Legend Zero Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Why does mage get an opinion in this forum's actions? idgi I was actually thinking of creating something along the lines of a "TCG and You" thread, but idk. I actually don't post a thread unless it is something that actually interest me anymore. I think the only thing we need is members to actually post quantity (and hopefully quality) in threads, which I myself have been a failure at doing. The threads of over discussing cards is what is crippling imo. We are so focused on the meta that we run out of cards so fast, causing a loop. Things like "Did you know ___ had ATK points" doesn't help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 [quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1332897574' post='5891854'] I'm completely okay with that. And how would you suggest writing it as a rule? Or should that little ending section of the rules be a rule as opposed to just a "general vague suggestion"? [/quote] The problem isn't changing the rules as much as changing the attitude of the section. We've had people in the past, regulars who mock/insult/flame/troll lesser players for making idiot comments about cards instead of telling them why they think it's bad, then others pile on, either derailing the thread into a 12 page orgy of spam, or driving the lesser player into rage, and that person either leaves the site, leaves the section, or gets banned. Last Fall, one member went nuts because of TCG's supposed negative atmosphere. After some drama in the section I never saw, he began trolling the section by knowingly posting stupid comments, and when another member called him out, he altered his post and pretended the responder altered his comment. He then took to the status bar, insulting the TCG section as a whole until Icy banned him for a few weeks. Even after being unbanned, he never came back to YCM. This happens because higher-star, "respected" members get away with it, and lower members see this, see the massive reps that member got, then follow suit. Now, not ALL the higher members in TCG are like this. Evilfusion for example can go back and forth without sticking his head in his rear and going to the meme jokebook. I don't know how to put it into a rule, but I see the newly updated TCG rules, and notice you have addressed this by telling us to respect each other, which is a step in the right direction. Why not build on it? Promote a format on how to properly respond to opposing opinions. It doesn't have to be strict like RC's advanced clause and have word counts and whatnot, but just a simple guide on how to discuss without being a jerk. That way, people can't complain when THEY get into trouble for being an idiot to a bad player who adamantly believes "Parasite Paracide should be ran in Inzektors because it's Insect-Type" and who won't listen. It's human nature to react to negativity with negativity, bad players are more likely to listen if they receive responses that have reason and not "you're a scrub." The goal of my rambling is that TCG should become a place with people, casual and competitive (which we have at the time of this post) who share their honest opinions on cards without fear of sarcasm or accusations of stupidity. Different opinions means actual discussion. Comments in other sections like "stay away from TCG bcuz they'll destroy u 4 disagreeing with them" stems from the belief from non-TCGers that TCG brutally shoots down disagreement. We as a whole in TCG, especially the good to decent players and those who have the popularity to influence others have to change our mindset on this. When we do, in time, the section's reputation improves, YCM will change their views of us, more people will come to TCG, and most importantly, the good players' knowledge of the game will rub off on them. This is where the deck section also comes in, where the good players help the bad through fixes and constructive reasoning for those fixes so the bad player understands why they should run card A over card B. I'm not saying that good players should sugarcoat their posts with rainbows and ponies. They can be blunt and to the point, and provide the information needed to help other players. I've been on this site almost every day for 4 years, and TCG has greatly improved from an unwelcome spamhole to it's more welcoming state, and it go further than that from what I can see. [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1332902096' post='5891964'] The threads of over discussing cards is what is crippling imo. We are so focused on the meta that we run out of cards so fast, causing a loop. Things like "Did you know ___ had ATK points" doesn't help either. [/quote] Another problem. We're too confined to what we know is good. Why discuss an obvious gamewinner like Quasar when we could discuss possible techs? LuffyLaxer from deck section would often promote techs like My Body As A Shield in decks. There are over 2000 cards in the game and we always discuss the same 5 cards over and over until the format changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 [quote name='God Crouton!!!' timestamp='1332906736' post='5892069'] The problem isn't changing the rules as much as changing the attitude of the section. We've