Zowayix Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I've looked at a bunch of past threads concerning Self Destruct Button, and most people seem to think it is a good card. However, the decklists I've seen all appear to try to force three Draws as fast as possible using Wall of Revealing Light, Inspection, etc. The following two points come to mind: 1) Winning one Duel and quickly forcing two Draws seems easier than trying to win two Duels out of three in a Match. However, the decklists I've seen don't seem to aim for a win on the first Duel, so this doesn't seem to apply.2) Forcing three Draws causes a Sudden Death Duel where the first player to inflict damage wins the Match. This can be abused easily with burn cards (even lolSparks) but the decklists I've seen don't seem to focus on that either. Anything to clarify this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kanade Otonashi Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 No one should think that SDB is a good card. It's terrible. As in bad and as in bad card design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 The only purpose of Self-Destruct Button is to troll your opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I just looked back at 2 SDB threads and the whole time everyone was calling it bad and wiithepeople a moron. :S What is with all these alt game enders? The answer is the same, ban them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingdom Xathers Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Self-Destruct Button requires no skill whatsoever; in fact, it relies on complete lack of skill. It is merely a cheap out against a dominating/more skilled opponent, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Devil's Advocate Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I've looked at a bunch of past threads concerning Self Destruct Button, and most people seem to think it is a good card. Whoever told you SDB was a good card was an idiot. 2) Forcing three Draws causes a Sudden Death Duel where the first player to inflict damage wins the Match. This can be abused easily with burn cards (even lolSparks) but the decklists I've seen don't seem to focus on that either. Technically, if the three matches come to a draw, the outcome is usually determined by RPS, not by "Sudden Death" or whatever you called it. But still, SDB is horrid card design, shouldn't exist, and anyone who runs SDB shouldn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I just looked back at 2 SDB threads and the whole time everyone was calling it bad and wiithepeople a moron. :S What is with all these alt game enders? The answer is the same, ban them all.Except Vennominaga cuz, you know, it's actually fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Win a tournament with this deck = winning @ yu gi oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 YCM's general opinion:It's bad because it reduces player interaction, just like Countdown and Exodia.People should play Decks that give your opponent a fair chance, like Inzektor for +4s or Windup so that they start without a hand. Thought it would be nice to summarize this. This, however, is NOT my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 YCM's general opinion:It's bad because it reduces player interaction, just like Countdown and Exodia.People should play Decks that give your opponent a fair chance, like Inzektor for +4s or Windup so that they start without a hand. Thought it would be nice to summarize this. This, however, is NOT my opinion.I hope you didnt imply that inzektor and wind ups are fine by YCM standards. They arent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I hope you didnt imply that inzektor and wind ups are fine by YCM standards. They arent. Obviously not. But I sometimes have the feeling YCM implies their existance is less bad for the game than the existance of alt wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 YCM's general opinion:It's bad because it reduces player interaction, just like Countdown and Exodia.People should play Decks that give your opponent a fair chance, like Inzektor for +4s or Windup so that they start without a hand.Thought it would be nice to summarize this. This, however, is NOT my opinion. Because those decks are so important when Rabbit and Chaos Drags are still the best decks. SDB is infinitely inferior to Exodia and Countdown anyway, those decks can actually win, and the decks it is used in are less consistent. s: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 It's very satisfying to pull it out against some damned fool netdecking Inzektors. I side it in Empty Jar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shark_ Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Because those decks are so important when Rabbit and Chaos Drags are still the best decks. SDB is infinitely inferior to Exodia and Countdown anyway, those decks can actually win, and the decks it is used in are less consistent. s: Chaos Dragons are even worse than Wind-Ups and certainly not on par with Inzektors. They are just overrepresented because they're cheap to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 >cheap to make>3 tour guides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAreYou? Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I've looked at a bunch of past threads concerning Self Destruct Button, and most people seem to think it is a good card.You got the threads from Pojo, didn't you. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiithepeople Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Did someone say "Button"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAreYou? Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Old picture is old.OT: SDB IS BAD, DON'T LISTEN TO THE PLAYERS THAT SAY OTHERWISE, THEY SUCK TOO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 You got the threads from Pojo, didn't you. >_>Be moar ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAreYou? Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Be moar ignorant.Hey, people who say "HAY GAISE, SELF-DESTRUCT BUTTON IS A GOOD CARD" are from Pojo.People who have that kind of mind are from Pojo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Hey, people who say "HAY GAISE, SELF-DESTRUCT BUTTON IS A GOOD CARD" are from Pojo.People who have that kind of mind are from Pojo.Are you sure they arent from YCM? And only the card reviewers that say DSF sucks are that bad,the forums are at least remotely decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Anyone who intentionally sets out to play for a draw is ultimately a loser. You should always set out for two things - to win and to have fun. Don't treat winning as the be all and end all to be achieved at any costs (that's for real fighting and other exceptions), but always try one hundred percent to win. If its not enough, its not enough. Accept loses with good grace if beaten by the better duelist, grit your teeth grin and bear it if you were beaten by a lucksacking troll. And always make sure at the end of the duel that both you and your opponent had fun regardless of who wins and loses. Philosophy on Duelling according to Prof. Verz of North Academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Anyone who intentionally sets out to play for a draw is ultimately a loser. You should always set out for two things - to win and to have fun. Don't treat winning as the be all and end all to be achieved at any costs (that's for real fighting and other exceptions), but always try to win. Accept loses with good grace if beaten by the better duelist, grit your teeth grin and bear it if you were beaten by a lucksacking troll, and always make sure both you and your opponent can have fun regardless of who wins and loses. Philosophy on Duelling according to Prof. Verz of North AcademyI guess this is why North Academy never beats Duel Academy Central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Anyone who intentionally sets out to play for a draw is ultimately a loser.You should always set out for two things - to win and to have fun. Don't treat winning as the be all and end all to be achieved at any costs (that's for real fighting and other exceptions), but always try one hundred percent to win. If its not enough, its not enough. Accept loses with good grace if beaten by the better duelist, grit your teeth grin and bear it if you were beaten by a lucksacking troll. And always make sure at the end of the duel that both you and your opponent had fun regardless of who wins and loses.Philosophy on Duelling according to Prof. Verz of North Academy You've never read Sirlin's article on playing to win, have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I guess this is why North Academy never beats Duel Academy Central. Oh yeah. I couldn't claim to be a professor at central. I hold my hands up and admit I'm not good at this game and I don't win very often. But I always play to win, and do it a way that is fun. I get beaten; well done, excellent duel, thank you very much. I win; holy s*** I actually won with this, awesome, thanks for the duel. At the end of the day, it's a freaking card game. Not for the fate of the world or for souls or any of the anime crap. Not for a living or a dependable source of income. Not for anything remotely serious, other than maybe local acknowledgement/adulation for those who compete in locals. Just for fun. Opponent is presumably often going to be the same. It's just a past-time which should be enjoyed. Obviously you should still try to win, it is a contest, why on earth enter a contest and not try to win? But I think there are different ways of winning, and to win without having fun makes it... rather pointless... How anyone can find sitting behind a wall and stalling, lowering your own life points, then activating this for a draw, in any way fun I find mind-boggling. You've never read Sirlin's article on playing to win, have you? Obviously I've never even heard of Sirlin. But whatever it is it sounds tasty, I'll have mine medium-rare thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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