Master White Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Well, i figured this is the right site as I believe alot of you are geniuses within yourselves and I appreciate all the advice i can get,.... 2nd: If this is the wrong section, please point this in the right spot, I'd appreciate it... Okay, so dad is been nagging me and etc to go back to college, but reason I don't want to is b/c I failed out of the old one b/c I stink, stank at math so hard een 5 tutors did not help me, the only math I'm okay at is basic, adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing... So, i figure an hand-on only college would be the best place to go, and only to learn the classes needed to do what i want to do.... So, what I'm asking is what college allows me to do just the classes I need for what my goal is.... To build a game console.... I'd ask a college but they would do like all the other ones tell me, "Well, come on down and then we tell you" when I'm about 3000 miles away from that certain college.... [b]1st: So, what I'm asking is what college allows me to do just the classes I need for what my goal is....[/b] [b]To design, program, and actually build it by hand myself is all I want..... [/b] [b]2nd: If you can't help. at least tell me if you had went to college, dropout, or went back again and is doing better or worse.....[/b] Please be serious about your answers.... This is why I was asking others about programming tools, about how-to's, to see if I could actually build the console at my home, but no, alas, I need help, and so i'm asking you all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Similar case to mine. I gave up last year as well due to terrible grades and bad conditions overall, and the fact that I'm a freaking addict to internet. Although now I'm back and stronger. You should look out for professionalizing courses. They should be much more specific. But I live in Brazil, it works like that here. Not sure how it is on other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Mu-12: I'm in the USA and there are lots of different types of colleges, my only fear is I'd get a loan out for the same exact college I flunked out of the last time.....As alot of people claim ITT and Other various colleges are hands on only, but how can I be to sure, I could go look at it, but it'd still end up me going and having to take generals... There those colleges that seem great until you find out to have a loan from them you need to take general courses or there are those colleges that are like I want but are ungodly pricey just for the 1 course....and mine would involve 5 courses.... Proffesionalizing classes, that sounds actually like I want, I wonder if we have colleges like that that aren't 16 k a semester tution... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Go to college. You are lightyears away from [s]facing Brock[/s] building a game console so start small and start learning the fundamentals of Computer Programming, Engineering, and Networking. You'll have to learn to build a basic computer first, and then study how various consoles are built. It wouldn't be hard to learn to program a game, program an implementation of linux or something and shove it all together, but you'd need to somehow build a BIOS. And that would be a pain in the ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 @Above: You should said go back to college, but again, I still need to know what to learn without having to take generals...Thats the thing that hangs me up and not do what I should...plus of what programs and stuff I need....You said 3 of them, but I'm betting there are plenty of other courses needed to, as I understand math and I can do algebra, it just takes me 24 hours to do 1 problem... So, so far. Programming, Engineering, and Networking.... + the console I want to design would also take other classes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 > Can barely do math at elementary school level > Wants to go into engineering K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 [quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1328758838' post='5805554'] > Can barely do math at elementary school level > Wants to go into engineering K. [/quote] As cold as this sounds, Crab is right on the money. Also, for programming, you have to do Calculus which is not a general, it's specific to programming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 [indent=1]I understand all math, except algebra, I half-understand it until you get to the problems that use all letters and 1 number and you suppose to solve for x without a number, that is hard and annoying, and quite frankly, I see no possible use in algebra at all...[/indent] [indent=1]Are you going to say, Okay, So the guy next door is x and the girl upsairs is b and your friend beside you is c, and you are 1, solve for x in Real Life to make friends, to make company, to drive a car? No, b/c it don't require the use of math...and on a ranch/farm, all the math you need to know is basic math, or even anywhere else for that matter....Algebra does not help make things quicker, it takes longer, and is more annoying....[/indent] [indent=1]@Crab: Engineering you don't need algebra, they just want you to take it so it classifies you as a "smart-a**" Really, I find out stuff from my friends all the time....1 of my good friends is an engineer and he still wonders why they made him take algebra when he don't use it their....[/indent] [indent=1][b]But I think this can be locked now, i think I found the appropiate class for me from gameinstitute.com 1 course, no more or less, helps me do what I want, and yet I thought I'd need 50 different courses jus to do it.....