El Majishan Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 So I had an extra $20 laying around and decided to waste it and order the Dragon starter deck of Amazon just because I find the cover art to be bad ass (I honestly have no idea what cards are in the deck or what the cards actally do) My question is are they any good, or should I have gotten the one with that Knight on it? Also as I do more research on the game...what type of competitive deck can be made based around that bad ass dragon looking dude (Dragonic Overlord)....provide links to examples if possible. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Both of the Trial decks are actually good for players who are just starting. If you invest about $20 into singles to improve the deck, you can play competatively (Kageros are least expensive too, since Overlord is their main G3). If you're on a budget, then you made the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted March 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 [quote name='Wingal Brave' timestamp='1332139400' post='5878168'] Both of the Trial decks are actually good for players who are just starting. If you invest about $20 into singles to improve the deck, you can play competatively (Kageros are least expensive too, since Overlord is their main G3). If you're on a budget, then you made the right choice. [/quote] Thats good to know, thanks. Mind giving a few examples of singles i should get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Pick up Conroe. He'll be your best Starting Vanguard. I would recommend Baryis, but those are $20 apiece. Tahrs are like $5, and a good Trigger, and then Dragon Knight Berger is a good G2 to have, while only costing a little bit (again, like $5) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathSDelano Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 [quote name='Wingal Brave' timestamp='1332140779' post='5878178'] Pick up Conroe. He'll be your best Starting Vanguard. I would recommend Baryis, but those are $20 apiece. Tahrs are like $5, and a good Trigger, and then Dragon Knight Berger is a good G2 to have, while only costing a little bit (again, like $5) [/quote] Conroe is more or less Kagero staple if you can get him. Almost all except a few Kagero builds use him[need to get my hands on one though >.> luckily i have triple Rare Blaster blade thats worth 1 conroe and 2 Tahrs] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 To put it simply, Kagero is the best budget deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathSDelano Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 [quote name='byakklon Omega' timestamp='1332187742' post='5878934'] To put it simply, Kagero is the best budget deck. [/quote] unless you want to go into the Blazing Flare Dragon build than it gets pricey[really pricey].... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 [quote name='DeathSDelano' timestamp='1332188367' post='5878958'] unless you want to go into the Blazing Flare Dragon build than it gets pricey[really pricey].... [/quote] Blazing Flare is bad though. Amber Dragons and Ji Endo are the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 I played Amber for a while... I was kinda unimpressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted March 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 I pick up a few copies of Embodiment of Victory, Aleph. Is he any good? Flipping over used counter blasts seems pretty useful, plus being able to superior ride is pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Neve played Aleph before, but I hear he's the easiest to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathSDelano Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 [quote name='Kurono Kei' timestamp='1332300012' post='5881660'] I pick up a few copies of Embodiment of Victory, Aleph. Is he any good? Flipping over used counter blasts seems pretty useful, plus being able to superior ride is pretty cool. [/quote] in the early days of Vanguard where we only had 1 pack and 2 trial decks to work with. Yes he was awesome just overtime he lost his status because of blazing flare dragon, better grade 3s for kagero etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Aleph was the first Tier 1 deck. It was quickly replaced as there became more than 2 decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted March 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Ok, so i'll just run Aleph.dek until I become more comfortable with game...I may move on to Blazing Flare or Amber Dragon (when it comes out in English). I know you said Aleph got over shadowed...but is it still competitive by today's standards or has it moved to the status of a "fun deck". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 [quote name='Kurono Kei' timestamp='1332491785' post='5884915'] Ok, so i'll just run Aleph.dek until I become more comfortable with game...I may move on to Blazing Flare or Amber Dragon (when it comes out in English). I know you said Aleph got over shadowed...but is it still competitive by today's standards or has it moved to the status of a "fun deck". [/quote] In the OCG, it's right in between fun deck and competitive deck. In the English version, It's still very competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted March 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 [quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1332493112' post='5884926'] In the OCG, it's right in between fun deck and competitive deck. In the English version, It's still very competitive. [/quote] Great. What about Blazing Flare and Amber Dragon? Are they doing well in the OCG? I read somewhere the DOTE is the deck to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 [quote name='Kurono Kei' timestamp='1332493678' post='5884930'] Great. What about Blazing Flare and Amber Dragon? Are they doing well in the OCG? I read somewhere the DOTE is the deck to beat. [/quote] I'd say DOTE is bar none the best build out there, followed a ways behind by the Amber build, then the Aleph build just barely behind that, then Blazing Flare, which is about the worst quality deck available for Kagero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted March 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 