Suicide

[NY Yankees]

Is it wrong to kill yourself? Or is it more like a final act of bravery?

Why do people judge those who kill themselves? If there is no right or left turn in a person's life and they feel like they are at a dead-end, why should we judge them? Explain your opinion.

[Blake]

Suicide is a sad, horrible thing that should never have to happen, yet people are driven to a point where they feel absolutely hopeless and/or worthless and feel life isn't worth living anymore.

People say that those who kill themselves are cowards, but it's not with the distaste that you say someone who runs away from his duty is a coward. It's a remorseful sense of them being too scared to continue life because they were just beat down until they couldn't take it anymore. Even the times when someone is psychotic and kills themselves/others, there's still sorrow looming along with some distaste.

If someone you know is going to kill themselves, you fight for them until you have no fight left in you and then some. You don't just turn a blind eye, because surely you wouldn't want someone to give up on you in your greatest time of need. They might hate you for it for a while, but they'll one day thank you for what you did.

Each life is precious, pure gold, and needs to be treated as such. If society as a whole were better, maybe there would be less endless despair that leads to this bad ending. And the worst part is that it's NOT a singular act. It's like stabbing everyone that you love and loved you, telling them their life and feelings meant nothing to you, or at least not enough to live. It's a painful feeling for anyone to think that their loved one(s) died because they weren't good enough, but it is fairly common for such feelings to arise in their hearts, sometimes causing a chain reaction of death.

If you didn't read it all, it's a heartbreaking thing that shouldn't exist, yet it does, and it affects too many people.

[Lunar Origins]

My friend commit suicide a few weeks back and I was an emotional wreck for a few days.

I hate him for it.

Now, though, it's just... odd, not having him around.

[Durandamon]

Suicide must be one of the most complicated discussion topics. While I've had no friend who did it, and I appreciate it, sometimes the thoughts of that came to my mind. Heck, I tried once but was stopped in the middle. All my friends kinda avoided me for a week or so.


It all depends on the person's life, but I must say suicide is a huge mistake, no matter the case. And, as Yuzuru said, it can trigger a chain reaction soon.

[TheComposer]

My dad committed suicide and I don't believe I'll ever forgive him for it. It's made me view suicide in a horrible way. If the people that care for you aren't enough for you to stick around, then you're a horrible person. Especially when you have a family that you leave behind.

[FindingTheEverlight]

I don't really know anyone that has committed suicide, so I can't really tell you my view on it. But I do remember a time back in middleschool where I was bullied to the point where I wanted to die. I never did it, and now I'm the happiest I've ever been in my life. I'm a happy person, suicide is one of the last things on my mind.

If anyone close to me ever attempted, or even committed suicide, I'd have a hard time sleeping at night. I'd feel guilty like I had some sort of contributing factor that led them to do that.

[Lonk]

I met an old man a week ago, who after losing his son a few years back, had attempted suicide many times.

Also, I'm going to let Lloyd speak here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2kgmLMQjdA&feature=relmfu

1:15 Kratos wants to die
1:20-1:40 Lloyd's lesson on how dying accomplishes nothing
1:42 Kratos is no longer longing on dying

Suicide's purpose is 100x as worthless. At least getting killed by something other than your own self or stupidity is much more valiant than just getting killed by something.

[Vairocana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH9CxM6o-eI

[Garthfunkle Vii Backwards]

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[Smesh]

A girl in our school did it about 2 weeks ago. I truly feel bad because I feel no sadness. Even so, suicide is terrible and I honestly wouldn't feel bad if someone in my own family did it. It's your life and you threw it away.

[CinnamonStar]

Meh, it’s a complex topic, so my answer will probably be silly.

On a personal level, I tend to think that suicide is one, if not the highest form of altruism that you can show. We’re way too many people on this planet and simply by being alive and breathing, you’re using up a number of ressources. By deciding to leave your place, you make space for others, although granted, you’ve probably already spent years doing that, but at least you won’t bother the world anymore. So in some way, you put yourself under the people you love and it’s not really an egoistical move. But then again, that’s rarely the reason why people throw themselves out…

On an overall level, it’s more difficult though. By committing suicide, you may finish your own suffering, but cause A LOT of suffering to others (provided that are still others around, because the people who kill themselves and/because they have no one left do exist…). Then there are also the people who suffer from chronical depression and have really been diagnosed as such (not on the Internet however, I’d hope), but that’s something else. Of course, your own feelings matter the most and why care about what others feel when your issues have become so overhelming that you can’t see anything else. But it’s terrible for others and even though you probably didn’t mean it, you do leave people behind who need you and people who will probably be scarred for the rest of their lives.

