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I pretty much agree. It has a few flaws, but it's probably my favorite movie of all time. By no means is it the best movie I've ever seen, but on a personal level, I really, really enjoyed it. It was heavily anticipated for me (and a lot of other people I'm sure) and it gave me everything I wanted and more. That's all I can really ask.

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[center][color=#008000][b]It was awesometacular! It's not as perfect as The Dark Knight and has a few flaws but it is a solid movie nonetheless. A perfect Superhero Trilogy with the 3rd does not suck. Nolan is indeed a genius.[/b][/color][/center]

[center][color=#008000][b]Anyway.[/b][/color][/center]
[center][spoiler='Spoiler'][color=#008000][b]Anyone else agree that John Blake's taking the mantle of Batman instead of becoming Robin? Cause his first name is Robin and Gordon did get a new Bat signal.[/b][/color][/spoiler][/center]

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While I haven't seen it yet, I've seen a lot of different opinions of it. A few of my friends just thought it was ok, another loved it, other really liked it, while another still just didn't like it. Plus from twitter the people I follow there haven't been THAT excited by it.

Guess all the variance is something I'll need to look into for myself.

And to answer the obvious question of why my friend didn't like it, he felt it was to long, way to slow, and that forgetting Batman was part of the movie part of the way in is not a good thing. He did say the climax was amazing though, just not enough to make up for the other 2 hours of film.

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[quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1342943012' post='5985311']
And to answer the obvious question of why my friend didn't like it, he felt it was to long, way to slow, and that forgetting Batman was part of the movie part of the way in is not a good thing. He did say the climax was amazing though, just not enough to make up for the other 2 hours of film.
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Without spoiling anything, those parts your friend didn't like are mostly subjective, as in, they're not exactly problems, but rather things that went against his preferences. Batman isn't in a lot of the movie, but the movie didn't forget about him like your friend said. The movie starts off a little slow and jumbled, but once it gets going, it went by very fast for me. I didn't realize I was in the theater for so long. So I think a lot of your friend's complaints are more of a personal experience, as opposed to stuff inherently wrong with the film.


[quote name='Y2Jgrave' timestamp='1342931472' post='5985203']
[center][spoiler='Spoiler'][color=#008000][b]Anyone else agree that John Blake's taking the mantle of Batman instead of becoming Robin? Cause his first name is Robin and Gordon did get a new Bat signal.[/b][/color][/spoiler][/center]
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It wasn't exactly clear what Blake will become. I'm pretty sure his name being Robin is more of a nod to the comics as opposed to flat out saying who he really is. I'm pretty sure Bruce gave Gordon the signal, because the way the scene was it looked like Gordon was surprised and happy to see it there. Either way, it would make sense that Gordon would have the bat signal for more symbolic reasons if anything, even if Bruce didn't give it to him. So that doesn't exactly mean Blake will become Batman, perhaps he'll become some other costumed hero that he makes up for himself, but I think it's more likely than Robin.

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[quote name='Agro' timestamp='1342937754' post='5985281']
Spoiler Alert: [url="http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/286323-duh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-batman/"]http://forum.yugiohc...nuh-nuh-batman/[/url]
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Ah, sorry about that! Might be a better idea to merge the two threads instead of locking the other one.

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[quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1342943012' post='5985311']
and that forgetting Batman was part of the movie part of the way in is not a good thing. He did say the climax was amazing though, just not enough to make up for the other 2 hours of film.
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Who the hell watches that film and forgets that Batman is even in it? I know it's all about perception but that's just stupid, they go back to him constantly and it's still very clear that it's his story. Nothing wrong with a multi-character narrative.

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[quote name='Brushfire' timestamp='1342994718' post='5985848']
Who the hell watches that film and forgets that Batman is even in it? I know it's all about perception but that's just stupid, they go back to him constantly and it's still very clear that it's his story. Nothing wrong with a multi-character narrative.
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No, from what I've read my other friends saying, its Bruce's story. And when I brought that up even than he said that he didn't even feel he was the center character, rather it that was Bane and his plan.