[/b][/indent] [indent=1][b]I do ole' a big thanks to Mu-12 though for pointing my way to professionalised courses....If i hadn't typed that in google, I think I would have never found the right place....[/b][/indent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinnamonStar Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Do you want to dedicate your working life to building game consoles? I'd recommend to join that game institute course if you plan to make a console at some point in your life. But if you want to make a job out of it, please think again. The site tells you that they're teaching you some things about programming, but that doesn't mean that you're going to find a job in the industry. I wouldn't say that about most other subjects, but since you're so set on that game console thing, I'm a bit iffy about it.>.< Also, I don't need to tell you that most game developpers in companies have quite a solid background that includes engeneering and maths and that not everything you learn has to be "useful", right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 [quote name='Cinnamon Star' timestamp='1328805474' post='5806161'] Do you want to dedicate your working life to building game consoles? I'd recommend to join that game institute course if you plan to make a console at some point in your life. But if you want to make a job out of it, please think again. The site tells you that they're teaching you some things about programming, but that doesn't mean that you're going to find a job in the industry. I wouldn't say that about most other subjects, but since you're so set on that game console thing, I'm a bit iffy about it.>.< Also, I don't need to tell you that most game developpers in companies have quite a solid background that includes engeneering and maths and that not everything you learn has to be "useful", right? [/quote] @Above, Yes everything needs to be useful in some point or way or why do it? Its not fun, its annoying, its useless, so why do it if it has no point whatever...If algebra has a use other then being annoying and pointless, please explain using it in a RL explanation not using school....And everyhing around you has a purpose a reason to live, so take that as a consideration as not every class has a reason other to just be there for just no reason.... And I do understand business very well, and if I can make my own console, I can get started on selling them, but of course it'll take a few to 4 years making it, but in the end, it would benefit me... So, i guess I should have stated I want to make myself a game business in creating and selling games and consoles....And that should help me... [b]Notice: Actually, don't lock this, I want to see other opinions on my secondary topic...[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 [url="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070529143202AACmF1K"]http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070529143202AACmF1K[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinnamonStar Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 [quote name='Skylie' timestamp='1328808458' post='5806259'] @Above, Yes everything needs to be useful in some point or way or why do it? Its not fun, its annoying, its useless, so why do it if it has no point whatever...If algebra has a use other then being annoying and pointless, please explain using it in a RL explanation not using school....And everyhing around you has a purpose a reason to live, so take that as a consideration as not every class has a reason other to just be there for just no reason.... [/quote] Because general knowledge is a good thing and who knows, you might use these things someday? It doesn't save your life if you can understand the structure of a Shakespearan sonnet or take art classes, but it can't be bad to know these things either. Of course that doesn't mean anything, I have just as much respect for someone who only focusses on his own craft and gets along in his life, but just saying.>.> As for the other thing, I could show you my sewing sketches, it's 90% algebra formulas. But it's not people's job to talk you out of something if you're set on it. I'd just suggest that you think again about the probability to earn your bread with game consoles. There's not just designing and programming something, but if you actually want to earn some cash, a lot of things come in. Knowledge about the market, quality/security standards, how high is the chance that one of the big companies ends up eating me up with a similar idea, but harder, faster, [s]better, stronger[/s]? And yes, even if you're not Nintendo and you're distributing on small scale, these things matter. Even if you've developped and crafted your console, it doesn't mean that it's going to sell. Of course it would be great if you could make it. There are a lot of doujin ("independent") artists who developped games (though I can't think of anyone who developped an entire console), but almost all of them have another job to earn their living. But then again, I'm not here to talk you out of it if it's your dream. As for your other question, I can't speak for myself, but I know quite a few people who dropped out and came back, or people who changed between a gazillion of subjects. Some were motivated enough and did well, but it depends on you. Have you done some vacation jobs in companies specializing in electronics or gaming? That would be a good idea to get some insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzi Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 [quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1328758838' post='5805554'] > Can barely do math at elementary school level > Wants to go into engineering