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[quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1331614714' post='5868680']
Only wielders can use Destiny's Embrace, sorry. She also cannot summon a keyblade on her own just as Riku couldn't until his Soul-Eater transformed. Kairi has no starting weapon thus no weapon for a transformation to occur. Yes, she touched the keyblade and fulfilled the requirements but the two counter-active reasons would like to say hi. Both are also confirmed by Nomura. Nomura also states that she won't be taking the exam. Gee, you gotta wonder why.
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No starting weapon means nothing.
Ventus didn't take the test either, he must not be a weilder.
What are these counter-requirements you speak of?
Destiny's Embrace?

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[quote name='Greiga te Jalokia' timestamp='1331758554' post='5870623']
No starting weapon means nothing.
Ventus didn't take the test either, he must not be a weilder.
What are these counter-requirements you speak of?
Destiny's Embrace?
[/quote]Destiny's Embrace and a starting weapon. Never said you had to take the test to become a wielder but Ventus already had his keyblade from the start. Riku had to hand off a spare so Kairi could even fight. [quote name='❤ Lovely Warrior ❤' timestamp='1331650390' post='5868962']
Ehh don't care she was given a keyblade in KH2 and I'm sure she kept it. She can still fight weather or not she has one. There are other weapons than keyblades.
[/quote]If she kept it she could summon it anytime and she can't.

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[quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1331778163' post='5871097']
Destiny's Embrace and a starting weapon. Never said you had to take the test to become a wielder but Ventus already had his keyblade from the start. Riku had to hand off a spare so Kairi could even fight. If she kept it she could summon it anytime and she can't.
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The Dive Into the Heart? I'm not quite clear what you mean by Destiny's Embrace, but... Starting weapons aren't needed. Riku could wield a Keyblade because Terra passed that ability onto him. Soda could do it because he's the "chosen wielder", and also probably due to Ventus's heart existing within him. Kairi may also have Keyblade abilities, despite no known way she could have obtained them.
And just because she doesn't summon it after her first use doesn't mean she can't. The games have never stated wether she did or not.

I'm not saying she [i]is[/i] a wielder, I'm just saying she could be.
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Crap, I need to play KH2 first.
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Yes you do.

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[quote name='Wingal Brave' timestamp='1331779343' post='5871137']
The Dive Into the Heart? I'm not quite clear what you mean by Destiny's Embrace, but... Starting weapons aren't needed. Riku could wield a Keyblade because Terra passed that ability onto him. Soda could do it because he's the "chosen wielder", and also probably due to Ventus's heart existing within him. Kairi may also have Keyblade abilities, despite no known way she could have obtained them.
And just because she doesn't summon it after her first use doesn't mean she can't. The games have never stated wether she did or not.

I'm not saying she [i]is[/i] a wielder, I'm just saying she could be.

Yes you do.
[/quote]She is confirmed to be a wielder but she is also denied the privileges of being one. Riku could summon a keyblade because he had a starting weapon, his soul-eater which probably was his wooden sword originally. Sora can dual-wield because of Ventus and of course the clothes. I'm trying to say she is just a pseudo-wielder because of all these restrictions placed on her. Destiny's Embrace if I remember correctly is your ability to shoot a beam of light like they do when they seal keyholes. Riku did this when opening up the gates to fight Xemnas. Kairi could have joined in to open it if she could summon one but she can't because she is a pseudo wielder and requires one to be given to her in order to fight.

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I'm thinking Sora might turn evil by having to use darkness. Think about it. Riku has dealt with and overcome the darkness in his heart but Sora hasn't. He is constantly having his emotions toyed with. Not to forget that Xion is inside of him and Xion has Vanitas in her Nomura did say Xemnas and Ansem had their own goals but I wonder, which Ansem? Ansem seeker of darkness or Ansem the Wise? xemnas had two plans up his sleeves. He planned on combining Xion and Roxas by having Xion absorb Roxas but here's the problem. Roxas had Ventus's heart so wouldn't Ventus's heart drift elsewhere like let's say his body or maybe even Xion? Xion had Ventus memories inside of her as well as Vanitas. That's why she has black hair. That's why Riku has memories of Xion flashing when he grips the Oblivion keyblade. Perhaps this is why Vanitas has black hair and looks like Sora. Sora is going to turn evil. Light falls into darkness.

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To settle the debate about Kairi's status as a Keyblade wielder: When she met Aqua at Radiant Garden, she touched Aqua's Keyblade. This has been stated to be an accidental occurrence of how Terra chose Riku as his successor. This is also why the Keyblade Aqua receives in that scene is the same one that Riku gives Kairi.