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[quote name='Agro' timestamp='1342974449' post='5985561']
Blake will be Nightwing.
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Not really though, Nolan said several time that he won't place any Robin(Grayson, Toad, Drake) character in his movies but I'm leading more of a Batman Beyond/Azrael type of deal in where he replace Bruce Wayne as Batman. Plus, Azrael did replace Bruce Wayne as Batman in the Knightfall arc and TDKR was clearly based from Knightfall among others.

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[quote name='Phantom Stranger' timestamp='1343031652' post='5986221']
Not really though, Nolan said several time that he won't place any Robin(Grayson, Toad, Drake) character in his movies but I'm leading more of a Batman Beyond/Azrael type of deal in where he replace Bruce Wayne as Batman. Plus, Azrael did replace Bruce Wayne as Batman in the Knightfall arc and TDKR was clearly based from Knightfall among others.
[/quote]No, he said "Robin". Not a "Robin Character".

Plus, he did that anyway, even if it wasn't suited-up-robin.

Anyway, he won't make any more, that much is obvious, if they make a nightwing movie or whatever sequel, someone else will do it.

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[quote name='Agro' timestamp='1343061885' post='5986364']
No, he said "Robin". Not a "Robin Character".

Plus, he did that anyway, even if it wasn't suited-up-robin.

Anyway, he won't make any more, that much is obvious, if they make a nightwing movie or whatever sequel, someone else will do it.
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A Robin Character is still Robin no matter what identity they take i.e Nightwing, Red Hood, Red Robin. JGL's dharacter also resemble the combination of all Azrael and Azrael did take over as Batman in the Knightfall arc in which the movie is particularly based on. And they are several time where a different character take the cowl as Batman in Bruce absence.

Anyway, I think this is just what Nolan wanted anyway, people discussing about the ending..remember Inception(is it the dream world or is it reality..) And the end is pretty ambiguous just like how Inception's ending so I don't think your answer is wrong as much as my answer is right. It's open to interpretation.

And there's a new Batman movie project coming in 2015-2017 with Nolan Bros and David S. Goyer producing. And fraid not, Nolan wrote the first draft for new Superman movie with David S. Goyer who wrote co wrote Batman Begins and teleplay for TDK with the Nolan bros writing the final draft..so that might catch your attention.

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Bane sounded like a mecha Sean Connery, which for the large part felt really awkward to me. The way they changed his story for the plot worked but by the time they were done he wasn't really Bane, and the actual Bane would've been much more intimidating.

Catwoman alternated between being an interesting character and something I just couldn't take seriously. Both her and Bane seemed to make a lot of cringeworthy comments, but this [i]is[/i] a superhero movie. I wasn't sure if the girl was supposed to be that prostitute Catwoman looks over in some of the continuities or Harley. I had heard she was supposed to become Harley Quinn and that Joker was going to be the judge; not sure if that's true but it sucks that didn't happen.

I had predicted the twists at the end and the inevitable callback to Alfred's fantasy by the time Wayne felt Talia's scar, but I already knew from the series that he has a daughter so that part doesn't quite count. So at least for me the ending played out to some extent anti-climactically: waiting for Selina to inevitably reappear, waiting for Talia to be revealed, waiting for a false Batman death, waiting for the inevitable Robin hint(who I personally think should've been named after a real Robin but whatever), and waiting for them to repeat Alfred's fantasy only with updated imagery.

I know it wasn't better than the second but I wonder in hindsight if I've seen the first one recently enough to say this was better than it. From the dodgy surgery in the cavern to Batman magically appearing to all of Bane's plots being unfeasible the movie almost seemed rushed to me. They did a good job on the theme of life and death, a better job of Alfred trying to convince Bruce to live a different life than they had in the other two, and while they began to create Occupy/French Revolution/General Power Struggle undertones it never received any closure which was awkward.