K. [/quote] Yeah, at a basic level knowing about algebra and logic is pretty important for programming too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 [quote name='Skylie' timestamp='1328808458' post='5806259'] @Above, Yes everything needs to be useful in some point or way or why do it? Its not fun, its annoying, its useless, so why do it if it has no point whatever...If algebra has a use other then being annoying and pointless, please explain using it in a RL explanation not using school.... [/quote] > I don't know how to do it > I don't enjoy failing to do it > Therefore it must be pointless because I am an expert at and enjoy doing everything important > I'm pretty sure those grapes were sour anyhow K. And the Yahoo Answers examples were just basic middle-school algebra. Once you get into college-level algebra and linear algebra, the usefulness explodes. [quote name='Skylie' timestamp='1328808458' post='5806259']And everyhing around you has a purpose a reason to live, so take that as a consideration as not every class has a reason other to just be there for just no reason....[/quote] Why, yes. Every single blade of grass and every single moron that happened to come into existence is part of a grand cosmic design with a glorious purpose for existence, but those classes that someone had to consciously decide to create? Utterly pointless. And your analysis of what is and isn't important is clearly completely objective and based on your deep understanding of the subject matter. [quote name='Skylie' timestamp='1328808458' post='5806259']And I do understand business very well, and if I can make my own console, I can get started on selling them, but of course it'll take a few to 4 years making it, but in the end, it would benefit me... So, i guess I should have stated I want to make myself a game business in creating and selling games and consoles....And that should help me... [b]Notice: Actually, don't lock this, I want to see other opinions on my secondary topic...[/b][/quote] Let me make sure I understand you correctly: You plan to, with the skills acquired from a one-semester online class, design, build, and program your own console and games for that console, then manufacture, sell, and distribute said games and consoles to people who will somehow hear of their existence and be willing to pay for them... and you don't plan on learning any middle-school math in the process. This whole thing is such a mess of absurd delusions that it would actually make me feel really sad if I had the slightest empathy for you morons. Suffice to say, I doubt you could successfully put a single freeware game on Kongregate in four years, let alone develop a console and games for it that people will somehow learn about and decide is way better than the PS5 and XBox 1080 and Nintendo Whoknowswhattheyllcallit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinnamonStar Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Well since you said that you have a good understanding of business, I'd really suggest to get some practical work done and take up a vacation job at a gaming company before you settle on anything. You won't be able to see someone crafting and developping a game console, but people will be able to tell you what it takes to get there and what they do all day. You're probably going to get your answers there. [quote name='Skylie' timestamp='1328808458' post='5806259'] And I do understand business very well, and if I can make my own console, I can get started on selling them, but of course it'll take a few to 4 years making it, but in the end, it would benefit me... [/quote] See, the thing is that you can't be sure that it's going to benefit you and that you're going to earn your daily bread that way. Most gaming consoles that sell out are made by big companies, so not by a single person, but a whole group of developpers. These companies all have large PR departments and huge strategies to promote their products (only one department among many). There are a lot of things that can go wrong (see SEGA), so personally I wouldn't place my bets on it. Bringing a game console out isn't going to work on your own and even if it does, it either needs to be a geniusly great idea that the big companies would never dream of coming up with and a huge amount of luck to sell anything. Aren't there any other subjects that you were good at, maths aside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 [indent=1][quote name='Skylie' timestamp='1328804475' post='5806133'][/indent] [indent=1]I half-understand it until you get to the problems that use all letters and 1 number and you suppose to solve for x without a number, that is hard and annoying, and quite frankly, I see no possible use in algebra at all...[/indent] [/quote] You'll never make it as a programmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 As cliche as this sounds.... It seems to me that you seem to dislike math, so rather than complain, take it up the a** (figuratively). Was it not Edison that is said that a true genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration? Roll up your sleeves and get back to school. I never said I like school but I'm not going to throw away such a gift without first giving it my all (and if you know what's beyond the U.S's cozy borders, you know it's a gift). If you truly believe that you want to do what you said you want to for a living, get back to school and learn how to achieve it. You can't just avoid math and you can't let people tell you that you won't make it. Nobody gives a damn if you don't like it or not and if you question why you are working in the first place, remind yourself of your final goal. Nobody was ever given success