Archlord Kristya

[Blake]

[center][img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110831191712/yugioh/images/thumb/1/13/ArchlordKristyaCT08-EN-SR-LE.jpg/300px-ArchlordKristyaCT08-EN-SR-LE.jpg[/img][/center]


[center]Absolutely terrible card design that should never have been printed[/center]

[center][spoiler=Oh and a theoretical Banlist][/center]
[center]Ban:[/center]
[center][color=#daa520]Archlord Krystia[/color][/center]
[center][color=#DAA520]Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning[/color][/center]
[center][color=#DAA520]Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow[/color][/center]
[center][color=#DAA520]Dark Armed Dragon[/color][/center]
[center][color=#DAA520]Exodia the Forbidden One (+Parts)[/color][/center]
[center][color=#DAA520]Gorz the Emissary of Darkness[/color][/center]
[center][color=#DAA520]Honest[/color][/center]
[center][color=#DAA520]Judgment Dragon[/color][/center]
[center][color=#DAA520]Morphing Jar[/color][/center]
[center][color=#daa520]Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon [/color][/center]
[center][color=#DAA520]Wind-up Hunter[/color][/center]
[center]Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier[/center]
[center][color=#000000][b]Lavalval Chain[/b][/color][/center]
[center][color=#000000][b]Wind-up Carrier Zenmaity[/b][/color][/center]
[center][color=#006400]Chain Strike[/color][/center]
[center][color=#006400]Final Countdown[/color][/center]
[center][color=#006400]Foolish Burial[/color][/center]
[center][color=#006400]Future Fusion[/color][/center]
[center][color=#006400]Gateway of the Six[/color][/center]
[center][color=#006400]Infernity Launcher[/color][/center]
[center][color=#006400]One Day of Peace[/color][/center]

[center]Limit:[/center]
[center][color=#daa520]Inzektor Centipede[/color][/center]
[center][color=#daa520]Rescue Rabbit[/color][/center]
[center][color=#daa520]Snoww, Unlight of Dark World[/color][/center]
[center][color=#DAA520]Tour Guide from the Underworld[/color][/center]
[center][color=#000000][b]Hieratic Dragon King of Atum[/b][/color][/center]
[center][color=#006400]Rekindling[/color][/center]

[center]Semi-Limit:[/center]
[center][color=#daa520]Master Hyperion[/color][/center]
[center][color=#DAA520]Neo-Spacian Grand Mole[/color][/center]
[center]Formula Synchron[/center]
[center][color=#006400]Black Whirlwind[/color][/center]

[center]Unlimited:[/center]
[center][color=#daa520]Agent of Mystery, Earth[/color][/center]
[center][color=#DAA520]Tsukuyomi[/color][/center]

[center]Co-worked thingy with Kanade and Chris... Nervous about Tsukuyomi, even if it is slow, and Chris was eh on 0 Foolish Burial.[/spoiler][/center]

[Expelsword]

Rekindling has to be semi or FIRE is worthless.
But anyway...
This card should have at least been a nomi...

[Toffee.]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1336275329' post='5933433']
Absolutely terrible card design[/quote]
>Venus + Shine Balls
>Has a self-Summoning clause, with an easy condition
>Can recycle itself
>2800 runs over almost anything
>Kill the Opponent's Special Summons(I KNOW PREVENTS ALL. BUT THE TIME YOU SUMMON IT, IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT)
>Fairy
>LIGHT
>Level 8

Literally every aspect of the card all at once,, makes it ridiculous.

[Expelsword]

[quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1336275697' post='5933441']
>Venus + Shine Balls
>Has a self-Summoning clause, with an easy condition
>Can recycle itself
>2800 runs over almost anything
>Kill the Opponent's Special Summons(I KNOW PREVENTS ALL. BUT THE TIME YOU SUMMON IT, IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT)
>Fairy
>LIGHT
>Level 8

Literally every aspect of the card all at once,, makes it ridiculous.
[/quote]

I call it Destiny Hero - Christguy.

[This Account is Unplayable]

[quote name='Expelsword - 信仰' timestamp='1336275692' post='5933440']
Rekindling has to be semi or FIRE is worthless.
But anyway...
This card should have at least been a nomi...
[/quote]

Better worthless than have a broken card make it good.

[Toffee.]

[quote name='Expelsword - 信仰' timestamp='1336275864' post='5933444']
I call it Destiny Hero - Christguy.
[/quote]
No, [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Destiny_HERO_-_The_Dark_Angel]that was an idiotic plot device[/url]

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

<Ban Kalut.
<Semi-Limit Whirlwind.