I see, thanks for filling me in. if you can please post a link to a good Aleph build..I wish to compare mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Really? Why is Blazing Flare worse than Aleph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted March 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 [quote name='Expelsword - ä¿¡ä»°' timestamp='1332530909' post='5885425'] Really? Why is Blazing Flare worse than Aleph? [/quote] After thinking it over it makes sense...Chances are when you S.ride to him you're only going to have 4 cards in soul (if your starting VG was Conroe), and from what I can tell Kagero does not have a consistent way of soul charging out side of Vortex Dragon to really abuse Blazing Flare's eff...sure you can use Kimnala but its just not consistent enough in my opinion. Where as Aleph's ability reuse CBs as soon you S.Ride is a lot more useful..even his +3000/+1 critical can be a game ender. That's just the opinion of noob anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathSDelano Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 [quote name='Kurono Kei' timestamp='1332585237' post='5886112'] After thinking it over it makes sense...Chances are when you S.ride to him you're only going to have 4 cards in soul (if your starting VG was Conroe), and from what I can tell Kagero does not have a consistent way of soul charging out side of Vortex Dragon to really abuse Blazing Flare's eff...sure you can use Kimnala but its just not consistent enough in my opinion. Where as Aleph's ability reuse CBs as soon you S.Ride is a lot more useful..even his +3000/+1 critical can be a game ender. That's just the opinion of noob anyway. [/quote] Umm you have more than the S.ride and Kimnala to soul charge for kageros: Galting Claw can use his cb to put himself in soul[even if there is no valid target as cb and sending to soul is a cost according to bushiroad] then you also have this guy: [url="http://cardfight.wikia.com/wiki/Flame-Edge_Dragon"]http://cardfight.wikia.com/wiki/Flame-Edge_Dragon[/url] and also you don't have to retire everything all the time and Blazing Flare dragon shouldn't be the only unit you have that can retire rg. I've also seen builds when Blazing flare dragon has been used with DIs and various other clans that soulcharge out the rear. The down side to aleph is the boost really isn't that much[sure it eats shields but your most likely at the piont when they have to guard] and has a heavy cos on the cb[4 to cb] if you don't have Tahr and Bahr in soul. When you could have used those cbs to either retire enemy rgs or using Overlord's cb to either force guards or when they are low on guards and kill their rearguard. The only reason right now Aleph is better to use is because irl its cheaper to go aleph route than blazing flare dragon route[as blazing flare is $25 each]. Sure now-a-days with the End, blazing flare usage has dropped, but during time frame of pack 2-4 he was more useful than aleph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted March 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 [quote name='DeathSDelano' timestamp='1332603843' post='5886336'] Umm you have more than the S.ride and Kimnala to soul charge for kageros: Galting Claw can use his cb to put himself in soul[even if there is no valid target as cb and sending to soul is a cost according to bushiroad] then you also have this guy: [url="http://cardfight.wikia.com/wiki/Flame-Edge_Dragon"]http://cardfight.wik...ame-Edge_Dragon[/url] and also you don't have to retire everything all the time and Blazing Flare dragon shouldn't be the only unit you have that can retire rg. I've also seen builds when Blazing flare dragon has been used with DIs and various other clans that soulcharge out the rear. The down side to aleph is the boost really isn't that much[sure it eats shields but your most likely at the piont when they have to guard] and has a heavy cos on the cb[4 to cb] if you don't have Tahr and Bahr in soul. When you could have used those cbs to either retire enemy rgs or using Overlord's cb to either force guards or when they are low on guards and kill their rearguard. The only reason right now Aleph is better to use is because irl its cheaper to go aleph route than blazing flare dragon route[as blazing flare is $25 each]. Sure now-a-days with the End, blazing flare usage has dropped, but during time frame of pack 2-4 he was more useful than aleph. [/quote] I forgot about Flame Edge...but even with that, Blazing Flare just seems like its good on paper and sub par in practice. (Again thats just my opinion.) And Im pretty sure Aleph was more used for the Damage flipping than his first eff seeing as how well it works with Overlord, Berserk Dragon ect ect..(thats how I would use him) And I know BFD can go well with DIs but I was speaking in the context of a strictly Kagero build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathSDelano Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 [quote name='Kurono Kei' timestamp='1332607341' post='5886442'] I forgot about Flame Edge...but even with that, Blazing Flare just seems like its good on paper and sub par in practice. (Again thats just my opinion.) And Im pretty sure Aleph was more used for the Damage flipping than his first eff seeing as how well it works with Overlord, Berserk Dragon ect ect..(thats how I would use him) And I know BFD can go well with DIs but I was speaking in the context of a strictly Kagero build. [/quote] This is coming from a person who plays kagero and been playing since this game started. Once Blazing Flare came into the picture Aleph was knocked out of kageros when he came out. There were some mix of aleph + Blazing flare decks but those slowly turned into Blazing Flare's deck. And blazing flare is nice in practice because the power boost can stack and if you can time your retiring right you can get him boosted by his own ability that it makes it hard for the opponent to stop him without prefect shield. Plus the fact that Blazing flare gets his own boost even while in the Rearguard. While aleph is alittle more situational because you will not always be able to get Tahr and Bahr in soul via S.ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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