Advanced Sacrificial Arts

[Galkin]

Advanced Sacrificial Arts
Field Spell

"Once per turn, you can Normal Summon or Set 1 Level 7 or higher monster in addition to your Normal Summon or Set per turn. You can send this card to the Graveyard; reveal 1 Level 7 or higher monster in your Hand that can be Normal Summoned or Set. During this turn, if you would Normal Summon or Set the revealed monster: you can tribute monsters from your Hand instead from your side of the Field. You cannot Special Summon monsters the turn you activate this effect."

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

Er, wow, this is really far out in terms of what it supports.

Personally don't think this works. You'd already need a monster on the field, your normal summon for a second, and then use this to get out your Level 7 thing thast is probably nowadays mediocre to begin with anyway. The last line stops it from supplying Big Eye, Giant Killer food, which doesn't help. The fact that it's a Feild Spell and thus easier to search works in its favour, because your deck will be very dead-drawy without it.

Only thing that springs to mind that this could possibly help is Inverz Caucastag and Longhorn, along with Genesoid. Given the spell's name I guess you had that in mind.

[Galkin]

Card was made to support:

Earthbound Immortals
Egyptian gods / Wicked gods
Coelacanth
Light and Darkness Dragon
Steelswarms

In addition, this will make the "2 for 1" tribute cards (Kaiser Seahorse, Double Coston ,etc) more useful as it allows you to Tribute Summon level 7 or highers with great ease. The second effect (with restriction) further serves to reinforce it is meant for rogue tribute support (Not for Hieratics). You can easily use it to tribute Hardened Armed Dragon and another monster to make them immune to card effect destruction, as well as activate "on tributed" effects much easier.

[Wrath's Child]

[font=georgia,serif]And here I thought this card were for Rituals, lol. But btw: this is pretty daring Tribute support, and if I may be permitted to use a cliche, 'ahead of its time', as the aforementioned combos with 2-for-1 Tribute support will pan out as you hope they might (basically because except for Gellenduo, there is no reason to play them anyway, and you'd rather set Gellenduo than spend precious Field Spells[b] and[/b] Gellenduo to summon a Fairy[/font][font=georgia,serif]).[/font]

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[quote name='Galkin' timestamp='1337576992' post='5943743']
Card was made to support:

Earthbound Immortals
Egyptian gods / Wicked gods
Coelacanth
Light and Darkness Dragon
Steelswarms

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I'd say in three of those cases, Masoleum of the Emperor does it much better. This still costs a lot of hand advantage for usually not great monsters.

[Galkin]

[quote]I'd say in three of those cases, Masoleum of the Emperor does it much better. This still costs a lot of hand advantage for usually not great monsters. [/quote]
Perhaps, but you must realize the benefits of it, the ability to tribute any monster from the hand is an easily abusable move, in fact, I think it's bannable. Don't believe me?

Meet our little friend [url="http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111103181960/yugioh/images/thumb/2/24/TheTyrantNeptuneCT08-EN-SR-LE.jpg/300px-TheTyrantNeptuneCT08-EN-SR-LE.jpg"]The Tyrant Neptune[/url], next meet our friend [url="http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120429230029/yugioh/images/thumb/b/be/VennominagatheDeityofPoisonousSnakes-RYMP-EN-R-1E.png/300px-VennominagatheDeityofPoisonousSnakes-RYMP-EN-R-1E.png"]Vennominaga[/url]. You know where this is going, right?
Wait, there is ALSO [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Mosaic_Manticore"]Mosaic Manticore[/url], who'll be happy to set up synchro or XYZ next turn.

Lets not forget the already mentioned [url="http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090617025509/yugioh/images/thumb/e/ea/HardenedArmedDragonRGBT-EN-ScR-1E.png/300px-HardenedArmedDragonRGBT-EN-ScR-1E.png"]Hardened Armed Dragon[/url]
I'm sure Mausoleum can't make Effect Destruction immune monstrosities.