I thought the point was to make Blackwings good again.

Also, that very last effect seems to not exist, because the turn you get this card out is the turn you win.

[Lunar Origins]

Card is godly.

I own six.

You're just no fun, uh-huh. This card is amazing to play with.

You kids and your special summoning.

[-Berserker-]

This is one of my worst enemies. It's just too ridiculous. I should summon one just so my opponent cannot summon theirs...

[Lunar Origins]

[quote name='-Berserker-' timestamp='1336285951' post='5933527']
This is one of my worst enemies. It's just too ridiculous. I should summon one just so my opponent cannot summon theirs...
[/quote]

Be like me, bring out 1 of this right after summoning 3 Master Hyperion and one Sephylon.

Oh god, that duel was so good. Beckoning Light f***ed them over so much.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

I disagree on:
Gorz the Emissary of Darkness [b]TBH, it's fine at 1[/b]
Honest [b]Same[/b]
Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon [b]Because it's totally broken without Atums[/b]
Lavalval Chain [b]It itself isn't broken, it's the things it can search and mill[/b]
Wind-up Carrier Zenmaity [b]Without Hunter, no one will use it anyways[/b]
Foolish Burial [b]Most Graveyard abuse is DARK anyways. They have Arm Knight, and will use it instead. Useless to ban this.[/b]
Infernity Launcher [b]Without Brionac, Infernities can't loop[/b]
Inzektor Centipede [b]Ban Hornet, leave everything else intact. Bugs drop a tier, but don't die.[/b]
Rescue Rabbit [b]Fine at 3, just ban Laggia and Leviair[/b]

Anyhow, OT: One of those cards that are terrible card design and should be banned, but never will be because Agents died out.

[Manjoume Thunder]

>theoretical banlist
>semi-limited

there's your problem

[mido9]

ODOP is a redundant hit with the uncounterable lingering effect stall, uncounterable chainable burn,uncounterable mill and uncounterable scavenger hunt deck thin all torn to shreds.

OT: Dear konami TCG,stop making cards like this,please and thank you.

[Blake]

[quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1336287625' post='5933549']
I disagree on:
Gorz the Emissary of Darkness [b]TBH, it's fine at 1 [/b][i]Unhealthy mindset similar to "What if they have Mirror Force" but much worse.[/i]
Honest [b]Same [/b][i]Same.[/i]
Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon [b]Because it's totally broken without Atums [/b][i]Because Chaos Dragons totally aren't a top tier deck in the TCG while Hieratics are not.[/i]
Lavalval Chain [b]It itself isn't broken, it's the things it can search and mill[/b] [i]Uh, no. A walking Foolish/search is the problem, not the targets.[/i]
Wind-up Carrier Zenmaity [b]Without Hunter, no one will use it anyways[/b] [i]Can loop with @1 with Hunter... Which means it can loop @1 with something else.[/i]
Foolish Burial [b]Most Graveyard abuse is DARK anyways. They have Arm Knight, and will use it instead. Useless to ban this. [/b][i]This was an iffy one, but other things use the Grave as well and this is far more splashable than Arma Knight.[/i]
Infernity Launcher [b]Without Brionac, Infernities can't loop[/b] [i]How does this kill the mini-loop?[/i]
Inzektor Centipede [b]Ban Hornet, leave everything else intact. Bugs drop a tier, but don't die.[/b] [i]Or they can stay a semi-valid deck and just kill the consistency, and don't die.[/i]
Rescue Rabbit [b]Fine at 3, just ban Laggia and Leviair[/b] [i]You've yet to prove this logic as anything short of bogus in any conversation on it.[/i]

Anyhow, OT: One of those cards that are terrible card design and should be banned, but never will be because Agents died out.
[/quote]
It just needs to go so things can live with it dead =T

[quote name='mido9' timestamp='1336288375' post='5933556']
ODOP is a redundant hit with the uncounterable lingering effect stall, uncounterable chainable burn,uncounterable mill and uncounterable scavenger hunt deck thin all torn to shreds.

OT: Dear konami TCG,stop making cards like this,please and thank you.
[/quote]
It was Chris' idea to prevent restrictive design, I was iffy on it.

