Evil Organization Smackdown! (Akatsuki vs. Espada)

[Yang Xiao-Long]

Alright, Ladies and Gentlemen. Today's match will be of mass proportions, and will feature the two evil organizations from the pillars of Jump!

Iiiiin this corner, from the human world of ninjas who have changed how people forever view ninjas, we have the Akatsuki! Their members consist of S-Level criminals wanted around the ninja world, and they are dangerous indeed!

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Aaaand in this corner, from the depths of Hueco Mundo, we have the denizens of Los Noches themselves, the Espada! Hand-picked by Aizen himself, these powerful individuals are so terrifying that it takes powerful and resourceful Soul Reaper captains to engage them in battle!
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Who will win, YCM? You decide!

Please note this is based on powers and skills, not popularity.

[Kakashi Hatake]

What possible f*cking way would any members of the Akatsuki even be able to see, much less fight any of the Espada without some ounce of spiritual power? While the Espada can take down spiritual and the living without even trying!

[Raine]

Example A:

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[Kakashi Hatake]

[quote name='Raine™ vi Britannia' timestamp='1344351280' post='6000018']
Example A:

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Case closed, motherf*ckers.

[Yang Xiao-Long]

[quote name='Raine™ vi Britannia' timestamp='1344351280' post='6000018']
Example A:

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That.

Was absolutely beautiful.

[Fusion X. Denver]

Espada would win in a fight, but the Akatsuki are far more appealing in powers, personality and development.

[Ｄｈａｒｃ]

The Espada, hands-down. As it was previously pointed out, it is unknown how much spiritual pressure the Akatsuki possess, so they might not even be able to see the Espada. Hell, they couldn't even beat the Numeros. It took Sui Feng's Suzumebachi (easily the second-cheapest zanpakuto in all of Bleach) to beat Ggio Vega, who was merely one of Baraggan's fraccion. Think about it—What chance would Deidara have against Coyotte Starrk? Hell, they'd have enough trouble against Aaroniero Arruruerie, as he can not only do the Espada things (like Gran Rey Cero and possibly even Cero Oscuras), but he also has the power of Kaien Shiba's Nejibana.

The Akatsuki have shown no signs of being in-tune with the Spiritual World, and even if they were, the Espada far outclass them with superior ability and style.

[Expelsword]

From what I know of Bleach, a lot of the Akatsuki are going to be worthless here.
I think it's really Pein, Itachi, and Tobi against them all.
It's gonna be up to the element of surprise here, Sharingan can definitely do major damage, and I think Pein can make black holes...

Bleach, I believe, is faster, and has more wide range destructive power though.
Not looking good for the Akatsuki, but I'll say again, Red Ribbon Army crushes both .

[Blake]

[quote name='-Dharc-' timestamp='1344352868' post='6000031']
Espada things (Cero Oscuras)
[/quote]
This is a falsehood.

The Anime said that Cero Oscuras belonged to the top /4/ Espada. The manga, however, said it was Ulquiorra's alone.

[Expelsword]

And the Akatsuki at the very least are spiritually tuned enough to fight.
Their whole goal was to take and combine spirits.

[Blake]

[quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1344353037' post='6000034']
From what I know of Bleach, a lot of the Akatsuki are going to be worthless here.
I think it's really Pein, Itachi, and Tobi against them all.
It's gonna be up to the element of surprise here, Sharingan can definitely do major damage, and I think Pein can make black holes...

Bleach, I believe, is faster, and has more wide range destructive power though.
Not looking good for the Akatsuki, but I'll say again, Red Ribbon Army crushes both .
[/quote]
Painagato has Gravity control and just about every jutsu ever, Tobi's done nothing but troll so far, Itachi is broke as hell.

The Espada have a broken Lich King who corrodes anything even remotely close to him that got killed with bull, a demon with a lance with an explosion that makes a gigantic castle with palaces/a lab for each espada in a whole desert inside the main castle look tiny, a... creepy ass "Fornicaras" user that cannot die outside of bullshit/driven to absolute insanity, and... the others are kinda lackluster.

Also, idg why people would ever argue based on "Akatsuki can't see them". It's a stupid argument because you should be acting on the idea of a somewhat even ground, where they were able to see and fight.

[Kakashi Hatake]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1344354709' post='6000052']
Also, idg why people would ever argue based on "Akatsuki can't see them". It's a stupid argument because you should be acting on the idea of a somewhat even ground, where they were able to see and fight.
[/quote]
What [i]you[/i] [i]think[/i] we should be acting on doesn't change the facts.


[quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1344353807' post='6000046']
Their whole goal was to take and combine spirits.
[/quote]
Yeah, but they can't see the tailed beasts until they're summoned, and then, they're physical beings.