JxAY, how could you possibly conclude that Vanitas is in Xion? Vanitas was the other half of Ventus, and Vanitas only took on Sora's appearance to reflect how Sora's heart restored Ven's, and Vanitas' true form is the hooded figure with the red eyes that we saw in the latest trailer. There is no explanation for how Xion has black hair, but her design is meant to resemble Kairi, not to mention that's actually a Replica. This series may have bizarre physics, but I don't think any of that could have caused Vanitas to somehow be in Xion. It is possible that Sora may have to confront his darkness, but keep in mind that he became measly Shadow, and Kairi's embrace restored him to a human form, so it's possible that there might not even be any darkness left to confront.

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[quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1332103635' post='5876991']
To settle the debate about Kairi's status as a Keyblade wielder: When she met Aqua at Radiant Garden, she touched Aqua's Keyblade. This has been stated to be an accidental occurrence of how Terra chose Riku as his successor. This is also why the Keyblade Aqua receives in that scene is the same one that Riku gives Kairi.

JxAY, how could you possibly conclude that Vanitas is in Xion? Vanitas was the other half of Ventus, and Vanitas only took on Sora's appearance to reflect how Sora's heart restored Ven's, and Vanitas' true form is the hooded figure with the red eyes that we saw in the latest trailer. There is no explanation for how Xion has black hair, but her design is meant to resemble Kairi, not to mention that's actually a Replica. This series may have bizarre physics, but I don't think any of that could have caused Vanitas to somehow be in Xion. It is possible that Sora may have to confront his darkness, but keep in mind that he became measly Shadow, and Kairi's embrace restored him to a human form, so it's possible that there might not even be any darkness left to confront.
[/quote]Vanitas isn't confirmed to be the hooded figure with red eyes. Yes, she was a replica but sh had attributes of a somebody. she had a heart just like Roxas otherwise she wouldn't have had emotions. Yes, they can fake them but none of the other members could reach the extent Roxas and Xion could. Vanitas had the darkness in Ventus's heart but it is a heart nonetheless because it was filled with negative emotions. Xemnas had similar plans to Master Xehanort. Who's to say he didn't have all the plans? They planned on having Xion kill Roxas and combine with him. Why have the fake that won't listen to any 13 members but herself kill the one that does listen to orders? Xion having Vanitas in her would justify that. As for no darkness left. Darkness can be increased by filling yourself with negative emotions or intentions. Terra, Zack, Cloud, and Riku are proof of that. By driving Sora mad with his own emotions he can have his darkness increased. Think about it, every emotion he has shown was justified with positive intentions. His happy go lucky attitude is what allows him to so very little darkness. Now destroy that happy go lucky mood. That's why Riku has to keep his emotions in check. Yes, he could control Ansem Seeker of Darkness but he had to go through hell and back as well as wear the Organization cloak. the cloak gives the wearer protection from darkness. Ansem the Wise said it himself.

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The novels describe what Vanitas looked like prior to him having Sora's face, and the hooded figure matches the description. Yes, it hasn't really been stated, but it's most likely him.

I'm replaying Days at the moment, so I'll have to find the moment where Xion's motivations for having to kill Roxas are explained, but I believe it amounts to her actually hating what she was tasked with, and was actually trying to get Roxas to kill her. Assuming your theory makes sense, then wouldn't that suggest that Vanitas is in Sora as well?

I think negative emotions are separate from darkness, and only serve as means for darkness to become apparent. For example, Belle and Jasmine have displayed emotions that could be interpreted as negative, but their hearts are described as pure. Similarly, Xehanort removed all the darkness in Ven's heart, but Ven still showed anger and hostility. Without darkness in your heart, the negative emotions have no darkness to draw out. Of course, considering how Ven's darkness fostered Vanitas, it is possible that if Sora were to confront his own darkness, it could be just as strong, although it's very likely that Vanitas is only strong due to Xehanort's training.

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[quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1332105585' post='5877072']
The novels describe what Vanitas looked like prior to him having Sora's face, and the hooded figure matches the description. Yes, it hasn't really been stated, but it's most likely him.

I'm replaying Days at the moment, so I'll have to find the moment where Xion's motivations for having to kill Roxas are explained, but I believe it amounts to her actually hating what she was tasked with, and was actually trying to get Roxas to kill her. Assuming your theory makes sense, then wouldn't that suggest that Vanitas is in Sora as well?

I think negative emotions are separate from darkness, and only serve as means for darkness to become apparent. For example, Belle and Jasmine have displayed emotions that could be interpreted as negative, but their hearts are described as pure. Similarly, Xehanort removed all the darkness in Ven's heart, but Ven still showed anger and hostility. Without darkness in your heart, the negative emotions have no darkness to draw out. Of course, considering how Ven's darkness fostered Vanitas, it is possible that if Sora were to confront his own darkness, it could be just as strong, although it's very likely that Vanitas is only strong due to Xehanort's training.
[/quote]Novels are non-canon. Vanitas appears with Xehanort look-alike. No support for it being him either. As for the negative emotions I can agree with. As for the them using Xion. It might be in the journal entries.