[Big Bad Pennar]

Galkin, Speaking of bad cards is unwise, Speaking of Hardened Armed Dragon is also very unwise, especially since there is a lot of destructionless removal out there right now... Speaking of Vennominaga.... Your IQ just dropped in the Negatives because she can't be Normal Summoned or Set to begin with (Unless you're making a kove that I might not think you are XD)

[quote name='Galkin' timestamp='1337576992' post='5943743']
Card was made to support:

Earthbound Immortals [b]They fall prey too easily to MST and the like[/b]
Egyptian gods / Wicked gods [b]The only good ones are Slifer, and Obelisk, but the former can only work in it's own deck and the latter is used as a tech. Nobody good runs the wicked Gods [/b]
Coelacanth [b]Mausoleum does this guy much better[/b]
Light and Darkness Dragon [b]Same as above, But he also has Photon Sanctuary to Support him[/b]
Steelswarms [b]They don't need this unless it's for the bad Steelswarms[/b]

In addition, this will make the "2 for 1" tribute cards (Kaiser Seahorse, Double Coston ,etc) more useful as it allows you to Tribute Summon level 7 or highers with great ease. [b]Nobody uses those except for Gellenduo, and like the person said above, I would rather set my Gellenduos than waste it for this[/b]
The second effect (with restriction) further serves to reinforce it is meant for rogue tribute support (Not for Hieratics). [b]and it wastes hand advantage, although Rank 8 Heiratics can still use the former effect[/b]
You can easily use it to tribute Hardened Armed Dragon and another monster to make them immune to card effect destruction, [b]Caius, Raiza, Lava Golem, D-Prison, Compulsionary, and many other cards are laughing at you right now[/b]
as well as activate "on tributed" effects much easier.[b]The only card I can think of that is level 7 or higher with that kind of effect and everyone uses would be Barbaros... but people use it with Skill Drain...[/b]
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The only good use for this card I can think up is The Tyrant Neptune, and the Deck already seems very inconsistent even with this card. This card is actually Horrifically Underpowered rather than Overpowered

[Galkin]

[quote]Galkin, Speaking of bad cards is unwise, Speaking of Hardened Armed Dragon is also very unwise, especially since there is a lot of destructionless removal out there right now... Speaking of Vennominaga.... Your IQ just dropped in the Negatives because she can't be Normal Summoned or Set to begin with (Unless you're making a kove that I might not think you are XD)

[quote][img]http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/public/style_images/YCM/snapback.png[/img]Galkin, on 21 May 2012 - 01:09 AM, said:

Card was made to support:

Earthbound Immortals [b]They fall prey too easily to MST and the like[/b]
Egyptian gods / Wicked gods [b]The only good ones are Slifer, and Obelisk, but the former can only work in it's own deck and the latter is used as a tech. Nobody good runs the wicked Gods [/b]
Coelacanth [b]Mausoleum does this guy much better[/b]
Light and Darkness Dragon [b]Same as above, But he also has Photon Sanctuary to Support him[/b]
Steelswarms [b]They don't need this unless it's for the bad Steelswarms[/b]

In addition, this will make the "2 for 1" tribute cards (Kaiser Seahorse, Double Coston ,etc) more useful as it allows you to Tribute Summon level 7 or highers with great ease. [b]Nobody uses those except for Gellenduo, and like the person said above, I would rather set my Gellenduos than waste it for this[/b]
The second effect (with restriction) further serves to reinforce it is meant for rogue tribute support (Not for Hieratics). [b]and it wastes hand advantage, although Rank 8 Heiratics can still use the former effect[/b]
You can easily use it to tribute Hardened Armed Dragon and another monster to make them immune to card effect destruction, [b]Caius, Raiza, Lava Golem, D-Prison, Compulsionary, and many other cards are laughing at you right now[/b]
as well as activate "on tributed" effects much easier.[b]The only card I can think of that is level 7 or higher with that kind of effect and everyone uses would be Barbaros... but people use it with Skill Drain...[/b][/quote]


The only good use for this card I can think up is The Tyrant Neptune, and the Deck already seems very inconsistent even with this card. This card is actually Horrifically Underpowered rather than Overpowered
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1. Card is meant to support the "bad" cards (Which are bad because they lack support). Hardened Armed Dragon is not a threatening card, but it is not to be underestimated.
2. My IQ did not drop because I never said you had to summon her...you use the second effect to be able to tribute her from the [b]Hand[/b], she will still be eligible for Neptune's effect.