[mido9]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1336288481' post='5933557']
It just needs to go so things can live with it dead =T


It was Chris' idea to prevent restrictive design, I was iffy on it.
[/quote]

Wouldnt ODOP's existence prevent konami from making [u]broken[/u] new stall/mill/burn in fear of ODOP breaking them,nobody's complaining about ODOP + wave motion cannon since WMC is balanced but playable while everyone is complaining about ODOP + stupid final countdown.

[Lunar Origins]

This banlist sucks.

Both Konami's, and this one.

*Shrug.*

Yeah, I have nothing else to say, except that lol at your hopes and dreams for the list.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

I dunno how to multiquote, f*** it

Unhealthy mindset similar to "What if they have Mirror Force" but much worse. [b]Mind games are good for the game IMO.[/b]
Same [b]Same.[/b]
Because it's totally broken without Atums Because Chaos Dragons totally aren't a top tier deck in the TCG while Hieratics are not. [b]Researched, apparently yeah. I guess it's so.[/b]
Uh, no. A walking Foolish/search is the problem, not the targets. [b]Even so, how many top-tier decks can abuse Chain? Sure, it's broken, and it's terrible card design, but it's not abused.[/b]
Can loop with @1 with Hunter... Which means it can loop @1 with something else. [b]How many other Wind-Ups can clear your own field and do something to disrupt the opponent at the same time?[/b]
This was an iffy one, but other things use the Grave as well and this is far more splashable than Arma Knight. [b]Splashability is a good thing. Abusability isn't. In top-tiers, the only decks using Foolish are Inzektors and Dark Worlds (and apparently, in the TCG, Chaos Dragons). In all cases, the problems are each Hornet, Grapha, and...well, I don't know about Chaos Dragons but anyways you get my point. Foolish supports many decks, a majority undermeta, so it's bad card design that's good for the game.[/b]
How does this kill the mini-loop? [b]Who cares if Infernities can still loop, it's better than killing the entire deck[/b]
Or they can stay a semi-valid deck and just kill the consistency, and don't die. [b]I've tested this out once with friends as an experiment. Hornetless >>>>>>>> 1 Centi.[/b]
You've yet to prove this logic as anything short of bogus in any conversation on it. [b]The only reason Rabbit is used in tournament-play is Laggia. It's also used in hundreds of casual decks that don't deserve to be hit. Much like how I hate how they limited Lonefire and kept Dandy at 1, a bad banlist kills not only the abusive decks, but also the other, innocent things such as Gigavise. In that case, the better list would have kept Lonefire at 2 and banned Dandy. I think same thing goes for here. Q.E.D.[/b]

[mido9]

A good banlist hits broken/imbalanced cards regardless of how much an archtype needs them to survive.

And chain is not a problem anymore under this list with most of the things that are too good to stack/send gone,making chain barely playable but not broke,and chain is perfectly balanced on his own since losing 2 level 4s and not being able to do anything else that turn is ok as long as what it's stacking/sending isnt stupid enough to mitigate those two costs.

[Blake]

[quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1336289487' post='5933565']
I dunno how to multiquote, f*** it

Unhealthy mindset similar to "What if they have Mirror Force" but much worse. [b]Mind games are good for the game IMO. [/b][i]Mirror Force mind game is. Gorz/Honest mind game is not and promotes not going for the kill because OMGGORZORHONEST. It's /too/ good.[/i]
Same [b]Same.[/b]
Because it's totally broken without Atums Because Chaos Dragons totally aren't a top tier deck in the TCG while Hieratics are not. [b]Researched, apparently yeah. I guess it's so.[/b]
Uh, no. A walking Foolish/search is the problem, not the targets. [b]Even so, how many top-tier decks can abuse Chain? Sure, it's broken, and it's terrible card design, but it's not abused.[/b] [i]... It's a theoretical list. Arguing top tier here is kinda out there.[/i]
Can loop with @1 with Hunter... Which means it can loop @1 with something else. [b]How many other Wind-Ups can clear your own field and do something to disrupt the opponent at the same time?[/b] [i]As long as it exists, it's a time bomb threatening death on the game, consistent or not.[/i]
This was an iffy one, but other things use the Grave as well and this is far more splashable than Arma Knight. [b]Splashability is a good thing. Abusability isn't. In top-tiers, the only decks using Foolish are Inzektors and Dark Worlds (and apparently, in the TCG, Chaos Dragons). In all cases, the problems are each Hornet, Grapha, and...well, I don't know about Chaos Dragons but anyways you get my point. Foolish supports many decks, a majority undermeta, so it's bad card design that's good for the game. [/b][i]Glow-up supported the undermeta, it was splashable, it was only used in a couple meta decks. Granted, it was a +1 tuner, but this is the best -1 in the game. Splashability can be too good. [/i]
[i]H[/i]ow does this kill the mini-loop? [b]Who cares if Infernities can still loop, it's better than killing the entire deck[/b] [i]Randomizer Control is a deck. A casual deck, but a deck nonetheless.[/i]
Or they can stay a semi-valid deck and just kill the consistency, and don't die. [b]I've tested this out once with friends as an experiment. Hornetless >>>>>>>> 1 Centi.[/b] [i]Or we can keep the deck as, y'know, Inzektors, just without the ability to be stupid outta nowhere.[/i]
You've yet to prove this logic as anything short of bogus in any conversation on it. [b]The only reason Rabbit is used in tournament-play is Laggia. It's also used in hundreds of casual decks that don't deserve to be hit. Much like how I hate how they limited Lonefire and kept Dandy at 1, a bad banlist kills not only the abusive decks, but also the other, innocent things such as Gigavise. In that case, the better list would have kept Lonefire at 2 and banned Dandy. I think same thing goes for here. Q.E.D.[/b] [i]Laggia is NOT the only reason. If they rely on Rabbit, they don't deserve to die. As long as it lives, it begs to be abused, and it will be eventually. It's no different than keeping Exodia and the like alive. It's a time bomb. It's not comparable to Lonefire, it's comparable to Rescue Cat.[/i]
[/quote]