My favorite scene was Wayne dancing with Catwoman. Their dialogue is great, Catwoman justifies herself and adds a lot of depth to herself and the movie, and it's all done to a great song. I've always seen great potential in Pavane For A Dead Princess, you could talk about the crap you just took while this was playing and it would come across as deep commentary about life - I'm both glad and peeved that somebody ended up using it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKkeDqJBlK8

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[quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1343417159' post='5990393']
Bane sounded like a mecha Sean Connery, which for the large part felt really awkward to me. The way they changed his story for the plot worked but by the time they were done he wasn't really Bane, and the actual Bane would've been much more intimidating.

Catwoman alternated between being an interesting character and something I just couldn't take seriously. Both her and Bane seemed to make a lot of cringeworthy comments, but this [i]is[/i] a superhero movie. I wasn't sure if the girl was supposed to be that prostitute Catwoman looks over in some of the continuities or Harley. I had heard she was supposed to become Harley Quinn and that Joker was going to be the judge; not sure if that's true but it sucks that didn't happen.

I had predicted the twists at the end and the inevitable callback to Alfred's fantasy by the time Wayne felt Talia's scar, but I already knew from the series that he has a daughter so that part doesn't quite count. So at least for me the ending played out to some extent anti-climactically: waiting for Selina to inevitably reappear, waiting for Talia to be revealed, waiting for a false Batman death, waiting for the inevitable Robin hint(who I personally think should've been named after a real Robin but whatever), and waiting for them to repeat Alfred's fantasy only with updated imagery.

I know it wasn't better than the second but I wonder in hindsight if I've seen the first one recently enough to say this was better than it. From the dodgy surgery in the cavern to Batman magically appearing to all of Bane's plots being unfeasible the movie almost seemed rushed to me. They did a good job on the theme of life and death, a better job of Alfred trying to convince Bruce to live a different life than they had in the other two, and while they began to create Occupy/French Revolution/General Power Struggle undertones it never received any closure which was awkward.

My favorite scene was Wayne dancing with Catwoman. Their dialogue is great, Catwoman justifies herself and adds a lot of depth to herself and the movie, and it's all done to a great song. I've always seen great potential in Pavane For A Dead Princess, you could talk about the crap you just took while this was playing and it would come across as deep commentary about life - I'm both glad and peeved that somebody ended up using it.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKkeDqJBlK8[/media]
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i completely agree, his voice was kinda awkward:)

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I saw it at the midnight release. I was most impressed. I was a little nervous about Anne Hathaway as Catwoman but her performance was stellar.

Bane's voice was unexpected, but sexy as all get out.

Also [spoiler=spoiler] Robin [/spoiler] <3 but they changed his name.

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Absolutely amazing movie, Anne Hathaway can have me any day, and it was seriously seat gripping.

But tbh, throughout the whole movie I was constantly paranoid and peering in the aisles and at everyone coming in and walking out just in case. But nevertheless, still an enjoyable film filled with tons of action and I have to say, this has got to be my favorite villain of all time in any superhero movie.

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[quote name='Y2Jgrave' timestamp='1342931472' post='5985203']
[center][color=#008000][b]It was awesometacular! [u]It's not as perfect as The Dark Knight[/u] and has a few flaws but it is a solid movie nonetheless. A perfect Superhero Trilogy with the 3rd does not suck. Nolan is indeed a genius.[/b][/color][/center]

[center][color=#008000][b]Anyway.[/b][/color][/center]
[center][spoiler='Spoiler'][color=#008000][b]Anyone else agree that John Blake's taking the mantle of Batman instead of becoming Robin? Cause his first name is Robin and Gordon did get a new Bat signal.[/b][/color][/spoiler][/center]
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I actually haven't gotten around to seeing Batman #3 but I did see the first two. Really, The Dark Knight had loads of flaws, just many that people didn't pick out.

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[quote name='Admiral Tim' timestamp='1344853237' post='6006240']
I actually haven't gotten around to seeing Batman #3 but I did see the first two. Really, The Dark Knight had loads of flaws, just many that people didn't pick out.
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I find it funny you didn't share any of these flaws with us, even though we were basically complaining "just many that people didn't pick out."

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