Release the Kraken!!!!!!

[DARKPLANT RISING]

By Kraken, I mean all the famous banned members on here. Except ragnarok1945. I'm deadly serious with this.

Seriously, this forum is dying, and it isn't a matter about the popularity of the game itself. TBH I think Welche, Rodrigo, etc. all of them were positive influences upon this community; even if they did "spam" sometimes, I see no reason why they should have been perma'ed, and I honestly have absolutely no idea what the mods were thinking when they made those terrible decisions. This forum had twice the people two years ago, and I think one reason for this is that with all the famous people gone, everyone is migrating to Pojo.

If that isn't possible, YCMaker should at least advertise this site in various places - perhaps Troll and Toad.com or somewhere like that. Anyhow, we need something capable of restoring the activeness of this site and making it better.

Also, I think there was that banning spree once. Those should stop, because honestly, ...it's stupid.

In other words, the site is dying, we need to do something about it, my idea is that we should either (i) call back the dead and/or (ii) advertise tons. Also, we should stop perma-banning people unless they're really spammers.

[Althemia]

Won't happen, although I would support certain members coming back.

But then again, my opinion will probably be null and void because I keep in contact with "troublemakers" so it won't really go for much. ¬¬

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

Site is dying and something needs to be done, well I think we can all agree on that.

But the biggest thing, and please don't lock this thread because I'm saying the words 'that absolutely must not under any circumstances be said', but new people are going to come here, first and foremost, for the cardmaker. From there they may venture onto the forums as an extension thereof. So to get people to want to come here and use the site, the cardmaker MUST be updated to include Xyz monsters.

I'm sorry, but advertising an out-of-date product that this site is at present, to fans of a game who are kept interested by its evolution and new mechanics, is going to be completely pointless. What would you say if I tried to sell you a Sega Dreamcast as a fresh, exciting product? You'd most likely say, unless you're a retro guy, "f*** off you dinosaur and get yourself a 360". Same if I came to you with a VCR. "Hello old-timer, blu-ray." Of course retro stuff is seenas cool and collected by some, in the same way some people like creating/playing with old-fashioned style cards, but to appeal to as many new players as possible you have to give them the most uptodate product to get them interested. At the moment, what part of the cardmaker is remotely interesting? On face value to an outsider, this site is behind something like Yugico. Of course this site is better than Yugico, but there's nothing to convince potential new people otherwise.

As for letting banned members back, how would you get them to come back? Send them e-mails saying "we're so sorry we perma-banned you because X, please come back and resusitate our forum." Perhaps with a box of chocolates with a card of a puppy doing a sad face. The banned members I keep in contact with have been gone for a while that they're over it, and although they miss a few people wouldn't come back even if they could. As much as I personally would love Kitty and Rodrigo to come back, and agree the likes of Welche create posts, I can't see why they would.

[Althemia]

[quote name='Majestic Star Bahamut' timestamp='1341149129' post='5964805']
As for letting banned members back, how would you get them to come back? Send them e-mails saying "we're so sorry we perma-banned you because X, please come back and resusitate our forum." Perhaps with a box of chocolates with a card of a puppy doing a sad face. The banned members I keep in contact with have been gone for a while that they're over it, and although they miss a few people wouldn't come back even if they could. As much as I personally would love Kitty and Rodrigo to come back, and agree the likes of Welche create posts, I can't see why they would.
[/quote]

I'm friends with everyone single one of them. Kitty, Rodrigo, Dog King, Welche, Jesse, Brandon. All of them. I could easily contact them if they were to be unbanned and tell them that they're allowed to come back to the site. A good half of them would absolutely love the opportunity to come back as well.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[quote name='Circus Freak' timestamp='1341149248' post='5964806']
I'm friends with everyone single one of them. Kitty, Rodrigo, Dog King, Welche, Jesse, Brandon. All of them. I could easily contact them if they were to be unbanned and tell them that they're allowed to come back to the site. A good half of them would absolutely love the opportunity to come back as well.
[/quote]

Hey, if you did and they would, amazing.

I just can't see the appeal if I put myself in that position of being asked to come back after being banned, other than "catching up with people". Who by all means they have the e-mails, MSN, etc, etc of in many cases.

[Admiral Tim]

I agree, but un-ban Ragnarok too. Also Majestic Star is absolutely right. If members are going to come here with the intention of joining and making cards. XYZ need to be added. I'm going pseudo-inactive because the site is dying. Right now its a vicious cycle that without change, will just lead to more members quitting.

[Cherz]

Darkplant has a valid point. If the members were to be un banned, then the forum would be restored to its original glory. But, rag should not come back. He was a spambot. His posts were pointless. they did nothing to improve cards. He only wanted his post count to go up. If this plan is iniciated, Rag must stay banned.