[b]Earthbound Immortals[/b]; well of course they fall prey to MST, that is their main weakness, you can't overlook that at all. Once again, I must return you to Hardened Armed Dragon that will kindly remove that little problem from the archtype. The fact it can Special Summon itself means you can special summon it, Normal Summon another monster, use this card to get another normal summon and use those 2 for tributes. (Considering you had an empty field).

[b]Egyptian gods / Wicked gods;[/b] well of course, Obelisk is the best one (returns you to Hardened Armed Dragon) and Slifer is a tech. The point of this card was to take 1 step in bringing back the old cards that are behind today's meta. Wicked gods can now run Double Couston to facilitate the summon now that they have 2 Normal Summons per turn. They aren't that great, but boosting them is a good step to giving them a comeback.

[b]Coelacanth[/b];yes, Mausoleum does the job better. Just pointing out that this card can support him, even though he doesn't need it that much.

[b]LaDD[/b]; same point as Coelacanth.

[b]Steelswarms[/b]; again, just pointing it out.

[b]"2 for 1 tributes";[/b] why do you think no one runs them in the first place? because they don't have any support. This card is supporting them a TON, they can now be used to just summon a level 7 or higher *snap* like that! So you might run Gellenduo over this? Okay, but what about non-fairy decks, what will you do then?

[b]"Waste of Hand advantage"[/b]; and gain of Field advantage. The second effect is optional when you're in dire need of it. You can rely on the first effect to help you and it would NEVER give you hand problems. The second effect is also key in the mentioned "Vennominga for Neptune" maneuver, which I consider a HUGE boost to Neptune, who rarely sees play. It also helps turn a dead hand full of monsters into an "at least playable" hand.

[b]"Bypass of Hardened Armed Dragon"[/b]; so? No card, I mean NO card is invincible, there will ALWAYS be a card that is going to laugh at someone's deck when it goes in and completely renders it useless. For example; Decree is now laughing at D-prison and Compulsory. Destruction is a very common form of Field removal (in fact; the inzektor and Hieratic archtype are pretty much dominating with it), so destruction protection is decent.

[b]"On tributed effects"[/b]; yeah, but it is worth noting. It is a minor "perk", but it is there.

[quote]This card is actually [s]Horrifically[/s] Underpowered rather than Overpowered[/quote]
Never actually said it was overpowered, just that "Neptune with Vennominaga" was a devastating combo that it could perform.
It may not support today's meta of "lol, swarm and blow up; eat hand; yay more OTK", but it supports a very old playstyle of Yu-Gi-Oh: running high level monsters for the purpose of tribute summoning them to dominate the Field with them; hence why this card is underpowered in comparison to today's game.

[Big Bad Pennar]

[quote name='Galkin' timestamp='1337638885' post='5944317']
1. Card is meant to support the "bad" cards (Which are bad because they lack support). Hardened Armed Dragon is not a threatening card, but it is not to be underestimated. [b]good point[/b]
2. My IQ did not drop because I never said you had to summon her...you use the second effect to be able to tribute her from the [b]Hand[/b], she will still be eligible for Neptune's effect. [b]I thought that after posting it, so sorry about that...[/b]

[b]Earthbound Immortals[/b]; well of course they fall prey to MST, that is their main weakness, you can't overlook that at all. Once again, I must return you to Hardened Armed Dragon that will kindly remove that little problem from the archetype. The fact it can Special Summon itself means you can special summon it, Normal Summon another monster, use this card to get another normal summon and use those 2 for tributes. (Considering you had an empty field). [b]This reminds me of a deck i made for Turbo Dueling one time involving EBIs and Malefics... Discard Malefic Truth Dragon for HAD, Special A Malefic, Tirbute both for Chacu, Special Summon another Malefic...[/b]

