Catterjune Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 [quote]You try and fight back after getting shocked like that. I'm surprised she was even conscious. If you get shocked you're pretty much screwed unless you can redirect it like Mako. [/quote] Plenty of characters have gotten shocked and gotten back up relatively quickly. Mako and Bolin both got up pretty much instantly after they fell off the electric ladder in The Revelation. They also only took about a minute or two before making an exit on Naga after getting shocked a second time. Heck, Lin and Tenzin were up in about 3 minutes after they got taken out by the tanks in The Aftermath. It seems plenty of time has passed between when Lin was taken (seemed to be about late afternoon/evening) and when Amon met with her (late at night). Honestly, Lin deserved better then what she got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montez Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 [quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1339976141' post='5958415'] Plenty of characters have gotten shocked and gotten back up relatively quickly. Mako and Bolin both got up pretty much instantly after they fell off the electric ladder in The Revelation. They also only took about a minute or two before making an exit on Naga after getting shocked a second time. Heck, Lin and Tenzin were up in about 3 minutes after they got taken out by the tanks in The Aftermath. It seems plenty of time has passed between when Lin was taken (seemed to be about late afternoon/evening) and when Amon met with her (late at night). Honestly, Lin deserved better then what she got. [/quote] I agree with what you're saying that Lin deserved better, but during the time between when she was taken and Amon met her, she may have been tortured or shocked some more. That time period makes it less likely that she would be able to fight, not more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Even if she could have fought back, she wouldn't have. With Amon there as well as all the chi blockers she would've known to fight back would've been futile, so she merely accepted her fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 You know I personally have a theory about Amon [b]Amon Theory:[/b] I'm not sure if anyone else has realized this, but I have noticed something about Amon’s energy bending/de-bending throughout each episode. [i]The more he uses the technique, the faster and stronger he/the technique becomes.[/i] I will go through the show to show you what I mean [b]1) The Revelation[/b] Where we first see his power. He is obviously Fast and Gets Zolt with extreme evasiveness. here are the statistics[list] [*]He has his thumb on his head for a good [b]8 seconds[/b] [*]Zolt was completely conscious, but just weak. [/list] [img]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5s4v6mIdp1r7v6aq.png[/img] [b]2) Tahno and teammates[/b] So When he takes away the wolfbats bending,[list] [*]His thumb was on Tahno’s head for [b]4 seconds[/b] [*]Tahno and his teammates were barely strong enough to swim to the ledge, then slowly look passing out. Like Fire Lord Ozai [/list] [img]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5s51x5z6F1r7v6aq.png[/img] [b]3) Tarrlok [/b] So in this scene we take a turn here. Now it can be debated how Amon was able to resist bloodbending, and that maybe he’s just that strong. But thats not my point in this one. In this one,[list] [*]His hand is on Tarrlok’s head for barely [b]2 seconds[/b] (judging on his scream) [*]Its been a good 3 episodes since we last saw him, and since he stated in episode 6 that war has started he [i]could[/i] have taken many other people’s bending. [*]Tarrlok immediately [i]Passes out[/i] [/list] [i][img]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5s5crUxzL1r7v6aq.png[/img][/i] [b]4) Lin Beifong[/b] I can still barely think of this *whimpers* But when Amon took Lins bending it was near same effect as Tarrlok[list] [*]His thumb was on her head for barely [b]2 seconds[/b] [*]She immediately passes out, With the same open eyes as Tarrlok had when he was falling. [/list] [img]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5s5hiAb8z1r7v6aq.png[/img] [b]5) Finale trailer[/b] Now this is terrifying. This is what made me start this in the first place[list] [*]Amon [i]presses[/i] his thumb against a benders head for[b] less than a second[/b] [*]He immediately passes out With a scream [/list] [img]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5s5pt7rfh1r7v6aq.png[/img][list] [*]I cant talk about the end of the trailer with Amon and Korra, because we dont see the whole thing and she’s the avatar. [/list][b]So Thats my theory that Amon is Absorbing power for himself. [/b] I dont have any idea what he could be because of the bloodbendung resistance, but My personal theory on that is that he is maybe a spirit who crossed over to the physical world like Wan shi tong or something, but takes form in a human body, Like The [i]avatar[/i] does. Maybe he is the spirit of equality. I still believe Amon is a [i]HUMAN, [/i]But with Spirit