[Asriel Dreemurr]

I do not know enough of the banned users, unless of course many of the people who I thought had simply disappeared have actually been banned, but I do agree that something needs to be done to either bring the old back or get the new in. Preferably both. Now, I've been out of touch with the actual Yugioh card game for some time(I'm moving on to Magic the Gathering and Tabletop Warhammer but that's not important right now) so I'm not in any position to judge whether the card maker is up to date or not. However, the card maker is what originally drew me to the site and led to the creation of the account with which I am currently posting here. At the time I had no idea the forums were even attached, so I simply accepted the maker for what it was and used it to play around with making custom cards.

Now, some three years later, I don't even use the Card Maker and exist entirely as a denizen of the forums. It is true that the maker is going to draw in new people, and to have the biggest draw it needs to be as updated as possible. Now, as I said i don't know enough about the permabanned members to decide whether or not specific ones amongst them should be unbanned but if they contributed to the site they should most certainly be coming back. I leave it up to those who actually know them to decide who should return and why.

[Jord200]

Unban Kitty, Welche, Dog King, Rodrigo, and maybe a few others
Add Xyz
Give Points some actual use


I would say those would be great starts. There are some who are more than deserving of another chance.

[Just Crouton]

We could use some good players to impart their wisdom in TCG and Your Deck. I've been having to turn to DuelistGroundz lately for my TCG fix, which isn't a bad forum, and has a lot of good content concerning current decks, and I've actually received help on decks there.

[Catterjune]

Welche was a really bad spammer though. He derailed threads constantly by whoring for attention and this site is better off without him.

Rodrigo... honestly, his comments weren't all that vulgar as others. He just struck me as an idiot who didn't really realize what he was actually saying. But being an idiot isn't something that I personally believe should be perma-able.

"But Pika! Didn't the section you mod used to have a strict no-stupidity rule!?"

Yes it did, and I also never perm'd anyone over it. Being a dumb woodpecker gets you a warn increase. And then you realize "Oh! I better avoid being stupid then!" and all is well.

I honestly don't think Rodrigo has any kind of weird fascination with children. Especially since the difference between adult and child characters in most animes are usually just size of eyes and height and... that's about it.

I don't recall the specifics and avoided the topic myself, but I don't think Rodrigo should have been permed just for saying something incredibly fucking stupid and off colour.

But from what I can he made it rather evident that he had no intention of coming back:

[quote]After reading this, make sure to properly do your filthy job and put me on the Banned group, Crabby Patty, for as I don't want to be parto f a community where you have the last word while you don't have the means and the capability to do so.[/quote]

As for Kitty, Kitty's only crime was really telling a bad, offensive joke with Crab's reasoning that anyone who was accused of being a pedophile (like J-Max) would then say "Oh, I was just kidding."

Shkler's exact quote was:

[quote]I have no interest in sorting out "real pedophiles" from "ironic pedophiles" or whatever other excuses people are making. The latter group is still a problem; at best, they are still providing a cover to hide the real pedophiles and are still contributing to a culture in which pedophilia is okay, and at worst, they are themselves real pedophiles hiding behind a thin claim of irony.

This is hardly a witch-hunt. This isn't a scene from the Crucible. The solution is quite simple: don't say you want to fuck children.[/quote]

I don't think it's all that black and white personally. Your history should play a bigger role then just a quick on-off switch and one sentence could get you blacklisted immediately. I mean, I understand that a harsh punishment is necessary for people who might harm children on a site catering primarily towards children but I don't think Kitty would willfully harm a child.

For the record, her offense was responding to a status:

iCherry: "I am thoroughly convinced everyone I know is a lolicon
Kitty: "I'm not attracted to under aged girls. I prefer boys, kaythx."

And that's it.

As for our activity levels, you're retarded if you think that factors into any decision on banning or unbanning people.


tl;dr -
Welche is a terrible person and I hope he doesn't get into college.
Rodrigo. He's just an idiot who doesn't know what words mean.
Kitty. Said one stupid thing one time and got crucified over it.

Kitty doesn't really deserve to be banned. Welche deserves it. Rodrigo's a bit of a borderline case. I'm not thoroughly convinced either way.

[Agro]

Rod and Kitty didn't deserve to be banned. Welche could be given a second chance out of any of them, imo.

Basically, the main reason everyone stopped coming here was that everyone was angry over the ban spree.

And yes, YCMaker doing anything positive here would help the site.

[Northern Sage]

^ http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/user/133256-kitty/

[Catterjune]

[quote name='Agro' timestamp='1341204408' post='5965217']
Welche could be given a second chance out of any of them, imo.[/quote]
Welche already used up his second chance when he posted a bunch of porn on the site a couple o' moons ago.

I believe the "official" story was he gave his password to some guy on MSN and then that other guy porned up the joint, but you're responsible for your own account security and yada yada yada. It was a flimsy excuse at best and he was still responsible for it.