on a silver platter and if you think you're any different than give up now. Trust me when I say that you have less than a 1% chance off achieving your goals unless you go back to school and work hard to your potential. [color=#ffd700][font=courier new,courier,monospace]Master, I detect several run sentences and ten too many commas [/font][/color] Oh hush you >:3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Cinnamon Star' timestamp='1328814508' post='5806422'] Because general knowledge is a good thing and who knows, you might use these things someday? [b][When, I say we'd never use algebra or shakespeare n a million years unless its in school....Really, use algebra and make a time travel portal, then I'll call algebra useul][/b] It doesn't save your life if you can understand the structure of a Shakespearan sonnet or take art classes, but it can't be bad to know these things either. Of course that doesn't mean anything, I have just as much respect for someone who only focusses on his own craft and gets along in his life, but just saying.>.> [b]Shakespeare I don't mind because it don't take 24 hours just to figure out what they are saying....Unlike algebra....[/b] As for the other thing, I could show you my sewing sketches, it's 90% algebra formulas. [b]Why would you sew algebra problems? For fun, Algebra is not fun IMO and it takes 24 hours to do it one way and the everyone else want you to do it the other way that takes 48 hours for one problem!!!Seriously, I've seen a 10 page paper solving 1 single algebra problem when it can be solved with the answer and about 30 minutes....As I was younger and was in High school and learned froma person who had his way of solving algebra problems, computer genius and I took on from that, get to Highschool, and all of a sudden, do it this way or its not right and fail....Which was the longer way....." I literally told the teacher, "Okay, but give me a week and I'll have 5 problems done..." [/b]She looked at me like serious.....Becaus I just did not see the point in doing a 5 page essay onsolving one problem with my method got you the same exact answer with in 30 min of thinking. But it's not people's job to talk you out of something if you're set on it. I'd just suggest that you think again about the probability to earn your bread with game consoles. [b][Oh, i know, i been there, trust me, but yet this idea would work if I had better understanding of it and lots of companies would want it.][/b] There's not just designing and programming something, but if you actually want to earn some cash, a lot of things come in. Knowledge about the market, quality/security standards, how high is the chance that one of the big companies ends up eating me up with a similar idea, but harder, faster, [s]better, stronger[/s]? And yes, even if you're not Nintendo and you're distributing on small scale, these things matter. Even if you've developped and crafted your console, it doesn't mean that it's going to sell. Of course it would be great if you could make it. There are a lot of doujin ("independent") artists who developped games (though I can't think of anyone who developped an entire console), but almost all of them have another job to earn their living. But then again, I'm not here to talk you out of it if it's your dream. As for your other question, I can't speak for myself, but I know quite a few people who dropped out and came back, or people who changed between a gazillion of subjects. Some were motivated enough and did well, but it depends on you. Have you done some vacation jobs in companies specializing in electronics or gaming? That would be a good idea to get some insight. [b]Vacation jobs: I wish, I can't even afford to go where those jobs are just to learn.....[/b] [/quote] [b]Bold Print Replies[/b] [quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1328823418' post='5806719'] > I don't know how to do it [b][I do know how to do most of it, not all of it, and still seems pointless...]for algebra][/b] > I don't enjoy failing to do it [b]That is not me, I fail at math, and my brain functions hands on, meaning I need to do it in order to learn it, and so therefore, algebra would to relate to something in real life for me to do, and there is no way algebra can help in real life, so would not work...[/b] > Therefore it must be pointless because I am an expert at and enjoy doing everything important [[b]I did not say I'm an expert, I'm a d*mba** in most parts, and worse comes to shove, when I try to do any thinking, I get major headaches and really annoys me, so I can't really do much on my own....Yes, I have a headache because I'm thinking of these things to say....[/b] > I'm pretty sure those grapes were sour anyhow [b]How does that even coalloate with this matter?[/b] K. And the Yahoo Answers examples were just basic middle-school algebra. Once you get into college-level algebra and linear algebra, the usefulness explodes. [b]I've dones middle-highschool algebra, it just takes me a week to finish 1 problem, literally, so I had help, and sometimes had to ask a friend to help me write the problem out, as I could solve it, within 30 minutes of my own way, which would be wrong in the teachers head...[/b] [b]Thus sadly I do not know that way anymore, the only way I know to solve for an algebra problem is the 24 hr to 48 hr 3 to 5 page problem way, which no one has that kind of time on their hand...