Draw Phase skipping rulings don't intuitively make sense...

[Zowayix]

I always thought (and still do) that all cards involving skipping Draw Phases should be reworded to say "Skip your next turn's Draw Phase" instead of "Skip your next Draw Phase", to go along with the ruling that activating multiple doesn't actually stack up the Draw Phase skipping.

My logic:
Each [DSMBME] represents a turn, with a Phase abbreviated by its initial letter.
The first three turns can be represented as [DSME][DSMBME][DSMBME].
If you're in your first turn's Main Phase, it can be represented something like [[color=#d3d3d3]DS[/color][b]M[/b]E][DSMBME][DSMBME].
If you use, say, Offerings to the Doomed, then it skips your next Draw Phase, resulting in [[color=#d3d3d3]DS[/color][b]M[/b]E][SMBME][DSMBME].
However, if you use a second Offerings to the Doomed, then the card says to "Skip your next Draw Phase", and your next Draw Phase is actually this one [[color=#d3d3d3]DS[/color][b]M[/b]E][SMBME][[color=#0000ff][u]D[/u][/color]SMBME]..., making it intuitively make sense to have to skip two Draw Phases for two Offerings used.
If the card were errata'd to say "Skip your next turn's Draw Phase", then that would mean to look here [[color=#d3d3d3]DS[/color][b]M[/b]E][color=#0000ff][u][SMBME][/u][/color][DSMBME] for a Draw Phase to skip. It doesn't exist, so with this wording, it would then make sense to skip only one Draw Phase for two Offerings used.

tl;dr The phrase "Skip your next Draw Phase" should be errata'd into "Skip your next turn's Draw Phase", otherwise the rulings don't intuitively make sense.

[Citrine Serpent]

This made a good point but I think the ruling's logic is that just because a draw phase is going to be skipped doesn't mean the phase no longer exists. It's still the next draw phase, just it has a skip on it. The phase is still present to have another skip stacked on it.

[Blake]

If you use common sense, they do.

[Sleepy]

Yeah I guess they could be more clear in the actual cards. I wouldn't know Reckless Greed plays as it does without reading the official rulings, or having known about it for a long time. In the shoes of a new player:

Skip next turn's Draw Phase:
You won't do Draw Phase, specifically in your next turn, regardless of if it was already affected by other effects, it's THAT turn's.

Skip next Draw Phase:
Your next turn's was already skipped by other effects? then it won't be your "next Draw Phase anymore", keep going until you find your next unaffected Draw Phase to skip.

[This Account is Unplayable]

I don't see any reason to try to complicate the phases any more than they are. They're simplistic and the rules for skipping them are common sense.

[Zowayix]

Can you please explain how common sense would indicate that two Offerings would skip one Draw Phase? I can't follow it.

[HSektor]

[quote name='Zowayix' timestamp='1343426360' post='5990492']
Can you please explain how common sense would indicate that two Offerings would skip one Draw Phase? I can't follow it.
[/quote]

Simple. It's Konami. You don't use common sense, silly.

[Blake]

[quote name='Zowayix' timestamp='1343426360' post='5990492']
Can you please explain how common sense would indicate that two Offerings would skip one Draw Phase? I can't follow it.
[/quote]
Care to explain how the word "next" isn't on the card, when it blatantly IS?

[.Rai]

Or just learn the insanely easy-to-learn ruling.

Nothing in the rules to explicitly explain missing the timing. Still exists.

Besides, as if it'll even pop up outside of Reckless Greed, in which it's obvious.

[This Account is Unplayable]

Basically, OP is trying to overcomplicate one of the few parts of yugioh that isn't complicated.

[ranma1/2]

"skip your next draw phase"
you don't draw the next time you're supposed to.

how does that not make sense? even pojo would understand that.

[werewolfjedi]

[quote name='ranma1/2' timestamp='1343501372' post='5991153']
"skip your next draw phase"
you don't draw the next time you're supposed to.

how does that not make sense? even pojo would understand that.
[/quote]
the point he is making it's already skipped, and he throws another skip effect in, why doesn't it skip the turn after that since if the next one is skipped already, how can you skip it again?

[Blake]

[quote name='werewolfjedi' timestamp='1343507546' post='5991230']
the point he is making it's already skipped, and he throws another skip effect in, why doesn't it skip the turn after that since if the next one is skipped already, how can you skip it again?
[/quote]
The word next implies that you still skip the NEXT one. It implies that it doesn't stack to anyone with any sort of knowledge of syntax.

[Catterjune]

Konami is full of dumb people who write poorly.

This forum is full of dumber people who will defend every stupid thing Konami does, including writing poorly.

Case in point: This topic.

[This Account is Unplayable]

[quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1343512501' post='5991284']
Konami is full of dumb people who write poorly.

This forum is full of dumber people who will defend every stupid thing Konami does, including writing poorly.

Case in point: This topic.
[/quote]

We're dumb because we defend common sense?

I'd rather be dumb than ignorant, then.

[Blake]

[quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1343512501' post='5991284']
Konami is full of dumb people who write poorly.

This forum is full of dumber people who will defend every stupid thing Konami does, including writing poorly.

