Tentacruel Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Okay, hold on a second. People are rarely vegans from birth, so most of them have probably tasted meat. That being said, animals are delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1329319994' post='5818279'] I'm gonna get hate for this one, but I honestly don't see the problem with killing animals for food. Carnivores do it, why can't we? Sure we may be a bit brutal at times, but so is a wolf attacking and tearing through it's helpless prey with it's pack. [/quote] I'm not saying it's wrong to kill animals for food. I eat meat. It's the staple of my diet. What [i]is [/i]wrong is the factory treatment. Honestly, can you not see how it's wrong to basically promote mass torture when is is really needed is a quick, painless killing? Sure, wolves my slaughter things with a pack, but we slaughter things after making sure their lives have been a living hell.[quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1329320259' post='5818288'] 2. Not every single animal is made via battery farming or cruel ways of farming. Free range does exist. [/quote] This is the only part I'm really disputing. Yes, free range exists, but it's not as widely used as it should be given the easy means of production and ability to cheapen things when battery farming and other cruel farming methods occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 [quote name='Psaro' timestamp='1329338173' post='5818642'] I'm not saying it's wrong to kill animals for food. I eat meat. It's the staple of my diet. What [i]is [/i]wrong is the factory treatment. Honestly, can you not see how it's wrong to basically promote mass torture when is is really needed is a quick, painless killing? Sure, wolves my slaughter things with a pack, but we slaughter things after making sure their lives have been a living hell. [/quote] And how can it be living hell for them? They don't think quite like us. I could honestly care less how the cow going into my stomach felt when he was being raised. But that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1329338889' post='5818661'] And how can it be living hell for them? They don't think quite like us. I could honestly care less how the cow going into my stomach felt when he was being raised. But that's just me. [/quote] Well they have sentient thought, which means they can feel pain. I honestly doubt that an animal has a great sense of happiness when its testicles are being violently ripped out (yes, that does happen in many factories for the young). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRenji Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1329338889' post='5818661'] And how can it be living hell for them? They don't think quite like us. I could honestly care less how the cow going into my stomach felt when he was being raised. But that's just me. [/quote] Like how the white plantation owners of the 18th century didn't care how their slaves were hauled in as long as they got their cotton. Yes, I'm comparing animal torture to human torture, sue me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Never said they couldn't feel pain, they just don't exactly have a thought process. I doubt a cow thinks about anything other than food in normal situations. And slavery involves Homo Sapiens vs Homo Sapiens, not Homo Sapiens vs Cows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1329344213' post='5818845'] Never said they couldn't feel pain, they just don't exactly have a thought process. I doubt a cow thinks about anything other than food in normal situations. And slavery involves Homo Sapiens vs Homo Sapiens, not Homo Sapiens vs Cows. [/quote] Erm, you're very uneducated about this. You don't have to have a human level thought process to be able to think "Holy s***, this f***ing hurts. I really hope this stops." Just because they don't realize the exact situation their in doesn't mean that they don't have the ability to realize that something's wrong. Also, I wouldn't consider being brutally slaughtered a "normal situation" as you so blatantly put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRenji Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1329344213' post='5818845'] And slavery involves Homo Sapiens vs Homo Sapiens, not Homo Sapiens vs Cows. [/quote] I wasn't comparing it to slavery, I was comparing it to the torturous way slaves were taken and shipped. Animals today are being treated in similar ways to how slaves were treated back then. Used for work, stuffed in tight spaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I know animals can feel pain. But they aren't exactly one to think it's unfair. People are going to take advantage of that. Slave actually thought the pain was unfair and revolted. I doubt animal abuse will ever go away until animals stand up and rebel against it. And I just don't see a point in fighting for it. Other people can if they want, just don't pull me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1329345324' post='5818894'] I know animals can feel pain. But they aren't exactly one to think it's unfair. People are going to take advantage of that. Slave actually thought the pain was unfair and revolted. I doubt animal abuse will ever go away until animals stand up and rebel against it. And I just don't see a point in fighting for it. Other people can if they want, just don't pull me in. [/quote] The fact that animals can't rebel against it is [i]why [/i]other people should. I understand that you don't want to help, but don't say that it's right to torture animals for pure human greed. Also, slaves (at least in the US, anyway) likely wouldn't have been freed had it not been for efforts of non-slaves. You act as though it was the slaves' effort alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinnamonStar Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Ah that's a different topic. There are vegans who mostly object the ways currently used in the meat industry, but if you're an anti-speciesist vegan, you're against the principle of using anything from animals. Not all vegans are anti-speciesists, but those who are don't really care if people find a "less cruel" way of using them, as long as they're stil used for anything. Well, I guess everyone would prefer animals having a quick, painless death before they get turned into food instead of what many are currently suffering in the lifestock industry. That is, everyone wants it, but no awesome guy has come up with something like that yet.>.> The bolt method isn't reliable enough. [quote name='CM Renji' timestamp='1329343939' post='5818825'] Like how the (white) plantation owners of the [s]18th[/s] 21st century didn't care how their slaves were hauled in as long as they got their cotton. Yes, I'm comparing animal torture to human torture, sue me. [/quote] Also, fixed.:> But then again, I'm sure that if you're vegan and go shopping once every month, you're instantly contributing more to the well-being of the world than some random guy who may eat meat, but doesn't live in a big city and makes most of his own stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name='Psaro' timestamp='1329345606' post='5818903'] The fact that animals can't rebel against it is [i]why [/i]other people should. I understand that you don't want to help, but don't say that it's right to torture animals for pure human greed. [/quote] Now where did I say that? I said I didn't care either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFauKorean Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 as known in scott pilgrim vs. the world veganism gives you psychic powers. Its been proven by science there is also an agency that will take away your psychic powers if you dirty the code of vegans like eating milk and eggs b**** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 [quote name='WTFauKorean' timestamp='1329461434' post='5822260'] veganism gives you psychic powers. [/quote] Well, that explains... [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/Wicked_Intentions/TEW%20Pics/BryanDanielson.jpg[/IMG] ...this [url="http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/28671/vegetarians-are-psychic/"]article[/url]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFauKorean Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 [quote name='~King Crouton~' timestamp='1329464349' post='5822303'] Well, that explains... [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/Wicked_Intentions/TEW%20Pics/BryanDanielson.jpg[/img] ...this [url="http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/28671/vegetarians-are-psychic/"]article[/url]. [/quote] LOL legit science dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 A life without bacon is not a life for me. >< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 [quote name='Clair' timestamp='1329791960' post='5830484'] A life without bacon is not a life for me. >< [/quote] tell me you don't eat that daily, Clair. That much fat'll wreak havoc on you. For me, I guess I can handle a life without beef, but that's it. No meat of ANY kind I cannot do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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