[Blake]

[quote name='Kakashi Hatake' timestamp='1344354925' post='6000055']
What [i]you[/i] [i]think[/i] we should be acting on doesn't change the facts.
[/quote]
No, it just shows that you people are the same head-in-the-sand types that can't comprehend things like this should be assumed on equal ground. Hell, the "they can't be seen" argument is only commonly used in one place- Youtube.

[Expelsword]

[quote name='Kakashi Hatake' timestamp='1344354925' post='6000055']
What [i]you[/i] [i]think[/i] we should be acting on doesn't change the facts.
[/quote]
[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1344355258' post='6000063']
No, it just shows that you people are the same head-in-the-sand types that can't comprehend things like this should be assumed on equal ground. Hell, the "they can't be seen" argument is only commonly used in one place- Youtube.
[/quote]

I agree. If you're not even going to allow them the concession to be able to [i]see [/i]their opponents, why the hell would you even make the topic?

I remember a thread I saw one time that was a lot like this.
http://www.factpile.com/5067-fire-lord-ozai-vs-edward-elric/

[quote]Ed loses, curent incarnation rule means Ed no longer has Alchemy.[/quote]

[quote]Okay for the people think that Edward be able to have Alchemy: are you stupid? What kind of match would this be if if he didn’t have his abilities. Be sensible.[/quote]

[quote]Technically, neither party in their ‘current’ incarnation has their abilities. Ozai had his abilities taken away from him by Aang[/quote]

[quote]A fist fight would be boring.[/quote]

[Kakashi Hatake]

[quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1344355858' post='6000074']
I agree. If you're not even going to allow them the concession to be able to [i]see [/i]their opponents, why the hell would you even make the topic?
[/quote]
If two people were going to fight and one was invisible, the fight wouldn't play out as if the invisible one could be seen. You wouldn't just [i]make[/i] him visible.
[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1344355258' post='6000063']
No, it just shows that you people are the same head-in-the-sand types that can't comprehend things like this should be assumed on equal ground. Hell, the "they can't be seen" argument is only commonly used in one place- Youtube.
[/quote]
And this shows that you're the same head-up-your-own-ass type that can't comprehend things like your opinion is just that, your opinion.

[Ｄｈａｒｃ]

Alright then, I was mistaken in citing Cero Oscuras.

And if you think we should change the mechanics of the Bleach world to let the Akatsuki and Espada fight on "Even Ground," then so be it. The fact of the matter is that the Espada can outspeed the Akatsuki (barring Tobi), travel between dimensions (something only Tobi might be capable of), fire immense blasts of concentrated energy with a very short charging period and no hand symbols, and can further augment their power indefinitely by simply saying two words. Then you have Ulquiorra's Lanza de Relampago, Grimmjow's Desgarron, Szaeyl-Aporro's ability to absorb his Fraccion and destroy opponents internally, Zomarri's mind control, Harribel's EVERYTHING, Starrk's Cero Metralleta, Yammy's immense size...The list goes on and on. And it'd be even MORE one-sided if we decided to include Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck and Wonderweiss Margela (who was stated to be at Espada-level and even gave Yamamoto a run for his money, briefly).

[Expelsword]

[quote name='Kakashi Hatake' timestamp='1344355980' post='6000080']
If two people were going to fight and one was invisible, the fight wouldn't play out as if the invisible one could be seen. You wouldn't just [i]make[/i] him visible.
[/quote]
So, your argument is that Bleach characters can only beat the Akasuki by hiding like pansies.
Got it.

Either make a skill based argument or this topic is utterly worthless.

[Blake]

[quote name='Kakashi Hatake' timestamp='1344355980' post='6000080']
If two people were going to fight and one was invisible, the fight wouldn't play out as if the invisible one could be seen. You wouldn't just [i]make[/i] him visible.
[/quote]
Yes, you can. It's a debate. A non-canon debate.


[quote name='Kakashi Hatake' timestamp='1344355980' post='6000080']
And this shows that you're the same head-up-your-own-ass type that can't comprehend things like your opinion is just that, your opinion.
[/quote]
My head's not up my ass, at all. Arguing on anything except an even ground, considering they're only invisible in their own universe, is stupid. Not my fault you can't see that.

[Kakashi Hatake]

[quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1344356197' post='6000085']
So, your argument is that Bleach characters can only beat the Akasuki by hiding like pansies.
Got it.

