Catterjune Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 First and foremost, full disclosure: I have never made a club. I would not like to make a club. I think I only joined one club in my 3 or so years on YCM, and it died shortly after I joined anyway. As someone who does not visit clubs nor has any friends on YCM I can not call myself an expert on the subject so most of what I say is mostly heresay and conjecture. I think ultimately there are 3 types of "clubs" within the C&O section. There's those that are legitimate people trying to do something like work on a story or card set or some other project like that (YCM Weekly, F.A.R. Studios, The Workshop), there's those that are merely fan clubs (WWE Universe, Sugar Cube Corner) and lastly clubs that are random spam, people who got rejected from the roleplay section, and just other general chatty Cathys. (I'll keep the examples to myself) I believe the idea is that "Fan Clubs" and the like be moved to a more appropriate sections. Video game fan clubs should be in the video game section, my little pony fan clubs should be in TV, random spam and the like should be gotten rid of (or made into an actual legit roleplay) and those that actually are working on something... get to keep the section all to themselves? I dunno. Mods take the stick out of their asses and not be so harsh for when a conversation organically comes up, and then... other stuff. And this makes the forum better? *shrug* I think that is what Frunk is trying to say. So... like... yeah? Discuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinnamonStar Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 > been a moderator here for about 4 years > the only active ones who have been around longer are Crab Helmet, Frunk and SushiTheLegend > but totally new I quite like the idea of staying eternally youthful, thank you. *looks for wrinkles* But on a more serious note, I do agree that the lolicon club was a screw-up on my part and I can apologize a few additional times for it. This is the only topic title in the section that I was not exactly familiar with, though I did my research on that part. I do agree however that the section isn't even moderated by 2 people, but by one right now and that a moderator from a different timezone would help watching the section around the clock rather than just for one part. I mean, what about you? Wouldn't you be interested into showing us less old mods how things are done properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted April 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 @evilfusion, I edited my previous post with a short response to your previous post. [quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1333466920' post='5900092'] First and foremost, full disclosure: I have never made a club. I would not like to make a club. I think I only joined one club in my 3 or so years on YCM, and it died shortly after I joined anyway. As someone who does not visit clubs nor has any friends on YCM I can not call myself an expert on the subject so most of what I say is mostly heresay and conjecture. I think ultimately there are 3 types of "clubs" within the C&O section. There's those that are legitimate people trying to do something like work on a story or card set or some other project like that (YCM Weekly, F.A.R. Studios, The Workshop), there's those that are merely fan clubs (WWE Universe, Sugar Cube Corner) and lastly clubs that are random spam, people who got rejected from the roleplay section, and just other general chatty Cathys. (I'll keep the examples to myself) I believe the idea is that "Fan Clubs" and the like be moved to a more appropriate sections. Video game fan clubs should be in the video game section, my little pony fan clubs should be in TV, random spam and the like should be gotten rid of (or made into an actual legit roleplay) and those that actually are working on something... get to keep the section all to themselves? I dunno. Mods take the stick out of their asses and not be so harsh for when a conversation organically comes up, and then... other stuff. And this makes the forum better? *shrug* I think that is what Frunk is trying to say. So... like... yeah? Discuss? [/quote] For the record, yes, that is essentially exactly what I am trying to saying. If you'll pardon the oxymoron "essentially exactly". [quote name='evilfusiοn' timestamp='1333467340' post='5900094'] > been a moderator here for about 4 years > the only active ones who have been around longer are Crab Helmet, Frunk and SushiTheLegend > but totally new I quite like the idea of staying eternally youthful, thank you. *looks for wrinkles* But on a more serious note, I do agree that the lolicon club was a screw-up on my part and I can apologize a few additional times for it. This is the only topic title in the section that I was not exactly familiar with, though I did my research on that part. I do agree however that the section isn't even moderated by 2 people, but by one right now and that a moderator from a different timezone would help watching the section around the clock rather than just for one part. I mean, what about you? Wouldn't you be interested into showing us less old mods who things are done properly? [/quote] My suggestion that some moderators may struggle to moderate topics given a lack of knowledge/interest in many of the clubs certainly applies to me, but I would be more than happy to try, focusing mostly only on spam and inappropriate content while making note of anything that I feel you should be sure to take a look at (it is technically under my jurisdiction anyway). Being in Australia my time zone is a favourable point-of-difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 But if fan clubs were moved to Multimedia, wouldn't that clutter up the forum? Plus, there is the issue of trolls which are far more common in the normal sections. C&O gives an illusion of privacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Are you some kinda stupid? Wall of text later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 [quote name='Greiga te Jalokia' timestamp='1333467931' post='5900099'] Are you some kinda stupid? [/quote] Frunk is hardly being stupid in this case. And what Pika said also makes a whole lot of sense. I support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Well I just saw what Pika said, but I'll have your comprehensive essay later. Evilfusion's is better than I could write but you can argue on msn/skype with me if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelds9 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 This can't be serious. No support for multiple reasons. 1) C&O is probably the largest part of YCM right now. Many of the top posters on our site thrive there. If it was gone, The Real DL would have about 5000 posts instead of 45000. Yuzuru Otonashi would have about 15000 instead of 35000. 2) Without C&O, thousands of threads would be made eac day, making YCM very hectic, and probably less active as a result... 3) What has C&O EVER done to you to make you want it gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astolfo Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 [color=#000066][b]What the [rainbows and bunnies interrupt] are you smoking, Devil?