quote]

Feel free to give me a list of Decks that can win without summoning anything above 1500.

[quote]
I'd fix the effect first before this gets anywhere, like saying "Neither player can Summon monsters with an ATK lower than the ATK of the "Gladiator Beast" monster you control with the highest ATK". That way, you can still maintain field presence with Laquari/Darius/Dimacari (hey, I've seen Dimacari tech'd in on a couple of occasions) and still be able to Fusion Summon to Gyzarus to blow up their field, Heraklinos to stop their Spells from activating, or Essedarii to serve as a beatstick.[/quote]

The purpose of this is essentially "your Glads will always have more ATK than your opponent's anything". Tagging Bestiari, Murmillo and Retiari is a perfectly good control strategy, and your opponent can't Summon anything to win themselves.

>Mentions Dimacari
>Calls Secutor bad

[quote]It has great execution, but it just doesn't look good on paper. Toilet paper, that is.
[/quote]

I appreciate the review, but I think you ought to play Glads some more before criticizing.

Something cool is that this can be used with Lance, commonly played in Glads, to restrict the opponent's plays even more AND protect this from removal during their turn.

High horses are for good players.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348155561' post='6028675']

I appreciate the review, but I think you ought to play Glads some more before criticizing.

Something cool is that this can be used with Lance, commonly played in Glads, to restrict the opponent's plays even more AND protect this from removal during their turn.

High horses are for good players.
[/quote]

I have actually played Glads before, and they suck this format. They're too slow to be of any value, and they aren't worth playing.

Wow, I didn't know you could run Lance in Gladiator Beasts. That's like...pure gold right there. O.o

When did I ever establish that I was on a high horse? I never ONCE said ANYTHING of the sort.

[Strider Tigerwolf]

Everyone seems to be making Gladiator Beast support now days...o wait, dats just me an a few. Time to dissect the card.

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348153032' post='6028655']
[color=#800080][b]Gladiator Beast Commodus[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Level 7/WIND[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b][Reptile/Fusion/Effect][/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]1500 ATK/1500 DEF[/b][/color]
[/quote]

Standard G. Beast name, WIND monster, Fusion for easy tech and...1500/1500 ATK/DEF? I'll see what you're doing with this.

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348153032' post='6028655']
[color=#800080][b]"Gladiator Beast Secutor" + 2 "Gladiator Beast" monsters[/b][/color]
[/quote]

I'm split. Heraklinos is looking far better already because of being a bigger monster that can negate stuff, and the fact that it uses Laquari (staple) to be brought out. Secutor (although it has it's potential) is really not worth running in Glads because it can be a dead card in hand and just down right unusable when summoned. The only times you'll get to get his effect going will be when you KNOW you can attack and there is near to 0 chance of anything happening, which in the current meta is rare when facing against Glad Beasts.

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348153032' post='6028655']
[color=#800080][b]Must first be Special Summoned (from your Extra Deck) by shuffling the above cards you control into the Deck. (You do not use "Polymerization".) While you control this face-up card: Neither player can Summon monsters with an ATK higher than the ATK of the "Gladiator Beast" monster you control with the highest ATK.[/b][/color]
[/quote]

Standard and...bad design. You have cut yourself off from most of the good Gladiator Beasts if you Summon him by himself except Bestiari, from the wording it can't be used to Fusion Summon a monster with higher ATK than itself INCLUDING other Gladiator Beasts which is going to cripple you in the long run especially since you don't have any viable targets to recycle Chariot, or dead Glads in your Graveyard and an opponent can feasibly match this monster with 1 Tour Guide as they'll just ram you with Zenmaines. Honestly this type of effect isn't necessary and frankly is as been said before: "Toiler Paper".


[quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1348156230' post='6028681']
I have actually played Glads before, and they suck this format. They're too slow to be of any value, and they aren't worth playing.
[/quote]

Technically they are NOW worth playing given the "Forbidden" Quickplay Spells. The reason they are a flexible archtype is because of the way they were synchronized. The big issue with them is that they are moderately weak and they are "predictable" 2 major issues that they have to deal with now and can be crippled by since Wind-Ups will just out advantage them, Dark Worlds will just overpower about 80% of the time, and other decks just destroy.

[quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1348156230' post='6028681']
Wow, I didn't know you could run Lance in Gladiator Beasts. That's like...pure gold right there. O.o
[/quote]

....did you....*facepalm*...oh dear god...

[quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1348156230' post='6028681']
When did I ever establish that I was on a high horse? I never ONCE said ANYTHING of the sort.
[/quote]

I'm ignoring this part.

[Mugendramon]

[quote name="Devil's Advocate" timestamp='1348156230' post='6028681']
When did I ever establish that I was on a high horse? I never ONCE said ANYTHING of the sort.
[/quote]

Oh, well the -And before you give me that crap saying "X"- is pretty high-horsey.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1348156648' post='6028693']

....did you....*facepalm*...oh dear god...

I'm ignoring this part.
[/quote]

Wow, everyone is being strangely idiotic today.

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348156659' post='6028694']
Oh, well the -And before you give me that crap saying "X"- is pretty high-horsey.
[/quote]

Not necessarily. I apologize if I came off as arrogant, but the fact still remains: it can be destroyed by the lamest of removal, and it's not worth the effort in bringing out.

[Mugendramon]

[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1348156648' post='6028693']
Secutor (although it has it's potential) is really not worth running in Glads because it can be a dead card in hand and just down right unusable when summoned.[/quote]

Like I said before, A Hero Lives and Test Tiger. Though it's true, mostly.

[quote]The only times you'll get to get his effect going will be when you KNOW you can attack and there is near to 0 chance of anything happening, which in the current meta is rare when facing against Glad Beasts.[/quote]

Geargias love setting stuff. Secutor just loves attacking into set stuff.

[quote]Standard and...bad design.[/quote]

Let's state what bad design is. Without being mean, that Glad in your sig is. Being allowed to plus like a madman is a stupid idea. Being Generic is ridiculous. Essedarii is already amazing as a vanilla.

Having an effect on Summon despite being generic is also ridiculous.

And worst of all generic tagging is ridiculous. A card like that would break Glads, being WORSE than Gyzarus. And mine is bad design...?

[size=4][quote][/size]You have cut yourself off from most of the good Gladiator Beasts if you Summon him by himself except Bestiari[size=4][/quote][/size]

A. Retiari is also good.

B. If you already control a Glad, it is evidently unaffected. Dante did point that out.


[size=4][quote][/size] from the wording it can't be used to Fusion Summon a monster with higher ATK than itself INCLUDING other Gladiator Beasts[size=4][/quote][/size]
I wondered about this point. My intention was to allow him to be used in fusions, but I really wasn't sure how to write that out. If you could tell me that much, I'd be glad.

[size=4][quote][/size]which is going to cripple you in the long run especially since you don't have any viable targets to recycle Chariot, or dead Glads in your Graveyard[size=4][/quote][/size]

Again, I'd like to know how do you intend to beat me without Summoning anything besides TGU.

[size=4][quote][/size]and an opponent can feasibly match this monster with 1 Tour Guide as they'll just ram you with Zenmaines. Honestly this type of effect isn't necessary and frankly is as been said before: "Toiler Paper".[size=4][/quote][/size]

This bit is true, and as such his ATK will go up to 2000. That also fixes the "you can't use your other glads" problem, while still giving the finger to most bosses in the game. And lance can still do the trick if you needed it during your opponent's turn.


Again, thanks for the review.

[quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1348157099' post='6028709']
It can be destroyed by the lamest of removal, and it's not worth the effort in bringing out.
[/quote]

Except for [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Gladiator_Beast_War_Chariot"]Monster Effects[/url] and "Frog the Jam".

And again, Lance and Shroud are played in Glads.

[Strider Tigerwolf]

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348157682' post='6028730']
Like I said before, A Hero Lives and Test Tiger. Though it's true, mostly.
[/quote]

Alive Glads are viable but not the best.

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348157682' post='6028730']
Geargias love setting stuff. Secutor just loves attacking into set stuff.
[/quote]

That's only 1 match up .-.