had people in the past, regulars who mock/insult/flame/troll lesser players for making idiot comments about cards instead of telling them why they think it's bad, then others pile on, either derailing the thread into a 12 page orgy of spam, or driving the lesser player into rage, and that person either leaves the site, leaves the section, or gets banned. Last Fall, one member went nuts because of TCG's supposed negative atmosphere. After some drama in the section I never saw, he began trolling the section by knowingly posting stupid comments, and when another member called him out, he altered his post and pretended the responder altered his comment. He then took to the status bar, insulting the TCG section as a whole until Icy banned him for a few weeks. Even after being unbanned, he never came back to YCM. This happens because higher-star, "respected" members get away with it, and lower members see this, see the massive reps that member got, then follow suit. Now, not ALL the higher members in TCG are like this. Evilfusion for example can go back and forth without sticking his head in his rear and going to the meme jokebook. Another problem. We're too confined to what we know is good. Why discuss an obvious gamewinner like Quasar when we could discuss possible techs? LuffyLaxer from deck section would often promote techs like My Body As A Shield in decks. There are over 2000 cards in the game and we always discuss the same 5 cards over and over until the format changes. [/quote] Just for the record, MBX actually got perma'd after the fact for trying to make alts and such, or so I was told, but the result is the same so it's moot. Honestly, this is exactly the sort of thing we need here. Techs, hypotheticals, discussions on mechanics (Current Xyz Mechanic thread worked better than I hoped), and random cards that we rarely if ever discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I agree with most of this, but have just one thing. What if someone, such as in kingdom Neos's case, never improves? How are we supposed to deal with those types of members? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1332924055' post='5892229'] I agree with most of this, but have just one thing. What if someone, such as in kingdom Neos's case, never improves? How are we supposed to deal with those types of members? [/quote] I was once like him. We just have to get him hit by the meta train, actually show examples of why cards are how they are. How I got decent was that I made a deck to fight the meta and then I constantly tested and developed it, so just convice him to do something along those lines. @LZ: Same reason homeless people can vote. Even if nobody likes them or they're outliers, they're still part of the community. If even Pika read his argument, you can too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1332924055' post='5892229'] I agree with most of this, but have just one thing. What if someone, such as in kingdom Neos's case, never improves? How are we supposed to deal with those types of members? [/quote] Well, this is a complicated case, but it can be solved by advising him to only post on the casual side of the game, or that we at least recognize that his knowledge is not fitted for the metagame side. We can try to make him improve though, but we all know it's a tough mission. With that said, I wish we could divide the section between competitive and casual, but that would require YCMaker's services, unless we could make a system of tags on the topic title, like [Competitive] or [Casual] discussions (not required on individual cards), but dunno if this would be messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 [quote name='Greiga te Jalokia' timestamp='1332929485' post='5892240'] @LZ: Same reason homeless people can vote. Even if nobody likes them or they're outliers, they're still part of the community. If even Pika read his argument, you can too. [/quote] This is honestly the dumbest thing I have ever heard and if you truly believe this then I feel sorry for you. He is not part of the community, he has been permabanned. He had his chance[b][u]s[/b][/u] to be part of the community, which he blew. He gets no rights, no votes, and no say in what this forum does. OT: I think that there is really nothing for the mods to do in this case, just get as many people as possible to improve their posting (which I myself have already done). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1332924055' post='5892229'] I agree with most of this, but have just one thing. [b]What if someone, such as in kingdom Neos's case, never improves? How are we supposed to deal with those types of members?[/b] [/quote] I'd say counter his point and move on, or just ignore him. Unlike Rag who was in RC everyday making bad post after bad post, Neos is more of a rare occurance.[quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1332938647' post='5892296'] OT: I think that there is really nothing for the mods to do in this case, just get as many people as possible to improve their posting (which I myself have already done). [/quote] I've started making threads on cards never discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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