[/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I should also post here that before everyone goes DA on me, I already apologized to Frunk... kinda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinnamonStar Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 [color=#ff0066][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Just to underline the fact that I'm not evilfusion due to the April's Fool prank and will stay that way until the 7th, I'm adding the font and colour back. The thing is, moving the different fanclubs to the fitting Multimedia section sounds like a decent idea on paper. However, by looking at how many of these threads, even Pokémon or Anime-related clubs exist...it does seem like a giant load of a lot and would cause an assault on the respective forums. Not to mention that the soccer club café talk atmosphere is pretty much gone. In addition, screw me for bringing up a personal example into this now, but there are certain threads (YCM Weekly for example *cough*) who benefit from the section and would not really fit anywhere else. Preparing the show in General in front of everyone would kind of take away the suspense and I'm not sure if people would still be interested into the actual edition if they've already read it all. Same would count for the other project groups and also, let's not forget these, the clubs that are actually based on helping beginners and giving mutual input for improvement (Newb Defense League, The Fanfiction Review and Writing Committee, F.A.R. Studios, The Workshop). [quote name='Frunk' timestamp='1333465912' post='5900082'] @evilfusion: You've made some very good points. Clubs & Organisations was initially created for those threads that were not General or Multimedia topics (n.b.: Multimedia didn't exist in those days either). I have no issue with Clubs & Organisations existing for those threads, however I feel we should do as much as possible to allow for the wider community to participate in the discussion of the topics cover by the other type of Clubs & Organisations that are on General or Multimedia topics. In other words, I can see great benefit to changing things than retaining the status quo. [/quote] Sounds exciting to me and all, but are there any other ideas for changing things that you would see great benefit in, other than removing the section as a whole?[/font][/color] [color=#FF0066][font=comic sans ms,cursive]I like hearing input from people on how to improve the section, so keep it going guys. But the total removal of all of it rather sounds like a last-minute-resort to me and only like a plan if everything is really out of repair. As for the first thing, I can't help but disagree. The section has moved quite far away from General and Multimedia topics, seeing that people have figured out when their topics are better posted there and when they belong to C/O. Second point: I still don't really see how C/O apparently looks like some sort of closed bunker to some people that only the chosen ones can access. All clubs right now do accept new members and are more than willing to do so from what I've seen, but all it takes is filling some 3 lines application and you're accepted. The discussions do seem open to a wider community to me, if you're interested into joining. (I'll also drop a short mention there that most club posters are members of more than one club, so the ganging up risk is significantly lower.)[/font][/color] [color=#FF0066][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Granted, the only difference here happens to be my own club, the YCM Weekly, but that's because we're a redaction for a show and we're already 11 people working on one issue.O_o Anyone who wants to follow the process is free to post and give his input though, but at least the people who want to keep the suspense up don't get it flushed under their nose.[/font][/color] [font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#FF0066][quote name='shelds9' timestamp='1333468638' post='5900115'] This can't be serious. No support for multiple reasons. 1) C&O is probably the largest part of YCM right now. Many of the top posters on our site thrive there. If it was gone, The Real DL would have about 5000 posts instead of 45000. Yuzuru Otonashi would have about 15000 instead of 35000. 2) Without C&O, thousands of threads would be made eac day, making YCM very hectic, and probably less active as a result... 3) What has C&O EVER done to you to make you want it gone? [/quote][/color][/font] [color=#ff0066][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Not trying to be evil, but the first argument sounds like a very bad one.:/[/font][/color] [color=#FF0066][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Several people have already made their point about the specific sort of communication and friendship platform the section offers, but post count...should better stay out of the discussion.=S[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Random and unorganized thoughts: - Exclusivity: If that's your argument then you might as well advocate banning RPs, Card Contests, and DN Tournaments under the same "exclusivity" clause. - More moderators: So let's pretend we have 6 active mods on YCM. Your suggesting that we add 6 more mods just to keep one section exactly the way it is? That's silly. You're silly. Also there's the fact that moderations would become inconsistent from club to club. - C&O makes people happy!: There's a lot of things that make people happy, but that doesn't always mean it's a good thing to have. In any case, I don't think C&O needs to be removed. At the very least, I'm not convinced it is a threat to the board or anything like that. If there's anything more that needs to be said... well... that's what this topic is for, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelds9 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 [quote name='evilfusiοn' timestamp='1333469360' post='5900130'] [color=#ff0066][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Not trying to be evil, but the first argument sounds like a very bad one.:/[/font][/color] [color=#FF0066][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Several people have already made their point about the specific sort of communication and friendship platform the section offers, but post count...should better stay out of the discussion.=S[/font][/color] [/quote] OK, but my most important question remains... What has C&O done to any of you to make you want it gone? I would just like to know. What would moving it accomplish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Can we just agree that suggesting ANYTHING while YCMaker is in his slumber is pointless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuimicVital Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I believe C&O is the only reason why YCM is still standing. Well, if we planned to definetly killl YCM, we could close it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I couldn't help but notice that you spelled "Organizations" wrong. Must have been a hasty post. I'm neutral to this. If C&O gets scrapped, this forum will not be as fun for most people. However, a link to a chat room can always be substituted with the C&O forum page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted April 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 It's spelled with an 's' in all intelligent parts of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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