Either make a skill based argument or this topic is utterly worthless.
[/quote]
My argument isn't that Bleach characters can only win by hiding, but being invisible is only a single trait that helps. ichigo at his current level could blow Naruto at his current level away. (whish is not on topic) Ulquiorra at his base level could blow Pain away. It's just a matter of brute strength whether they were visible or not. It's like asking who would win, Hamtaro characters or Dragon Ball characters. Bleach characters are incredibly overpowered.

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1344356219' post='6000086']
My head's not up my ass, at all. Arguing on anything except an even ground, considering they're only invisible in their own universe, is stupid. Not my fault you can't see that.
[/quote]
You're saying that if they were to fight, then it'd only be proper to have them both on equal grounds when they're not on equal grounds at all.

[Blake]

[quote name='Kakashi Hatake' timestamp='1344356516' post='6000088']
You're saying that if they were to fight, then it'd only be proper to have them both on equal grounds when they're not on equal grounds at all.
[/quote]
They are in any universe except Bleachverse.

Honestly, the Espada would kick the s*** out of the Akatsuki, except maybe Nagato, Tobi, and Itachi. Argue based on that, not technicalities that are only valid in Bleachverse.

[Kakashi Hatake]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1344356622' post='6000090']
They are in any universe except Bleachverse.

Honestly, the Espada would kick the s*** out of the Akatsuki, except maybe Nagato, Tobi, and Itachi. Argue based on that, not technicalities that are only valid in Bleachverse.
[/quote]
Argue based on what? All you said was that the Espada may not be able to beat those characters.

[Ｄｈａｒｃ]

Fine, let's make it interesting. [color=#0000cd]Starrk, Harribel, Ulquiorra, and Grimmjow[/color] vs [color=#ff0000]Pain, Kisame, Itachi, and Tobi[/color]. For all intents and purposes, this is whatever universe Jump Ultimate Stars takes place in, since Bleach characters have fought Naruto Characters in both Jump Stars games.

[Expelsword]

[spoiler='Sharingan']The Sharingan's abilities consist of two parts: the "Eye of Insight" (洞察眼, Dōsatsugan) and the "Eye of Hypnotism" (催眠眼, Saimingan).[2] The first of the Sharingan's powers is being able to see the flow of chakra. The Sharingan itself gives colour to chakra, allowing the wielder to differentiate them.[3] They are also able to tell if a person is under a genjutsu because the person's chakra flow would be irregular. The Sharingan's second-most prominent ability grants the user an incredible clarity of perception, allowing them to easily recognise genjutsu and different forms of chakra, though not to the same extent as the Byakugan. This also allows the user to pick up on subtle details, enabling them to read lip movements[4] or mimic something like pencil movements.[5] As the Sharingan evolves, gaining more tomoe seals, this ability extends to being able to track fast-moving objects before finally giving some amount of predictive capabilities to the user, allowing them to see the image of an attacker’s next move from the slightest muscle tension in their body and counterattack or dodge without any wasted movement.[6] However, even though the user may be able to see an attack or know it is coming, their body may not always have time to react. The Sharingan's third and most well-known ability is that it grants the user the ability to copy almost any technique that he or she witnesses, apart from other kekkei genkai techniques. The user can memorise ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu with near perfect accuracy, allowing the user to use the techniques as their own, or even modify them to create their own new techniques, much like Sasuke Uchiha's Lion Combo. In order to reproduce a copied technique, however, one must have the necessary skill or ability to perform them. A prime example is Rock Lee's brand of taijutsu. While Sasuke was able to copy some of Lee's moves, they put a much more significant strain on him since he hadn't trained nearly as much as Lee had. In addition to physical skill and kekkei genkai techniques, the Sharingan cannot reproduce techniques dependent on other factors, such as summons that the user has not signed a contract with. The Sharingan's final commonly-used ability is capable of inducing a unique brand of hypnosis that involves suggesting actions and thoughts to the opponent through genjutsu cast by simple eye contact between both parties.[7] More advanced Sharingan users can take the hypnosis ability even further to the point where a powerful summon like Manda[8] or even tailed beast may be controlled.[9] When this was used against Manda and the Nine-Tails, their eyes took on the tomoe pattern of the users' Sharingan while under hypnotic influence. [/spoiler]

Sharingan Ultimate Techniques
[spoiler='Amaterasu']The jet-black flames of the Amaterasu, said to be the fires from hell that are as hot as the sun, ignite at the focus of the user's vision.[4] Though the flames have been stated to be unavoidable, Amaterasu has been avoided a few times; Sasuke Uchiha managed to dodge the flames when Itachi tried focusing on him, though Itachi did not actually want to kill him and managed to hit Sasuke shortly after regardless,[5] and A using his Lightning Release Armour enhanced Body Flicker Technique avoided a short-range Amaterasu launched at him by Sasuke in an instant.[6] The flames are capable of burning through most anything in their path, even smothering regular fire techniques with ease. Amaterasu is said to never stop burning; even when whatever is caught by the Amaterasu is completely reduced to ash or destroyed, it can still continue burning for seven days and seven nights. It cannot be extinguished with water or any other normal methods.[/spoiler]