[/b] Why, yes. Every single blade of grass and every single moron that happened to come into existence is part of a grand cosmic design with a glorious purpose for existence, but those classes that someone had to consciously decide to create? Utterly pointless. And your analysis of what is and isn't important is clearly completely objective and based on your deep understanding of the subject matter. Let me make sure I understand you correctly: You plan to, with the skills acquired from a one-semester online class, design, build, and program your own console and games for that console, then manufacture, sell, and distribute said games and consoles to people who will somehow hear of their existence and be willing to pay for them... and you don't plan on learning any middle-school math in the process. This whole thing is such a mess of absurd delusions that it would actually make me feel really sad if I had the slightest empathy for you morons. Suffice to say, I doubt you could successfully put a single freeware game on Kongregate in four years, let alone develop a console and games for it that people will somehow learn about and decide is way better than the PS5 and XBox 1080 and Nintendo Whoknowswhattheyllcallit. [/quote] [b]Hey, I dabble and I'm a hands on learner, get there programs, about 2-4 years, I could figure it out....Look at me with gimp for instant, used it for a year and already know how to make animations with it.....Of course it takes a few, but I understand exactly how it works....[/b] [quote name='iRemo' timestamp='1328837309' post='5807358'] As cliche as this sounds.... It seems to me that you seem to dislike math, so rather than complain, take it up the a** (figuratively). Was it not Edison that is said that a true genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration? Roll up your sleeves and get back to school. I never said I like school but I'm not going to throw away such a gift without first giving it my all (and if you know what's beyond the U.S's cozy borders, you know it's a gift). [[b]Oh, yea, i do know that where you live would probably be worse or harder to get any education wherever you do live, some countries are good, some are so poor, it just depends where you live....I do like the USA, but all the jobs want a college graduate or someone know how to do this type jobs which sometimes all the colleges are found are ones that want you take Generals, some of which I know is important, but others still aren't and couldn't learn them unless I was in the field to use it, hence for instant, English, I can speak, just not quite frank as others, and I could take an IQ test and show you my brain is basically an boiled egg....[/b] If you truly believe that you want to do what you said you want to for a living, get back to school and learn how to achieve it. You can't just avoid math and you can't let people tell you that you won't make it. Nobody gives a damn if you don't like it or not and if you question why you are working in the first place, remind yourself of your final goal. Nobody was ever given success on a silver platter and if you think you're any different than give up now. Trust me when I say that you have less than a 1% chance off achieving your goals unless you go back to school and work hard to your potential. [b] No, I don't question why I'm working, I'm just qeustioning the fact does one truly actually need algebra at college level just to get a programming job, really, programming don't require alebra, I've learned my life by doing instead of reading, can they make algebra in real life so i can solve it that way, no, why, b/c algebra has no use in RL except to make people o it for fun, which is nott fun, so why have a person who hates do it, do it just to get a job that requires basic math? Retarded and Stupid...[/b] [color=#ffd700][font=courier new, courier, monospace]Master, I detect several run sentences and ten too many commas [/font][/color] Oh hush you >:3 [/quote] [b]My main point is that why do something to get a job that you'll love to do that don't require any use of algebra and then has to take it in college just to get the dang job.....Really, its not fun, it akes a week to do 5 problems, and most colleges want you to do the 5 problems within the day...[/b] [b]-----[/b] [b]Also, things I can do[/b] [b]Rod/Stick Welding-[/b][i](but don't have the college degree for the jobs)[/i] [b]Soldering[/b] [b]Business(Of course it was only 3 years of business in High school, but pretty understanding and easy)[/b] [b]Hands-On Learning--[i](I can read and listen, but it goes in one ear and out the other ear pretty fast and as soon as I need it, I won't even know it)[/i].....[Algebra can't be hands on, show me college where and I might go back][/b] [b]Driving(Cars, Pickups,) but can learn others if I can find an hands-on place to go][/b] [b]Modding-I have Horizon, and Modio and I betting I could tweak there programming if I had the right tools...[/b] [b]Scripting - I understand it and made it work, but in the pokemon game, the script made all the guys stand still when it was meant to make the new person move.....lol let alone if I could find the programs on my computer that allowed me to mess with pokemon games that is....[/b] [b]Maybe Acting-My friends think I would make a great one b/c I can change my voice at will, sure that would be great, but not in the acting business...[/b] [b]And if I went to go get a job as it is, it'd have to be in the oil fields, as any other job would not pay me enough to even live nowadays, plus the rent at the oil booms are godly pricey.....[/b] [b]3rd: My dad went and payed his way through helicopter training and most of that was easy and guess what, it was not a college, just flight school......[/b] [b]4th: He bought himself a truck, worked on it, got the trailer, and everything else and hiring the truck and his driving service out to jobs that need it...Already has an idea and plan and has moved forward.....So, explain to me why I can't do the same? He don't have a college degree.....