I’m probably the last person on this planet who will commit suicide because I’d probably find some distraction or something that makes me laugh.>.<

But an act of bravery...uh, no.

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

If they wish to take the cowards way out then I will not mourne them because they wanted it to happen. I can't find anything worthwhile, honourable, understandable about suicide. I find it stupid and selfish. If only they would understand how lucky they are to f*cking go to school then maybe they wouldn't think that way. No American on this damn planet has a right to commit suicide compared to those in North Africa, or Iraq. And the fact they want to put their family through this crap is even more rediculous.
In the end all I can really say is this,
If a person commits suicide I will not mourne them. I will not even care. They do not deserve my mourning and they wanted to die so its pointless. I have nothing but disdain for this death concept.

[John A. Zoidberg]

It's probably one of the only things that I don't have a strong feeling towards either side about.
On one hand, it's kind of selfish to do it due to how many people it would affect. On the other hand, if you truly hate you life and find no value in living, you really should be able to do it regardless of what others will feel.
Think about it this way. You're the principal of a school. You're pretty close with all of the students. They all like you, you like them, it's whatever. The students are all really close with a certain teacher, Mr. Jones we'll call him. So it turns out that Mr. Jones is actually a terrible teacher, but the students just think he's cool because he doesn't do his job or give homework or anything. As the principal, it's your job to decide:
Keep Mr. Jones and go on being unhappy, or fire him and find peace. Mr. Jones obviously being your life. And firing being suicide.

I'm not saying it's [i]right, [/i]I'm just saying that a person shouldn't have to make that decision knowing that their friends would hate them, since that would probably push them closer, knowing that their friends even have the moral capacity to hate them.

[Vairocana]

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If they wish to take the cowards way out then I will not mourne them because they wanted it to happen. I can't find anything worthwhile, honourable, understandable about suicide. I find it stupid and selfish. If only they would understand how lucky they are to f*cking go to school then maybe they wouldn't think that way. No American on this damn planet has a right to commit suicide compared to those in North Africa, or Iraq. And the fact they want to put their family through this crap is even more rediculous.
In the end all I can really say is this,
If a person commits suicide I will not mourne them. I will not even care. They do not deserve my mourning and they wanted to die so its pointless. I have nothing but disdain for this death concept.
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Suffering is subjective. Just because someone lives in a first world country does not negate their feelings of sadness, I don't care how many starving african children there are.

And it's selfish? Isn't it selfish of everyone else to demand that person stay alive and continue to suffer just so they can feel fine?

[Tentacruel]

I won't judge people for doing it or call them a coward, but it's still a terrible thing to do.

I also feel that I must point out that's it's usually a lot of other people's faults for neglecting or abusing that person. Usually neglect.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

[quote name='Vairocana' timestamp='1337569154' post='5943688']
Suffering is subjective.
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Would you rather have a chocolate bar or be raped and tortured?

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[Just Crouton]

Every time my brother failed a semester at college, his reason for not doing any work was because he wanted to kill himself. After 2-3 semesters in a row, my father said "cut the drama crap, drama queen!" It was never brought up again.

[Dyspro]

Suicide for some people is their way to escape the troubles they face in life. I have heard of people who have commited suicide because they had no friends, but these kids had bright futures. They had good grades, a nice family, and college to look forward to. I think that its like being pushed down a well once you are pushed in you will keep falling and falling until you hit that bottom and you end the fall. Whats best is to have that one person who you can trust and turn to so that way they can be the one to grab you as you start to fall and bring you back up.

This is one of the most pressing issues to deal with among teenagers is Suicide, but every time someone tries to have a class discussion on it or something it all turns into a joke or a bashing. Which if you are a person who is thinking of suicide is not the most helpful way to avoid it.

I believe someone commiting suicide is one of the saddest things to happen in life. If you are a person who picks on someone or does something to further advance this suicide I hope it stays in your mind for your entire life. You may not think of it, but in a way you are an accomplice to murder.

just my thoughts on the subject,

[Mehmani]

He was such an hero. /thread

[Vairocana]

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Would you rather have a chocolate bar or be raped and tortured?

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I didn't realize recieving a chocolate bar was a form of suffering now. Just because someone has it "worse off" does not invalidate your own feelings.

[Kazooie]

For me... The biggest thing I hate about suicide isn't the act itself... It's how people may KNOW about it, but not even try to help.