[spoiler='Tsukuyomi']Tsukuyomi requires eye contact to be performed. When executed, the technique traps the target in an illusion that is completely controlled by the user. Itachi's prowess with the technique has allowed him to alter the perception of time with ease within the genjutsu to make it seem to last for days when in fact it only lasts a few seconds. This allows him to torture the target for what seems like days on end, causing psychological trauma that will incapacitate them for a considerable period of time. After Itachi used it on Kakashi in Part I, Kisame was surprised that Kakashi's mind was still intact. Only Tsunade has been shown capable of curing this psychological damage.[/spoiler]

[spoiler='Susanoo']Susanoo, also known as the Tempestuous God of Valour (勇武の荒神, Yūbu no Aragami), is the third ability granted by the Mangekyō Sharingan after awakening the abilities in both eyes.[1] It creates a gigantic, humanoid being that surrounds the user. As one of the strongest techniques granted to those that have acquired the Mangekyō Sharingan, it is the user's guardian deity, but at the same time, it consumes the user's life.
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[spoiler='Izanami']Izanami is one of the ultimate dōjutsu of the Uchiha clan. It is a genjutsu which affects the target through physical sensations shared between them and the user.[1] Like its counterpart, in exchange for the temporary ability that it grants the user, the Sharingan with which Izanami is cast is sealed away and loses its light forever. According to Itachi, this technique and Izanagi form a pair, but unlike the latter, which is a technique capable of altering destiny, Izanami is instead one that "decides" it.[2] To begin the technique, after selecting any arbitrary moment, the caster uses their Sharingan to remember the physical sensations both of their body and that of their opponent's during that instant like a photograph (represented as: A). The user must then intentionally replicate the same sensation and in the same way, memorise that instant with their Sharingan (represented as: A'). Izanami overlaps and connects these two identical bodily sensations (A and A'), as well as the flow of time between them, creating an infinite loop of events that entraps the opponent's consciousness.[3] Whilst under the effects of the technique, the target stands motionlessly as the loop of events continually replays inside their mind.[4] Each time a loop is repeated, any physical damage incurred is reset as it were before the start of the loop, although the remains of severed appendages do not disappear.[5] Despite being able to become consciously aware of their situation and act differently, the victim is unable to significantly alter or escape from the inevitable progression of these events. However, because this technique was created to reprimand and save the users of Izanagi, the victim is able to escape the infinite loop if they can acknowledge the real results of their actions and in doing so, accept their fate.[6] [/spoiler]

[spoiler='Izanagi']Izanagi is a genjutsu that is cast on the user instead of others and is the most powerful amongst this type of genjutsu.[1] When activated, the caster removes the boundaries between reality and illusion within their personal space. To a degree this allows the user to control their own state of existence, but it is normally only active for the briefest of moments.[2] While the user remains physically real while fighting, this technique is capable of turning any occurrence including injuries and even death inflicted upon themselves while the technique is active into mere "illusions". Whenever the user receives a fatal injury, he or she automatically fades away as though they were an illusion all along and then returns back to reality; physically real and unscathed.[/spoiler]

Check out some of these powers before you declare it a stomp.

[Kakashi Hatake]

[quote name='-Dharc-' timestamp='1344357083' post='6000093']
Fine, let's make it interesting. [color=#0000cd]Starrk, Harribel, Ulquiorra, and Grimmjow[/color] vs [color=#ff0000]Pain, Kisame, Itachi, and Tobi[/color]. For all intents and purposes, this is whatever universe Jump Ultimate Stars takes place in, since Bleach characters have fought Naruto Characters in both Jump Stars games.
[/quote]
Ah yeah, I had forgotten about the Jump Universe. Alright, I don't want to go deep into why I think they'd win, but I'd still go for the Espada team. With Starrk and Ulquiorra alone, it gives the Espada team a huge advantage due to their sheer power alone. They could obliterate the entire Akatsuki team just from Uluiorra's second or third form.

There's also the part about huge amounts of reishi v human amounts of chakra.

[Ｄｈａｒｃ]

That is another excellent point, Kakashi. The human body can only hold very little amounts of Chakra, and if they expend it all, they die, or at the very least go unconscious. In the case of spiritual beings like Arrancar, their supply is unlimited, as it is derived from their souls. The more they will themselves to fight, the more powerful they can be. Think of it like Spiral Power.