[/b] [i][b]Most Important: Some of you keep thinking I did not take middle-school or highschool algebra when I did, and I had a c in that class for freshman and sophmore year, and then took consumer math, which is part of business, had a b to a c in that....But I had 5 people standing over me after hours helping me figure it out....In RL, you Only have Yourself.....I've went to college and went in for the wrong programs and etc, and even though I stink at generals, I was doing okay on the courses I knew how to do, except you need a 3.5 grade average to even pass....Then math caim along, boom, there it went to 3.0 grade average, plus it was an online class that immediately through me out.....No tutors or anything, just get on and do it....and it was fine til I got to problems that was algebra related...[/b][/i] [i][b]I can do other kinds of math, even geometry, but not others, because at least geometry comes out a number and not another problem....[/b][/i] [i][b]Just let that stand so you don't mke assumptions of me not doing middle-school algebra, I just didn't take 4 years of it b/c I didn't have to and it was retarded, boring, useless, no fun....[/b][/i] [i][b][Just to point out, if I'm going to do a job I want, I'm going to want to have fun doing it or I'd be another one of those people alwayds tired, always complaining about their miserable pathetic job they have to do to earn the dough.....I still do a job I hate to make a living, but I want a better one, where I'd love to do it, where there would be nothing involved in it thate I would hate....Really, you should do the job that makes You happy then do a job you hate to get money and move on and never pursue your dream....[/b][/i] [b]Hence why i asked you all for help, as I like to take opinions and I see all of what you have to say and its a vali point, but lot of people can still get their dream jobs or careers without college or luck, just knowledge, so why not me? [/b] [b]I'm great in hands on learning, and anyone can tell you that...I'd see it done, then I can mimic it....I've done that several of thousands of times while on ranch.....[/b] ---------- Finally, sorry for a whole book I guess....lol......I just had my opinions to share and I'll love to see what yours are now, as I've said quite enough and everyones opinion at least matters, I don't go do like my old highschool classmates do, "Oh, hey, he's he retard, lets not to listen to any of his idea's or if its a great one, lets rip him off and not give him credit for it" which the latter they did often, even the teachers did that to me.... [b]So, every persons opinions matters, and I'd want to know your opinions some more....[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 so..you're telling me.....you found a way to learn computer programming without the use of math? Because if you did, you should be writing books on it or something 0-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerlinX Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Building and programming a console requires a s*** ton of complex math. Get on it bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THROWDOWN Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 It's not really anyone's place to say this person is going to make it as a programmer or not. Then again, I didn't really read over the comments in much detail, sleep eludes me yet again. If I were you I would study in another field for a couple of years. A field that doesn't require [u]any[/u] mathematics, whatsoever. Looking at your spelling you probably shouldn't get into English either. In that time I would carry on with your math tutor. Giving up is step 1 on the road to failure. In 3-4 years you're bound to pick up some mathematical skills and you should be able to get good enough grades to pass and become an engineer. Now, if you give me any of that "I don't want to wait 3-4 years!" BS I will retract everything I have just said and strike it from the records. Patience is a virtue and if you wait it out for THAT long and still want to do it, well that means that it wasn't some half-assed, not well thought through idea. Looking at this all from a different angle, have you even explored what sort of life this career will lead you to? Each career has it's own persona if you will, a [i]sort of[/i] life of it's own. For example; actors income is irregular therefore their lifestyle is irregular and consists of barely any routine. The reason being is that actors are paid on and off as performances come and go. The majority of the time they're holding down more than 1 job just to pay rent and living in absolute chaos because of this. So basically, what I am saying is; look into the type of life engineering will offer you. Don't just think this up on a whim without even exploring fully what it offers. ITT: Please use something LIKE Connexions that a local youth center can offer you and not Wikipedia to search up what sort of life engineering leads to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this thread. Wait, yes I do, the answer is obviously laugh. Let's check out the highlights: [quote name='Skylie' timestamp='1328841836' post='5807595']As for the other thing, I could show you my sewing sketches, it's 90% algebra formulas. [b]Why would you sew algebra problems? For fun, Algebra is not fun IMO[/b][/quote] Already he's turned functionally illiterate as well. Cinnamon Star was clearly saying that the sewing sketches were composed primarily of the results of algebra problems used to get the correct proportions &c, not that the sketches were literally sketches of math problems. [quote name='Skylie' timestamp='1328841836' post='5807595'][b]Seriously, I've seen a 10 page paper solving 1 single algebra problem when it can be solved with the answer and about 30 minutes....