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348157682' post='6028730']
Let's state what bad design is. Without being mean, that Glad in your sig is. Being allowed to plus like a madman is a stupid idea. Being Generic is ridiculous. Essedarii is already amazing as a vanilla.
[/quote]

I suppose my wording was incorrect. It's not "bad design" it's bad for Gladiators. They WANT to tag out. They WANT to get their effects off and they WANT to be viable. With a 1500 ATK and anti-Summon clause, this effectively shuts down your deck about 60%+ since your best plays involve most said monsters.

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348157682' post='6028730']
Having an effect on Summon despite being generic is also ridiculous.

And worst of all generic tagging is ridiculous. A card like that would break Glads, being WORSE than Gyzarus. And mine is bad design...?
[/quote]

I'd rather talk about this one in its thread please :3 Right now we're arguing your card.

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348157682' post='6028730']
A. Retiari is also good.

B. If you already control a Glad, it is evidently unaffected. Dante did point that out.
[/quote]

A. Obvious statement is obvious.

B. "IF" is the key word.

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348157682' post='6028730']
I wondered about this point. My intention was to allow him to be used in fusions, but I really wasn't sure how to write that out. If you could tell me that much, I'd be glad.
[/quote]

"[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)][b]While you control this face-up card: Neither player can Summon monsters with an ATK higher than the ATK of the "Gladiator Beast" monster you control with the highest ATK, except "Gladiator Beast" Fusion Monsters.[/b][/background][/size][/font][/color][color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)] "[/background][/size][/font][/color]

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348157682' post='6028730']
Again, I'd like to know how do you intend to beat me without Summoning anything besides TGU.
[/quote]

Soul Taker, Dark Hole, Skill Drain, Compulsory, D. Prison (Granted you attack which admit it, if you're a Glad Beast player, this is a big one), Warning, Tourguide, Wind-Up Shark, Wind-Up Zenmaity, Genex Undine with the cost of Atlantean Armsman, should I keep going?

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348157682' post='6028730']
This bit is true, and as such his ATK will go up to 2000. That also fixes the "you can't use your other glads" problem, while still giving the finger to most bosses in the game. And lance can still do the trick if you needed it during your opponent's turn.
[/quote]

That...still looks iffy. But because I'm given the option of most Glad Beast monsters I suppose that's feasible.

[quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1348157682' post='6028730']
Again, thanks for the review.
[/quote]

You are welcome my good sir.

[Mugendramon]

[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1348158362' post='6028746']
Alive Glads are viable but not the best.[/quote]

Preference, doesn't add much to the argument.

[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1348158362' post='6028746']That's only 1 match up .-.[/quote]

Well the side exists for that reason.

[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1348158362' post='6028746']I suppose my wording was incorrect. It's not "bad design" it's bad for Gladiators. They WANT to tag out. They WANT to get their effects off and they WANT to be viable. With a 1500 ATK and anti-Summon clause, this effectively shuts down your deck about 60%+ since your best plays involve most said monsters.[/quote]

Fair enough, hence fix.


[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1348158362' post='6028746']A. Obvious statement is obvious.[/quote]

Just replying to you saying Bestiari was the only good one I had access to.

[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1348158362' post='6028746']B. "IF" is the key word.[/quote]

I'm just going to say this is obvious and you didn't need to point it out.

[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1348158362' post='6028746']"[color=#800080][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)][b]While you control this face-up card: Neither player can Summon monsters with an ATK higher than the ATK of the "Gladiator Beast" monster you control with the highest ATK, except "Gladiator Beast" Fusion Monsters.[/b][/background][/size][/font][/color][color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)] "[/background][/size][/font][/color][/quote]

The problem with this wording is that you can ignore it and fuse a Retiari and Bestiari into Essedari/Gyzarus like the restriction was nonexistant. That isn't the best of ideas in terms of balance.

[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1348158362' post='6028746']Soul Taker, Dark Hole, Skill Drain, Compulsory, D. Prison (Granted you attack which admit it, if you're a Glad Beast player, this is a big one), Warning[/quote]

Should have been more specific, but I meant monsters.

[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1348158362' post='6028746'][A bunch of monsters][/quote]

For everything else, there is [s]Mastercard[/s] Chariot.


[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1348158362' post='6028746']That...still looks iffy. But because I'm given the option of most Glad Beast monsters I suppose that's feasible.[/quote]

Deal.

[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1348158362' post='6028746']
You are welcome my good sir.
[/quote]

:3