I think there were other things too that I'm just too old and senile to remember. (I mentioned somewhere unbanning him again would be his "third chance" and pointed to what I recalled from earlier, Yuzuru Otonoashi states Welche had been perm'd four other times and that this would be his fifth chance.)

tl;dr - He already had a second chance and he blew it. No.

[quote name='∂materasu' timestamp='1341217335' post='5965326']
^ [url="http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/user/133256-kitty/"]http://forum.yugiohc...r/133256-kitty/[/url]
[/quote]
Unbanned

[This Account is Unplayable]

I still don't get how anime characters are directly relatable to real life people.

[Agro]

[quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1341239330' post='5965417']
Welche already used up his second chance when he posted a bunch of porn on the site a couple o' moons ago.
[/quote]Okay, that would do it.


[quote name='Chris' timestamp='1341247578' post='5965480']
I still don't get how anime characters are directly relatable to real life people.
[/quote]It's the thought that counts, apparently.

[Enma Ai]

I do agree that some things need to be done, although, I don't think unbanning a lot of people is a proper solution. Even though I would like to see people like Bloodrun, who I was good friends with, back.

Also, just throwing this out there incase anybody wanted some numbers;

YCM [JUL 2012] - http://i48.tinypic.com/23t4ghx.png

YCM [FEB 2009] - http://i49.tinypic.com/qr0n4j.png

[Miror B]

Just gonna say that imo if 5-7 people accounted for almost all of this forum's activity, then we probably deserve to die out.

[Alice Moonflowyr]

Rodrigo doesnt wanna come back anyway.

Welche WAS helpful for a bit, but he just shouldnt come back.

...why did someone mention Jesse.

Dog king really shouldnt come back.


Xyz do need to be added.

[Stan Alda]

I don't think unbanning problem posters is a good idea. I'd rather have a slower forum than even [i]possibly[/i] be inundated with spammy, useless posts and people making pedophilic "jokes". We had a banning spree, but those that were banned were banned for what I feel were good reasons. Spam is a pain on [i]any[/i] forum. Loli/shota doesn't belong [i]here; [/i]there are plenty of forums for the latter, just not this one. Now if the loli/whatever posters have cleaned up their respective acts, then that's fine. But the spammers had better stay banned.

What frustrates me is that people get plenty of readers, but no-one bothers to comment, at least in RC. Perhaps we should mention that in the forum rules; not [i]requiring[/i] comments for each reader, but encouraging it more.

I think the best way to get more people is to update the Card Maker itself. As much as I detest Xyzs, most people don't, and (heavens!) actually want to make more. Something is wrong when people have to go to [i]YugiCo--[/i]of all places--to make their cards and [i]then[/i] post them here. In addition, some of the text--such as the ATK/DEF areas--clips off at strange places, but this is a minor bug.

[b][i]In short:[/i][/b] Don't release the entire kraken. Just bring up a few of the less naughty tentacles. And give the glass-bottom boat (I'm really stretching this metaphor, aren't I?) a larger and clearer bottom.

[Nu-Mou Knight]

It pretty much boils down to Xyz being added and YCMaker advertising on DN or something. If we're going to expect an influx of new people, which seems to be part of what we're going for here, I have an idea that, before they're allowed to post in Custom Cards, they should have to prove that their cards aren't going to be terribly made, and therefore worth looking at in the first place. I'm talking about people who have no idea how to write card effects, or only have an inkling of now to play the game at a basic level. Because, let's be honest, nobody's going to want to wade through all that. Either that or have volunteers who have a quota to fill of helping new members, then get a set number of Points for meeting it.

Also, he might want to do something about justification of the effects. I know it strains the server, but if he's going to expect more people, that would probably do the same thing. It's also the main reason that I prefer MSE, since it looks more...proper. Maybe take a part of that $40,000~ that he gets from the site and use it to help fix the server up?

[This Account is Unplayable]

And bring negs back.

[ihop]

The Card Maker is the main pull factor to the site as it makes it original compared to Pojo etc. If the Card Maker is outdated and less attractive for use it won't attract new members to the site.

[Miror B]

[quote name='Chris' timestamp='1341504379' post='5967816']
And bring negs back.
[/quote]
Only argument I've ever heard for this is "It stops trolls", which it doesn't, or "it makes bad people better", which chewing them out essentially does the same.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[quote name='Chris' timestamp='1341504379' post='5967816']
And bring negs back.
[/quote]

I don't see your logic, how would negs attract new members?

"Hmm, well I've had a look around the site and the cardmaker is outdated, but I can live with that as Written looks a cool section. The people seem good enough in general and there's bits going on here and there. But the inability to dislike peoples comments is a real downer. Don't think I can be a part without it..."

For the record, I would also like negs back. I just think its sixth or seventh on the to do list and not the most influential factor in getting new members.