newhat Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 [img]http://i.imgur.com/S2C9U.png[/img] I was running 3 Upstarts but wanted Asceticism targets for [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Legendary_Six_Samurai_-_Enishi"]Kageki[/url] and [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/The_Six_Samurai_-_Zanji"]Kizan[/url]. Shadow generates Bushido Counters. Gandiva, like Beast, doesn't often activate his/her effect. 5 sides against Chaos Dragons because Shi En does nothing. Comments, suggestions, Extra Deck beefs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipermatt96 Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 No dojo's or heavy wtf. And sangan and upstarts also = wtf. And flamvell uriquez that's the worst of them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted August 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 [quote name='vipermatt96' timestamp='1399069056' post='6013863'] No dojo's or heavy wtf. And sangan and upstarts also = wtf. And flamvell uriquez that's the worst of them all [/quote] I'm not using Dojo because it's slow compared to United or Upstart Goblin. Nothing really wrong with Dojo. I'm not using Heavy because...Well, long story short, there aren't a lot of commonly used Traps the Deck can't deal with. Sangan searches a few useful cards and thins the Deck. Upstart also thins the Deck--this is a control Deck, and a OTK is not as important as consistency. Uruquizas has since been replaced by Gaia Knight, not that either one is critical. They just end the game faster. Thanks for the bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Don't main Veiler. It's pretty bad against most of the worst matchups of this deck. Main Heavy over Dark Hole. I still think DEST is bad. Wat @ Shroud. Single compulsory seems out of place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Double-Edged Sword Technique is really bad this format. You should be running 2 Bottomless Trap Hole and 1 Musakani Magatama; that Compulsory Evacuation Device seems out of place, as the above said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Why are people saying double edge is bad? I didn't know going Nat Beast after I go Shi En is a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Brio is getting banned soon, you should get a replacement for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1346309644' post='6015862'] Why are people saying double edge is bad? I didn't know going Nat Beast after I go Shi En is a bad thing. [/quote] It's bad because it's usually either a win more or a dead draw. It's also slow, which is something this deck doesn't need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 From what I've seen Double Edge wins games or puts you back into them...with how fast Sams syncho its usually never dead as you usually have stuff in the grave to bring back. I say run @ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted August 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1346286829' post='6015704'] Don't main Veiler. It's pretty bad against most of the worst matchups of this deck. Main Heavy over Dark Hole. I still think DEST is bad. Wat @ Shroud. Single compulsory seems out of place. [/quote] This has a horrible matchup against Inzektors because the only Extra Deck answer I have is Landoise. I'm not in love with Veiler because of Chaos Dragons though. Dark Hole kills Rai-Oh, who dicks me up if I go second and don't have Grandmaster. On paper Heavy works better, but DN as I've dealt with it is terrified of setting more than 1 card unless they have Road. I am neutral on DEST. This Deck's gotta go fast. Bottomless would be fine, but this Deck doesn't do well in simple games. Shroud provides defense from monster effects and helps get over monsters when I can't Xyz (Rai-Oh again). Compulsory clogs at 3. 1 is useful for defense with Shi En and for dodging Rai-Oh or Veilers. Magatama could also work against Mr. Thunder King but I'm more worried about attacks than effects. Bottomless could replace it. Bottom line...Veilers can go, DESTs can go, Compulsory can go, don't care about Heavy, -2 DEST +2 Bottomless Trap Hole and swap Compulsory for Magatama. For Brio, how about Black Rose Dragon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Double-Edged Sword Technique is bad because not only do they not need it, like you said, it's winmore. What's the point? The Deck plays much more consistently without topdecking a somewhat situational Trap that is really only good during your turn unless you need to save yourself from losing the game. It used to be a lot more viable but now it's not necessary because the entire playstyle of Sams has changed so much. Compulsory is really, really good in here, but if you don't want to run it I guess that's a personal preference. However in testing I've found Bottomless Trap Hole to be much better, so take that as you will. It's not bad to splash a BRD in there if only because it can get you out of a tight spot if you topdeck Grandmaster while you've got Kagemusha out or something. If you have the space, might as well use it for something like BRD as opposed to something that's not going to get the job done very effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Inzektors are dead in about 2 hours EST. Don't even think about them when deciding what to do. Double-Edged is amazing. Everyone else here, just stop. It's an insta-Xyz or Synchro by itself. Being a trap doesn't make it unplayable, it makes it balanced... well, more balanced. It's still pretty f*cking broken. It's "win more" as in FuFu was win more. Yeah, you probably don't need to run it, but your deck won't be as good as ones that do use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted September 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1346469999' post='6017012'] Double-Edged is amazing. Everyone else here, just stop. It's an insta-Xyz or Synchro by itself. Being a trap doesn't make it unplayable, it makes it balanced... well, more balanced. It's still pretty f*cking broken.\ [/quote] That sounds like what I was saying about Poison Draw. This Deck is built for extreme speed and keeping everything live at all times. DEST doesn't tune to that well. I think Bottomless, which could be useless against a monster that's already out, is good against Decks that produce big monsters I can't run over, and against Rai-Oh. I'm thinking of siding 2 Prohibition for Neos Alius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1346464549' post='6017012'] Double-Edged is amazing. Everyone else here, just stop. It's an insta-Xyz or Synchro by itself. Being a trap doesn't make it unplayable, it makes it balanced... well, more balanced. It's still pretty f*cking broken. It's "win more" as in FuFu was win more. Yeah, you probably don't need to run it, but your deck won't be as good as ones that do use it. [/quote] Do you even play the deck? o_o With how this format is, it being a trap really is a -huge- thing. It's either a dead draw (while losing,) gets MSTed in the End Phase, or helps you further secure a game state that you're already winning in- aka a win more card. It was helpful back in a format where you weren't constantly worried about getting your S/Ts destroyed (March 2011,) but by the nature of the card its only really good when your opponent has no follow-up to wiping out your swarm. Even then, those situations are vanishingly rare over the many more situations this deck can be in. And even -then,- it usually doesn't help you come back. Yes, it's "f***ing broken" when you pull it off in those circumstances, but this deck -really- doesn't need it more than it needs the other 40 cards you fit in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 After testing, Magatama has not worked at all against Solemns and stuff 'cause I don't usually have spare Samurai out. I keep dying to Game 1 Wind-Ups. Fiendish Chain might replace Bottomless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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