[b]Egyptian gods / Wicked gods;[/b] well of course, Obelisk is the best one (returns you to Hardened Armed Dragon) and Slifer is a tech. The point of this card was to take 1 step in bringing back the old cards that are behind today's meta. Wicked gods can now run Double Couston to facilitate the summon now that they have 2 Normal Summons per turn. They aren't that great, but boosting them is a good step to giving them a comeback. [b]Actually, Slifer is the best one, not Obelisk... But how are you going to get the third tribute for them? The best thought is Confit, i believe[/b]

[b]Coelacanth[/b];yes, Mausoleum does the job better. Just pointing out that this card can support him, even though he doesn't need it that much.

[b]LaDD[/b]; same point as Coelacanth. [b]LADD also has Photon Sanctuary[/b]

[b]Steelswarms[/b]; again, just pointing it out.

[b]"2 for 1 tributes";[/b] why do you think no one runs them in the first place? because they don't have any support. This card is supporting them a TON, they can now be used to just summon a level 7 or higher *snap* like that! So you might run Gellenduo over this? Okay, but what about non-fairy decks, what will you do then?

[b]"Waste of Hand advantage"[/b]; and gain of Field advantage. The second effect is optional when you're in dire need of it. You can rely on the first effect to help you and it would NEVER give you hand problems. The second effect is also key in the mentioned "Vennominga for Neptune" maneuver, which I consider a HUGE boost to Neptune, who rarely sees play. It also helps turn a dead hand full of monsters into an "at least playable" hand. [b]Honestly, I prefer the Vennominaga and Malefic Truth Dragon into Neptune because he would still be vulnerable in battle if it was just Vennominaga[/b]

[b]"Bypass of Hardened Armed Dragon"[/b]; so? No card, I mean NO card is invincible, there will ALWAYS be a card that is going to laugh at someone's deck when it goes in and completely renders it useless. For example; Decree is now laughing at D-prison and Compulsory. Destruction is a very common form of Field removal (in fact; the inzektor and Hieratic archetype are pretty much dominating with it), so destruction protection is decent. [b]Like Lava Golem Laughing at Vennominaga?[/b]

[b]"On tributed effects"[/b]; yeah, but it is worth noting. It is a minor "perk", but it is there. [b]I almost forgot one thing, There is also Trial and Tribulation[/b]


Never actually said it was overpowered, just that "Neptune with Vennominaga" was a devastating combo that it could perform. [b]"I think it's bannable. Don't believe me?" That was the thing that made me think that you thought that this was Overpowered[/b]

It may not support today's meta of "lol, swarm and blow up; eat hand; yay more OTK", but it supports a very old playstyle of Yu-Gi-Oh: running high level monsters for the purpose of tribute summoning them to dominate the Field with them; hence why this card is underpowered in comparison to today's game. [b]Now that a solid deck is forming in my mind, This could be a bit balanced[/b]
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[Galkin]

[quote][b]Actually, Slifer is the best one, not Obelisk... But how are you going to get the third tribute for them? The best thought is Confit, i believe[/b][/quote]
Slifer vs Obelisk is debatable (They all work very well in their respective fields). The 3 tributes is still a challenge for them, this card just make it easier to do, but you'll most likely need to swarm the field and focus on the first effect. Second effect if you have a hand full of monsters.

[quote][b]LADD also has Photon Sanctuary[/b][/quote]
So we can agree LaDD has no need of this card?

[quote][b]Like Lava Golem Laughing at Vennominaga?[/b][/quote]
Pretty much, although Volcanic Queen can do it more easier since it'll only require 1 monster.

[quote][b]"I think it's bannable. Don't believe me?" That was the thing that made me think that you thought that this was Overpowered[/b][/quote]
That is because i was speaking of the "Vennominaga into Tyrant" move, which combined with a Malefic, can easily make an unstoppable monster (Unless you run Lava golem/Volcanic Queen); which I found to be incredibly bannable. Not the card itself, just the combo it can do (But you can't ban combos, just cards [So it was either this card or Neptune]