Tentacruel Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1338070663' post='5947433'] I wouldn't complain over such a thing knowing full-well I think the same way As a matter of fact I'd revel in the opportunity for them to try to change my mind! [/quote] While I find the eagerness to argue strange, I must commend you for at the very least not putting yourself on a higher level than others. Some people have a hard time realizing that you can tolerate and respect someone's beliefs or opinions without actually holding any respect for the beliefs themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montez Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 I wouldn't say I'm a very tolerant person. I only tolerate someone's beliefs if they can back them up with evidence and reasoning and logic. Unfortunately, when you really get down to it, not many people can, whether they are arguing for their religion, lack of religion, beliefs on economics, beliefs on government etc. I don't tolerate someone's beliefs just because they say "I have a special feeling in my heart God loves me and God exists," or "I don't believe God can exist in a horrible world like this one." Going with the "feeling in my heart" beliefs gives crazy people license to do what they want because they have a special feeling in their heart too. I don't tolerate crazy people who believe killing is fun and who have a special feeling in their heart children like being touched, because they lack the reasoning and logic to support it. It just so happens in the cases of crazy people, society at large can see the flaws in their logic, and thus we do not tolerate them. I choose not to tolerate anyone whose beliefs lack evidence and reasoning and logic for the same reason 99% of people do not tolerate crazy people whose beliefs lack evidence and reasoning and logic. Now, although I do not tolerate a belief or action, I do support the right of people to say their belief, because it just so might happen that this person may have the evidence and logic to back up their belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 [quote name='Comrade Trollestia'] While I find the eagerness to argue strange[/quote] I hope not. Ever heard of Socrates? [quote name='Comrade Trollestia'] Some people have a hard time realizing that you can tolerate and respect someone's beliefs or opinions without actually holding any respect for the beliefs themselves. [/quote] No. If something is being overlooked here, the difference between "respecting someone's beliefs" and "actually holding any respect for the beliefs" isn't it. Try again. [quote name='Montez'] Going with the "feeling in my heart" beliefs gives crazy people license to do what they want because they have a special feeling in their heart too. I don't tolerate crazy people who believe killing is fun and who have a special feeling in their heart children like being touched, because they lack the reasoning and logic to support it.[/quote] And I don't tolerate straw man arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montez Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 [quote name='Fire and Water' timestamp='1338153699' post='5947862'] And I don't tolerate straw man arguments. [/quote] That's good for you. I don't know exactly what you're addressing, but they're not straw man arguments as much as they are vague examples. I can give more specific ones, such as Charles Manson and his ridiculous belief that a Beatles song was about an impending apocalyptic race war. He had a feeling in his heart that his beliefs are true in the same sense a lot of people today believe what they believe because it is what their parents believed or their belief makes them happy or content. My argument is general, but I'm not attacking a specific argument or belief or anything like that. I'm not making a straw man argument. I'm not setting up someone's specific argument for their beliefs as easily refutable while construing their actual argument. I'm saying in general there are some people who rely on the phrase "my beliefs make me content, so I don't need evidence," and they should not get away with it. If I was saying a specific group of people did this, like all Christians, then yes, I would be using a straw man argument. If I somehow misunderstood you and what you were saying, you leaving a vague, little sentence that makes you look clever may have been the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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