[/b][/quote] New standard for excellence in mathematics: solve a simple problem for middle schoolers within half an hour. [quote name='Skylie' timestamp='1328841836' post='5807595']> I'm pretty sure those grapes were sour anyhow [b]How does that even coalloate with this matter?[/b][/quote] I should have remembered that a reference most ninth graders would get would be beyond you. Here, let me try to explain: Once upon a time, there was a dude called Aesop who made up a bunch of really short stories to teach people stuff. In one of them, a fox is thirsty, and comes across some grapes, but they're too high for him to reach. So the fox walks away and says, "Man, who cares if I didn't get those grapes, those grapes were probably sour anyhow, who needs sour grapes?" The moral of the story is that retarded manchildren who fail to attain something (like the lowest level of competence at mathematics) rationalize it by deciding that whatever they failed to get was probably lame anyhow (like by saying that algebra is probably useless anyhow). There, I have broken this down into the tiniest digestible pieces for your convenience. [quote name='Skylie' timestamp='1328841836' post='5807595'][b]I've dones middle-highschool algebra, it just takes me a week to finish 1 problem[/b][/quote] In other words: you haven't actually successfully done middle-highschool algebra. Seriously, this "I'm a grown-up man who takes a week to solve a simple problem for seventh graders" business isn't making you look any more competent. [quote name='Skylie' timestamp='1328841836' post='5807595'][b]Hey, I dabble and I'm a hands on learner, get there programs, about 2-4 years, I could figure it out....Look at me with gimp for instant, used it for a year and already know how to make animations with it.....Of course it takes a few, but I understand exactly how it works....[/b][/quote] "Already"? You consider spending an entire year just figuring out how to do animations in GIMP to be [i]fast[/i]? And that it proves you'll be able to create a successful game console and line of games from scratch? That's... that's not impressive. That's sad. The monster you know as "algebra" is actually the extremely simple basis for all sorts of fields of mathematics: calculus, algebra, analysis, algebraic topology, differential geometry... and you'll be hard-pressed to find one of those fields that computer scientists don't need to be well-versed in to do their jobs properly. But you think that you're incredibly slow rate of picking up basic skills after being completely awful at math will let you overcome all of that and personally do on your own in your basement what companies pay through the nose for the best experts to collaborate on? I'd call it arrogant, but the problem here isn't your pride, it's that you have no conception of just how significant your weaknesses are and how implausible this scheme is. You're caught in this sour grapes delusion that you can "easily" do anything worth doing (where "easily" is defined as "I eventually made some tiny measure of progress and had fun") and that anything you suck at and hate must be utterly worthless. [quote name='Skylie' timestamp='1328841836' post='5807595'][b]4th: He bought himself a truck, worked on it, got the trailer, and everything else and hiring the truck and his driving service out to jobs that need it...Already has an idea and plan and has moved forward.....So, explain to me why I can't do the same? He don't have a college degree.....[/b][/quote] See? This here is a great idea! Driving a truck is a thing you can absolutely do. You can be a colossal moron and still find the gas pedal. Do that! You can absolutely do the same! This here is a sensible plan! Unfortunately, I know that's not what you meant. What you meant was "My dad can drive a truck, therefore I can make a living building a game console." That's... not how logic works. That's not how [i]anything[/i] works. I cannot dissuade you in strong enough terms. This is seriously a horrible idea and you have no idea what you're doing. [quote name='Ryan Element' timestamp='1328852499' post='5808022']It's not really anyone's place to say this person is going to make it as a programmer or not.[/quote] Yes, it is. If your legs have been amputated, you're not going to be a professional soccer player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THROWDOWN Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1328854366' post='5808042'] Yes, it is. If your legs have been amputated, you're not going to be a professional soccer player. [/quote] While that is true, it's a pretty retarded example. Becoming an engineer, when one has no apparent learning difficulties is not the same as someone with no legs wanting to be a professional football player. One is impossible, the other is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Ryan Element' timestamp='1328855871' post='5808060']Becoming an engineer, when one has no apparent learning difficulties[/quote] No apparent learning difficulties? It takes the OP a week to do a middle-school math problem. He's 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THROWDOWN Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1328856183' post='5808065'] No apparent learning difficulties? It takes the OP a week to do a middle-school math problem. He's 21. [/quote] Right, I didn't read the thread through properly. While you are being an adherent jerk, it is true that OP has no real chance of becoming an engineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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