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[quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1332104957' post='5877046']
Vanitas isn't confirmed to be the hooded figure with red eyes. Yes, she was a replica but sh had attributes of a somebody. she had a heart just like Roxas otherwise she wouldn't have had emotions. Yes, they can fake them but none of the other members could reach the extent Roxas and Xion could. Vanitas had the darkness in Ventus's heart but it is a heart nonetheless because it was filled with negative emotions. Xemnas had similar plans to Master Xehanort. Who's to say he didn't have all the plans? They planned on having Xion kill Roxas and combine with him. Why have the fake that won't listen to any 13 members but herself kill the one that does listen to orders? Xion having Vanitas in her would justify that. As for no darkness left. Darkness can be increased by filling yourself with negative emotions or intentions. Terra, Zack, Cloud, and Riku are proof of that. By driving Sora mad with his own emotions he can have his darkness increased. Think about it, every emotion he has shown was justified with positive intentions. His happy go lucky attitude is what allows him to so very little darkness. Now destroy that happy go lucky mood. That's why Riku has to keep his emotions in check. Yes, he could control Ansem Seeker of Darkness but he had to go through hell and back as well as wear the Organization cloak. the cloak gives the wearer protection from darkness. Ansem the Wise said it himself.
[/quote]Actually, the organization didn't care which one--Xion or Roxas--stayed alive. They were merely forcing the issue forward. Xion was the more ideal choice because if Xion absorbed Roxas, Sora would never wake up. It also seems like they had limited powers of control over Xion, and they were probably planning to use that. Also, at this point, Roxas wasn't loyal to the organization either--by the time of the final battle, Roxas had left the organization. Xion's emotions are a big mystery, as are Axel's and Namine's (both cried at some point) but I don't think she has anyone else's heart within her; she's a replica made out of Sora's memories, and she's only shown connections to Sora and Ven. I suppose it's a possibility, but I doubt it. I'm also unsure if Vanitas really exists anywhere but within the realm of sleep (or is that possible?), we don't really know. I suppose if Ventus survived, Vanitas surely could have made it somewhere, probably Sora's or even Riku's heart (their darkness outfits are the same :P).
Oh, and of course, Xion basically let herself be killed by Roxas, because her being alive was slowly killing him--that's why the organization really wanted them to fight it out. Plus, you know, she would just be hanging out with everyone else in Sora's heart lol.
Also, Kairi is totally and unequivocally a keyblade wielder--or at least a future one. Nomura said so. She just hasn't awakened her keyblade powers fully yet for some odd reason. She can't take the exam because she has no experience with the keyblade yet. And Destiny's Embrace is the name of a keyblade, not the ability to seal keyholes. And everyone always trolls the "She can't summon her own keyblade yet!" thing--well, I'm not invalidating that, I'm just saying this hasn't really been confirmed just yet.

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[quote name='deathrebirthsenshi' timestamp='1332956375' post='5892488']
Also, Kairi is totally and unequivocally a keyblade wielder--or at least a future one. Nomura said so. She just hasn't awakened her keyblade powers fully yet for some odd reason. She can't take the exam because she has no experience with the keyblade yet. And Destiny's Embrace is the name of a keyblade, not the ability to seal keyholes. And everyone always trolls the "She can't summon her own keyblade yet!" thing--well, I'm not invalidating that, I'm just saying this hasn't really been confirmed just yet.
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Wow, their is a hated discussion going on.

Just want to add, based on what I know about Birth by Sleep, in much the way Sora and Riku were made successors of 2 of the main characters in that game Kairi was too. Hell, in KH2 the Keyblade she is given is the same one she had first touched years earlier.



Anyway, REALLY looking forward to the game coming out. Ever since I lost my PS2 memory card I've missed being able to play the main games. Sure I hve 358/2 but that just hasn't been enough. From what I've seen the game looks great and I'm really interested in what they did with it. Just wish my Japanese wasn't so bad so I could enjoy the Japanese version that just came out.

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This game has been [url=https://twitter.com/#!/SquareEnixUSA/status/187898413671645184]officially[/url] [url=https://twitter.com/#!/SQEX_Members_NA/status/187893631368183809]confirmed[/url] to be released in North America on July 31. That's two days [i]after[/i] my birthday, but I still can't wait to get it.

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[quote name='Phantom Roxas' timestamp='1333638676' post='5902569']
This game has been [url="https://twitter.com/#!/SquareEnixUSA/status/187898413671645184"]officially[/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/SQEX_Members_NA/status/187893631368183809"]confirmed[/url] to be released in North America on July 31. That's two days [i]after[/i] my birthday, but I still can't wait to get it.
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It's 11 days after mine.

But w/e, I SHALL BUY IT AND PLAY IT.

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bump: English trailer came out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocPs3aSaCcI

Looks like some questions have been answered:

1. Frollo was in the game as the villian of Notre Dame, but with Tony Jay dead, Corey Burton had to take on the role.
2. Tron Legacy cast.
3. Lots of stuff.

Can't wait until July 31st.

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