How is this possible!? (Impossible Synchro?)

[Galkin]

[b]Hatman, The Ancient Legendary Archwizard[/b]
[b]Syncho/DARK/Effect/Spellcaster[/b]
[b]Level 1[/b]
[b]ATK: 100[/b]
[b]DEF: 100[/b]

[b]1 tuner + 2 non-XYZ leveless non-tuners[/b]

[b]The synchro summon of this card cannot be negated. When this card is synchro summoned: send all cards in your opponent's Hand and Field to the Graveyard. Your opponent cannot activate card effects in response to the activation of this card's effect.[/b]

I'll leave you to guess how you can summon this card...
Hint: a hint in the name...

[Akeno_Ederis_17]

How? ?

Intriguing xD

[Zyzzyzus]

Star Changer / Level Retuner / Level Tuning + a Synchro monster. Reduce Level to 1 and activate Synchro Change.

I don't know how you might Synchro Summon it, though.

[s]Level 1 Tuner + 2 Xyz?[/s]

I was thinking of making some Level 0 monsters a while ago, so I'll take a wild guess and say you came up with the same idea.

[Galkin]

Nope; game mechanics state you can't use XYZ monsters for Ritual, Synchro or another XYZ summon unless stated as a requirement; and this card doesn't state them specifically as a requirement.

Another hint; it requires you to use a combination of at least...3 cards (not including the monsters) for it to work. In fact, I think its so hard, I should just rename it's effect to:

"If you synchro summon this card; you win the duel"

Although you get points for being able to figure out a way to at least summon it XD

[Zyzzyzus]

So unless I missed something, there isn't [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Level_Award"]some recondite way[/url] of treating a card with no levels as a monster card, as it will always have a level while it is a monster, and there can be no level 0 monster, even though level 13 and above is possible. Since I can't possibly look through every legal card ever made, I'm stumped.

[Galkin]

Forgive me; I have been looking for an answer as to whether summoning this card is even possibly a legal move in reality. Turns out it wasn't unless I gave a specific requirement to the non-tuners. The requirements for the synchro summon have been changed; it is now a possible legal move to synchro summon this card.

and there is a tricky way to synchro summon this card, in fact; there are only [b]2[/b] cards in the whole game that can be used to summon this card; 1 is extremely old, unique, and seldom used; the other is...practically the same, but not as old...

[Piekillermon]

As I recall, dark tuners, in their orginal state subtracted levels when synchro summoning, so they can be used to summon it, however they are just like normal tuners now.

[Miror B]

[quote name='Piekillermon' timestamp='1336702752' post='5936736']
As I recall, dark tuners, in their orginal state subtracted levels when synchro summoning, so they can be used to summon it, however they are just like normal tuners now.
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Wrong. If you read the card it requires 2 leveless non-tuneres. Dark Tuners have levels.

I am very interested in how this works as it determines how hard it actually is to get out.

[Galkin]

I've been thinking 2 things:

A) Change the requirements to 4 leveless non-tuners
B ) Change the effect to a win condition: "If you Synchro Summon this card: you win the duel". Just because I will be so outright hard to get out; nuking your opponent makes it underpowered.

[Zyzzyzus]

I'd like to know if the rules of the game specifically states that a monster cannot have its Level [b]reduced[/b] and/or [b]decreased[/b] below 1, but I don't know where to find that. Might there be a link to a manual of sorts where that rule can be found?

[Miror B]

[quote name='Zyzzyzus' timestamp='1336703613' post='5936760']
I'd like to know if the rules of the game specifically states that a monster cannot have its Level [b]reduced[/b] below 1, but I don't know where to find that. Might there be a link to a manual of sorts where that rule can be found?
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You cannot have a monster with a level of 0 or lower unless an effect specifically says otherwise.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Level

[Zyzzyzus]

[quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1336703688' post='5936761']
You cannot have a monster with a level of 0 or lower unless an effect specifically says otherwise.
[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Level"]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Level[/url]
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"A Monster Card cannot be treated as Level 0, [b]even with an effect[/b], the minimum will always be Level 1."
That's what I'm confused about, and it isn't the exact wording of the official rules.