[quote name='mido9' timestamp='1336289848' post='5933567']
A good banlist hits broken/imbalanced cards regardless of how much an archtype needs them to survive.

And chain is not a problem anymore under this list with most of the things that are too good to stack/send gone,making chain barely playable but not broke,and chain is perfectly balanced on his own since losing 2 level 4s and not being able to do anything else that turn is ok as long as what it's stacking/sending isnt stupid enough to mitigate those two costs.
[/quote]
Pretty much, yeah.

Rabbit's not the only quick Chain, so its potential is always going to be there. It might not be immediately broken as is with the theoretical list, but until Zenmaity appeared, it was the one people wanted to see banlist attention first, and it's not really redeemed itself.

[mido9]

[quote name=&#39;Yuzuru Otonashi&#39; timestamp=&#39;1336290138&#39; post=&#39;5933570&#39;]<br/>
Pretty much, yeah.
Rabbit's not the only quick Chain, so its potential is always going to be there. It might not be immediately broken as is with the theoretical list, but until Zenmaity appeared, it was the one people wanted to see banlist attention first, and it's not really redeemed itself.
[/quote]
Lavalval is unplayable trash in it's own merits,a -1 to drop that prevents you from doing anything that turn and has a real restriction of needing two level 4s,something decks cant readily sacrifice,any sorts of "Achieved brokeness potential" with lavalval chain are 100% the other new stuff that can come out soon's problems,be it free level 4s with rabbit or stuff like BLSEOTB that's too good to stack.

[Agro]

Was I just told that Mirror Force was unhealthy for the game...?

[Blake]

[quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1336299649' post='5933599']
Was I just told that Mirror Force was unhealthy for the game...?
[/quote]
You really lack reading comprehension skills, considering how often you do this.

No, Mirror Force is not. Gorz is like Mirror Force on crack as a mind game, so it is.

[Agro]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1336299800' post='5933600']
You really lack reading comprehension skills, considering how often you do this.

No, Mirror Force is not. Gorz is like Mirror Force on crack as a mind game, so it is.
[/quote]No, I didn't misread. You worded it poorly, since that's a perfectly acceptable way to interpret your sentence.

And I know you have a problem with me, but taking every opportunity you have to flaunt it isn't making me look bad. :\

[Blake]

[quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1336300262' post='5933602']
No, I didn't misread. You worded it poorly, since that's a perfectly acceptable way to interpret your sentence.

And I know you have a problem with me, but taking every opportunity you have to flaunt it isn't making me look bad. :\
[/quote]
Yet you obviously knew what I meant, so why are you making this point? Don't be a hypocrite.

OT: Needs to be banned so it's not a restrictive presence.

[Agro]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1336300740' post='5933607']
Yet you obviously knew what I meant, so why are you making this point? Don't be a hypocrite.
[/quote]Because I didn't know what you meant because I "misread" it due to poor placement of words. :\

OT: Yes, it's bad, but it won't see the list because it's just not relevant. Konami could care less about casual play.