Case in point: This topic.
[/quote]
You really don't read your own section at all, do you?

The people "defending" the writing are the people that call Konami out on, well, just about every badly done thing they do.

This just isn't one of them and it's senseless to b**** about rewording the card when:
A. Syntax lets you know it doesn't stack
B. Even if for some reason you can't figure that out, the ruling is easy. 2 words - "It doesn't."

[Catterjune]

[quote name='Vengevine' timestamp='1343512621' post='5991286']
We're dumb because we defend common sense?
[/quote]
No, you're dumb for a completely different reason unrelated to Konami. In this case, you seem to lack basic reading comprehension to realize what the OP is saying.

[This Account is Unplayable]

[quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1343512792' post='5991289']
No, you're dumb for a completely different reason unrelated to Konami. In this case, you seem to lack basic reading comprehension to realize what the OP is saying.
[/quote]

I realise exactly what the OP is saying. They're overcomplicating something ridiculously simple. If anyone here's dumb, it's you.

[Catterjune]

[quote name='Vengevine' timestamp='1343512883' post='5991293']
They're overcomplicating something ridiculously simple.
[/quote]
See, you clearly haven't read what he said or you read it and you misinterpret it because you are a stupid person.

He states the way Offering to the Doomed is written implies that your next two draw phases would be skipped if you activate it twice, as opposed to just one if you activate it twice. You're saying "No it doesn't because it doesn't". Do you understand now?

[This Account is Unplayable]

[quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1343513039' post='5991295']
See, you clearly haven't read what he said or you read it and you misinterpret it because you are a stupid person.

He states the way Offering to the Doomed is written implies that your next two draw phases would be skipped if you activate it twice, as opposed to just one if you activate it twice. You're saying "No it doesn't because it doesn't". Do you understand now?
[/quote]

I understand that's exactly what I said because that's exactly what I said, and that the OP is, in fact, trying to overcomplicate a really simple ruling system. Do [i]you[/i] understand now?

[Mysty]

[quote name='Vengevine' timestamp='1343513123' post='5991296']
I understand that's exactly what I said because that's exactly what I said, and that the OP is, in fact, trying to overcomplicate a really simple ruling system. Do [i]you[/i] understand now?
[/quote]

The missing, slightly unintuitive piece of information unexplained out of all this is that yugioh still counts phases as "having happened" (for counting purposes, mostly) even if they were skipped.

[Catterjune]

Your argument is. "It's overcomplicated!"

How?

[Sleepy]

This is turning rather stupid reading at the comments.

Yes, Reckless Greed's rulings are set in stone.
Yes all experienced players, and new players that have contact with experienced players, know about it's ruling.
but the card's text is not really good explaining it by itself, and some people here are failing to accept that, because they are so used to knowing the ruling, that it's hard to think from a neutral standpoint. In my case, neither me or any of my friends knew it worked like that, back in the day when we just casually played amongst our closed circle. It was until years later at a local tournament that a serious player told all of us. These sorts of things should be written in a way that is foolproof for even the newbies that want to learn on their own when it comes to such a simple effect.

Yes it's a really simple and widely known ruling. No the card doesn't express it THAT clearly.

[darkwolf777]

The way the cards have always been written is very clear: Skip your NEXT Draw/Standby/etc Phase. Using one "Offering to the Doomed" skips "your next draw phase". Using 2 "Offering to the Doomed" skips "your next draw phase." Using 1,000,000 "Offering to the Doomed" skips "your next draw phase."

Every turn has a Draw Phase. Just because it is skipped does not mean it no longer exists. Your "next draw phase" will always be during your next turn, at the beginning of your turn. Using multiple cards to skip "your next draw phase" will all affect the same "draw phase" at the beginning of your next turn.. This goes for cards that skip any phase or turn.

You'd need to think less like a human and more like a machine if you want to understand a lot of what goes on. Do not put human emotions into how you understand it as you'll let yourself bend everything to make sense for yourself rather than how it works in the game. Eventually, you'll understand and read the effects to a more literal approach where the cards do what they say. I don't really know any better way to explain this paragraph coming from someone who likes to program, but programming lets you see things from a literal and systematic approach, which really helps me understand this game more than the average player.

Eventually, you learn that not everything is "BKSS" or that its written incorrectly and that these things are actually written correctly. The new problem-solving card text has helped quite a bit in that regard.

[Catterjune]

[quote]The way the cards have always been written is very clear: Skip your NEXT Draw/Standby/etc Phase[/quote]
It's not clear, for reasons already stated in the first post and in sleepy's post. If you have people who can get confused by it it is, by definition of the word, unclear.

[quote]You'd need to think less like a human and more like a machine if you want to understand a lot of what goes on. Do not put human emotions into how you understand it as you'll let yourself bend everything to make sense for yourself rather than how it works in the game. Eventually, you'll understand and read the effects to a more literal approach where the cards do what they say. I don't really know any better way to explain this paragraph coming from someone who likes to program, but programming lets you see things from a literal and systematic approach, which really helps me understand this game more than the average player.[/quote]
This is a CHILDREN'S card game marketed towards CHILDREN. The cartoon the show is based on comes at Saturday morning. But nope, "you have to process it like a machine". Get out.