[Miror B]

[quote name='Zyzzyzus' timestamp='1336703874' post='5936764']
"A Monster Card cannot be treated as Level 0, [b]even with an effect[/b], the minimum will always be Level 1."
That's what I'm confused about, and it isn't the exact wording of the official rules.
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As of now that is the case, because no effect specifically says anything about level 0.
If they ever make a card that specifically says it can treat a monster as level 0 then it will be possible.

[Zyzzyzus]

If that's the case, then *currently* there cannot exist levelless monsters that aren't Xyz.

[Galkin]

The card that is key to summoning this card was a card that was created before the idea of synchros or XYZ was ever brought up; hence were never taken into consideration, nor was the card designed to make Ritual summoning possible; since no quick-play ritual spells were being though up in those days.

Furthermore, the card's text was never updated, so it stayed with it's original text. The card in question that Special Summons "leveless" monsters is only possible because it [b]DOESN'T[/b] state a level for the monsters. The TCG has refused to make an official ruling for this phenomenon, but the OCG ruled it as Monsters with "nonexistent levels". Normally, since the monsters have non-existent levels, they cannot be used for synchros; but since being leveless is a requirement for this card, they can be used and are treated as level 0.

[i]Right there I gave 3 hints.[/i]

[Miror B]

Actually they'd just be treated as leveless.

Anyway only card I can think of is Magical Hats but it's gonna be pretty hard to Synchro with those since they don't stick around.

[Galkin]

Applause, you found the first card required to Synchro into this guy. You need to list 2 more; but those will be easy compared to Magical Hats.

[Zyzzyzus]

Heh, I completely forgot about Magical Hats... Always thought it was a Spell Card.

Urgent Tuning?

[Galkin]

How are you figuring things out all of a sudden?

You listed Magical Hates (2 leveless non-tuners [[b]Hat[/b]man])
You listed Urgent Tuning (Only way to synchro before the end of the battle phase)

Now only 1 problem stands in your way: you cannot synchro with face-down monsters. You need to flip all 3 monsters face-up before the battle phase ends to Synchro summon.

Truthfully, there are a variety of ways to do this; so there is more than 1 answer for this one...

[Zyzzyzus]

Light of Intervention, Ceasefire, Desert Sunlight, The Spell Absorbing Life, A/D Changer, etc.

[Galkin]

Congratz, you solved the mystery of the "impossible" synchro; how would you like to discuss the card? Is it underpowered, overpowered?

[Miror B]

I say under because it requires a combination of 4 cards (including the tuner) and can only be done during your opponent's Battle Phase at that :/

[Zyzzyzus]

Maybe something to do with negating the activation of card effects. There's Horus for Spells, and Sorcerer of Dark Magic for Traps except Counter Traps. Would be nice to have one for monster effects and Counter Traps.

[WhoAreYou?]

[quote name='Galkin' timestamp='1336695755' post='5936625']
[b]Hatman, The Ancient Legendary Archwizard[/b]
[b]Syncho/DARK/Effect/Spellcaster[/b]
[b]Level 1[/b]
[b]ATK: 100[/b]
[b]DEF: 100[/b]

[b]1 tuner + 2 non-XYZ leveless non-tuners[/b]

[b]The synchro summon of this card cannot be negated. When this card is synchro summoned: send all cards in your opponent's Hand and Field to the Graveyard. Your opponent cannot activate card effects in response to the activation of this card's effect.[/b]

I'll leave you to guess how you can summon this card...
Hint: a hint in the name...
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[quote name='Galkin' timestamp='1336695755' post='5936625']
[b]Hatman, The Ancient Legendary Archwizard[/b]
I'll leave you to guess how you can summon this card...
Hint: a hint in the name...
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[quote name='Galkin' timestamp='1336695755' post='5936625']
[b]Hatman, The Ancient Legendary Archwizard[/b]
Hint: a hint in the name...
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[quote name='Galkin' timestamp='1336695755' post='5936625']
[b]Hatman[/b]
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[quote name='Galkin' timestamp='1336695755' post='5936625']
[size=8][b]Hatman[/b][/size]
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ITT:
[img]http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/David_Thornhill/32948-batman-hat1.jpg[/img]
OT: Honestly, I don't know how to summon this. :S

EDIT: Nevermind, I read the thread. All I have to say is... WTF

[Medivh]

Guy's, this alot easier then it seams. Recuprio Dragon or Formula Synchron + Level Tuning + Synchro Change.