I mean... When I first started being active and got on Duel Monsters Genesis, I was... Fairly suicidal myself (Still am sometimes) and it was no fun... I couldn't enjoy life, school was miserable, I always felt alone, and it was all around one of the most miserable times of my life.

Well, I didn't say anything about, to anyone online or offline, and I just went on. Eventually, it got to the point where I didn't want to be around people, so I would just run off from the main group on DMG. No one noticed, no one cared, I was alone and I was slowly convincing myself it was a good idea. No one cared when I was gone then, why would they care if I was gone after that? I didn't have many friends at school, and at home... Well, home was the one time I was happy, but that was mainly because of the internet.

Either way, around February of 2011, I started making plans. I had a place I could run off too... I started writing a note. One to my family, and one to my friends online... I went through multiple drafts... All of them had different messages, but the same base idea.

Except for the message to one person. You all know him as Yuzuru Otonashi or Black. I was gonna tell him that I had feelings for him... And I would miss him more then anything.

During all this, I kept getting on DMG and being around Black made it harder and harder for me to think about doing it, but I thought I would be happier. My feelings for him kept growing and growing, making it harder for me to be happy with the message I wrote, making me write it over and over so I could tell him how special he really was to me...

So March rolls around and around the 15th I finished the final draft... I was gonna send it on the 22nd of March, then I could end it.

On the 19th of March, Black told me he loved me.

Here I am.

What I'm getting at is, Black didn't even KNOW he was helping me most of the time. As far as he knew, I was just unhappy and needed to talk to someone. But he cared enough to listen to me.

We fell in love, and we're still together today. Things can be tough, and I do lapse back to... That, but I know I can trust Black to help snap me out of it, along with my other friends.

If you DO know someone who's suicidal, don't convince yourself you can't do anything to help them. You might be way more wrong then you ever knew.

If you ARE suicidal... Don't give up yet. Things may be hard... They may seem impossible... But they'll get better. You just need help... It doesn't have to b someone you love. It can be a close friend... You just need someone to help you. I wouldn't have been able to do it without Black.

I literally would be dead if it wasn't for him.

[~Call of the Haunted~]

[quote name='Kanade Otonashi' timestamp='1337999753' post='5947089']
*best wall of text ever written*
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[img]http://www.magic.org/store/images/1ApplauseCard.gif[/img]

This was just... and to think a Yugioh forum could have so much stuff besides the game.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[quote name='Kanade Otonashi' timestamp='1337999753' post='5947089']
Same sentiments as above[/quote]

Bit blown away by that very honest and heartfelt message.

This won't be quite as an amazing tale as Kanade's but... from about the age of 16 through to 20 I think I thought about / wanted to kill myself every day. Being unemployed, failing at my college I put all my hopes on, failing at pretty much everything I did, breaking every relationship with my family and friends and continually driving myself away from everyone. Could go on, but you get the idea.

Two things stopped me: Thinking of no matter how bad it got, hell would be worse (not that I am in anyway religious, but would you chance it? Really chance it?) and thinking what it would do to my mum and little sisters (what it would really do to them, after the good old 'they're better off without me' thoughts subsided.)

The last twelve months have undoubtably been the happiest for a long time. Got a stable job which has given me the ability to get into my own flat, giving me my independance and freedom, got a really good bunch of mates who've always been there when I've had slip ups over the winter, tried all these new things I'm good at and enjoy like rugby and Wing Chun and writing and so on.

So... I don't know what I'm trying to say. Four years was a long time, but.... well... somehow survived it and it... was pretty worth it so far

[Enrise]

I'm somewhat neutral on suicide, and look more for the causes on the suicide.

Say you had top secret intelligence that mustn't be revealed (like a way to retrieve a weapon of mass destruction or other). You're captured by the enemy who will torture you to your death, or near it, until you reveal said information. To prevent any chance of hesitation to save your own life, you end your life.As a consequence, the enemy will no longer have a way to retrieve their objective, and in this scenario, you saved billions of lives, or even the world.

Or on another hand, you are harassed in manners not needed to be said. You want to end the suffering. You want to end the pain. So on. So forth. End your life? The harassers will always find another victim. Your death solves nothing in this case. Tired of their crap? Here's a brilliant idea: get some lessons in the martial arts. Not only will your knowledge of the arts protect you, but you can also solve the problem of the "bullies" harassing others. As a long term event, the bullies will no longer mess with you, and your life will pick back up. This is in the event where you may not have close friends, if any at all. Have some close friends? Stick with them. Always.

You get the gist of my side.