thekazu4u Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 If you don't know the lock, it is fairly hard to pull off. First, you summon Fenrir. Then, you activate Black Garden. Then you summon Swap Frog from your hand. They get a token, you kill it with Fenrir, they can't draw. Return Swap Frog to your hand with its effect. Repeat that every turn for 600 damage per turn for infinity. Another advantage of the decktype is that it is very easy to stall with, you just fill up their entire field with tokens through something along the lines of Spec swap, dump ronintoadin, (give them first token) return swap, normal any other frog from hand (give second token) normal swap, dump any frog (give them third token), spec ronintoadin (give fourth token) and Xyz the frog and ronintoadin into any rank 2 (give them fifth and final token). Now they can't summon, and this was done with only 2 cards. However, the deck type is still very inconsistent. For one problem, unless you draw the Black Garden very fast, the deck flops. Secondly, it has limited hand control in the deck other than fenrir, making the lock often not "stick." I attempt to solve these problems with these cards. [img]http://yugico.com/customcard/88621.jpg[/img] 2 Level 2 Monsters Once per turn during either player's turn: Detach 1 Xyz Material Monster from this card; Activate 1 Field Spell Card in your Deck. If this card is selected as an attack target: You can return this card to the Extra Deck; Special Summon this 1 of this card's Xyz Material Monsters and your opponent's attacking monster must attack it instead. Although worthless in battle himself, this fiendish illusionist has devised a far more terrible fate for his enemies. First, he lures them into unfriendly terrain and then, when they retaliate, sends them charging headlong into the grasps of a predator. It is said he may even lure you into the grasp of the Carnivorous Lilly... [img]http://yugico.com/customcard/88604.jpg[/img] Tribute 1 Plant-Type monster; Send 1 card in your opponent's hand to the Graveyard. If this card is tributed by this card's effect: You can add 1 WATER monster with 1500 or less ATK from your Deck to your hand. This plant has developed somewhat of a symbiotic relationship with Fenrir: First, it discards the hand of the victim by tributing the tokens generated by Black Garden, and traps the enemy helpless in its tentacles. Fenrir then appears to feast on the flesh of the now helpless duelist, thereby providing the blood the lilly needs to survive. From this, there is no escape, neither in drawing, nor death itself, for Fenrir has the power of freezing his prey's soul... Comments/Critique? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galkin Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Fiend of Black ILLusion is perfectly fine, except I find that pic overused. But... Carnivorous Lilly is broken. First, we have a Wind-up Hunter that can tribute itself; second, it is very searchable; third, it searches itself or many other WATER monsters So what is it? A +1 with little to no restrictions and since it tributes itself it is open to revival on the same turn for continuous +1. The fact it can search itself makes this semi- splashable and a staple in WATER decks. it sets up so many plays with atlanteans and even searches out deep sea diva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted July 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 [quote name='Galkin' timestamp='1343420623' post='5990433'] Fiend of Black ILLusion is perfectly fine, except I find that pic overused. But... Carnivorous Lilly is broken. First, we have a Wind-up Hunter that can tribute itself; second, it is very searchable; third, it searches itself or many other WATER monsters So what is it? A +1 with little to no restrictions and since it tributes itself it is open to revival on the same turn for continuous +1. The fact it can search itself makes this semi- splashable and a staple in WATER decks. it sets up so many plays with atlanteans and even searches out deep sea diva. [/quote] I should probably fix the +1 problem. It isn't a wind up hunter, because there isn't any loop. Maybe it should be: [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]Tribute a Plant-Type monster (other than this card); Send 1 card in your opponent's hand to the Graveyard. You can tribute this card; Add 1 WATER monster with 1500 or less ATK from your Deck to your hand.[/background][/size][/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galkin Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Wind-up Hunter in the sense that it does the same thing said monster is designed to do. However, it can sill be abused with cards such as "Limit Reverse", "Miracle Fertilizer", "Salvage", etc. The new effect fixes some issues, but we still need to take into account cards that can Special Summon other monsters quickly, such as some of the above cards. Their is also the problem that is is an attribute specific Sangan and can still search some good starting cards such as Deep Sea Diva or most of the atlantean cards. The main thing that breaks it probably just how all the effects can be abused by constant revival cards. So I suggest adding a "Each effect of "Carnivorous Lilly" can only be activated once per turn". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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