abilities LIKE the avatar. … Thoughts anyone? Thanks for taking the time to read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 I like your theory about his powers. As for who he is, I'm sure everyone knows my stance by now, if they've been reading the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 [quote name='Shradow' timestamp='1339976653' post='5958421'] Even if she could have fought back, she wouldn't have. With Amon there as well as all the chi blockers she would've known to fight back would've been futile, so she merely accepted her fate. [/quote] Lin is a tough ol' broad who talked back to the council, the Avatar, and damn near anyone who disrespected her. You really gonna say she wouldn't have fought back? Azula fought back when Katara had her in chains. Fire Lord Ozai fought back after Aang unbent him. Lightning Bolt Zolt fought back as Amon was unbending him. Korra fought back while Tarrlok was taking her away. There wasn't any reason not to have her fight back other then because lolplot. It was terrible writing on Bryke's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Azula was literally crazy at the time, Ozai was an evil madman who had everything to lose, Zolt was a cocky triad leader who didn't see Amon as a threat because until then he hadn't done anything, and Korra's hotblooded as all get out and wasn't against Amon. Meanwhile Lin is 50 years old and has plenty of experience and knows when she's been beaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 I believe this is all a moot point since we know that Lin [i]will[/i] be getting her bending back. In fact I don't even think that Lin has had her bending actually permanently removed since Amon is touching the “Light Chakra”. As the Guru in the original 'Avatar: The Last Airbender' the sixth chakra channel is the "Light Chakra" and that it is the chakra of insight, but it is blocked by illusion. It is quite possible that Amon "hypnotizes" his victims to subconsciously forget they can bend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Lin's attitude of just taking it lying down is not the kind of attitude I'd expect from a girl raised by Toph. When the chips were down, Toph continued punching until she mastered metal bending. There is no reason Lin couldn't have fought back instead of just sitting their, resigned to her fate. Hell, something simple as moving her head or resisting in some way would have sufficed (followed by her collapsing because she's emotionally and physically drained) Nope. It's just sloppy as hell to present us with a character like Lin and then have her give up without a fight. Hell, there wasn't even a reason for Lin to risk her life the way she did. Lin and Tenzin could have easily airblasted and metalbent the wires if more cages came, and they were decently escaping. tl;dr - People need to stop fellating Bryke. Korra's a good show, but it falls completely flat compared to TLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montez Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1339978364' post='5958439'] Hell, there wasn't even a reason for Lin to risk her life the way she did. Lin and Tenzin could have easily airblasted and metalbent the wires if more cages came, and they were decently escaping. tl;dr - People need to stop fellating Bryke. Korra's a good show, but it falls completely flat compared to TLA. [/quote] There is a reason for what Lin did, with the whole risking her life thing and all, even though it is a subtle one. She did it because she still has feelings for Tenzin, and she now accepts that Tenzin loves Pema instead of her, shown through the baby. Now, would it be more reasonable for her and Tenzin to just airblast and metal bend the wires of the hot air balloon to try to bring them down? Of course. But the only way to guarantee escape for Tenzin is for Lin to sacrifice herself. Furthermore, she acted based on her emotions, not rational thinking. Thus, it makes sense that she sacrificed herself like that. It wasn't completely rational, but that's the whole point. Lin was acting with her emotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 I disagree. She did not fall over and give up, she faced her fate like a champ. She was being completely restrained from all sides, so she probably couldn't move at all. Resisting at that point would be a sign of cowardice, not strength. Also, I don't feel that the show falls completely flat in comparison to the TLA. The original series completely dominates when it comes to the cast and certain plot elements, but the new art style and themes are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 tbh, Lin would have made it [i]much worse for herself[/i] if she fought back. She believed at that point that even if she lost her bending, she had complete faith that people would rescue her, just as how the cops under her were waiting to be rescued by Lin. If she fought back, Amon would have made sure she would be a broken character beyond belief (and beyond help I may add. No matter how tough someone is, they can still be subjected to complete hopelessness if given the right kind of treatment). Though, just thinking about how Lin is going to go through post-debending depression sickens me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Well, there are only 2 more episodes, so not much more can happen. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Comrade Trollestia' timestamp='1339982590' post='5958461'] Well, there are only 2 more episodes, so not much more can happen. :/ [/quote] If Korra has shown anything, they can fit a lot into little time. I mean, just thing about how much happened in this past episode or the 2 before it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Actually if I am correct there is going to be a season two. The producers promised so many episodes and so far we're only half way through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Yes. 12 in Book 1, 14 in Book 2, with the possibility of more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 btw, I loved how Episode 10 had probably one of the most "realistic" terrorist attacks displayed (Just remove the parts with bending). It would make real terrorists envious. After all, capturing leaders of a city, going on mass bombings and defeating the police is a much more vivid example of a terrorist attack than episode 6 (and that was a pretty vicious attack). Either Bryan and Michael are epic enough to get this past the radar, or the radar was on vacation during the review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 I think the radar's retired, I see shows like MLP get so much stuff past it it's almost ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Shradow' timestamp='1339983802' post='5958468'] Yes. 12 in Book 1, 14 in Book 2, with the possibility of more. [/quote] Makes you question what Book Five is going to be titled? Water Earth Fire Air ???? I am guessing either 'Avatar' or 'Spirit'. Also the directors have already said we are going to be seeing more of the Spirit World, thus why I believe Amon is an evil spirit or has spirit world assistance . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Oh, so there are going to be more seasons. That's good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vairocana Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Earth benders can't bend without their hands. At martial artists, it's not a far stretch to believe that chi blockers are A) very physically strong, B ) know how to hold people to prevent them from breaking free. She got brought down, she was restrained. You say she sat there and took it like a meek girl. I disagree. She spat defiance in Amon's face to the last. Watching her helplessly struggle like "a caged animal" would have just been kind of sad to watch, while her facing her "death" utterly fearless is something admirable. I want them to delve a little deeper into the effects of losing your bending. We saw it a bit with Tahno. I'm really equating it with channeling in The Wheel of Time. Bending is such a integral part of someone that I'm sure losing it is like losing a limb. Like, I really hope that a good chunk of season 2 is Lin dealing with the loss and coming out of it stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Vairocana' timestamp='1339986415' post='5958484'] Earth benders can't bend without their hands. [/quote] Well... Bumi could bend with his chin, but he was the best/second best Earth Bender in the world, so... But I do agree completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Jake the Sage' timestamp='1339978085' post='5958435'] I believe this is all a moot point since we know that Lin [i]will[/i] be getting her bending back. In fact I don't even think that Lin has had her bending actually permanently removed since Amon is touching the “Light Chakra”. As the Guru in the original 'Avatar: The Last Airbender' the sixth chakra channel is the "Light Chakra" and that it is the chakra of insight, but it is blocked by illusion. It is quite possible that Amon "hypnotizes" his victims to subconsciously forget they can bend. [/quote] That's actually an interesting thought. That would leave a reasonable explanation as to how to restore everyone's bending. And like your Amon theory, though I think he's someone related to the cast in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vairocana Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Ok, whoever posted the Amon energybending theory? I f***ing love you and I think you're right. I did some further digging: When Aang bends, he must touch two charka spots, the Air Chakra (heart) and the Light Chakra (head). In fact, that's how he recieved the ability of energybending: [img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/Goatmon/energybending.png[/img] Amon, however, as you mentioned, only using the Light Chakra. My new headcanon is that Lin will try to recover her bending on her own, and [i]she will do it[/i]. Everyone will tell her it's impossible and to move on, but just like her mother, she's going to spit in the face of impossibility and do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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