Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 [quote name='Comrade Trollestia' timestamp='1327449804' post='5779369'] If a friend of mine ever talked about committing suicide I'd probably punch them in the face. [/quote] If you do that when I say that to you I'd probably burst out crying and want to do it all the more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 [quote name='Comrade Trollestia' timestamp='1327449804' post='5779369'] If a friend of mine ever talked about committing suicide I'd probably punch them in the face. [/quote] [quote name='Horus.' timestamp='1327449853' post='5779370'] oh yes that'll cheer them up [/quote] This... [quote name='Τrain Heartnet' timestamp='1327449913' post='5779372'] If anything, you'd just make their situation worse. Talk to them about it instead, and go get them some professional help. [/quote] and this... [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327450192' post='5779385'] If you do that when I say that to you I'd probably burst out crying and want to do it all the more. [/quote] and this. You utter and complete muppet. As for professional help, I've had more counsellers than I can remember. Only two helped. It's not just getting someone to talk to, it's getting right person for you. Unfortunately that requires some trial and error. My GP's have always been good every time though, which is odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRenji Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I've felt bad before, but never bad enough to even consider suicide. But I can imagine some people would be in a bad enough place, perhaps after losing their job, a divorce etc. Suicide is the "easy way". It takes you from this life, and ends your pains, sorrows, and worries. This is why I always try to find the bright side of a situation, no matter how bad. I always look forward to a better tomorrow. But I'm sure some people don't have a promising tomorrow, so they see no more point in life. I doubt I'll ever do it, no matter how low my lows may get. But there will always be people out there who unfortunately have no way else out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 HEY PEOPLE LET'S NOT FORGET HARA KIRI ALRIGHT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I`ve considered it before. I is depressionated child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFauKorean Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 [size=3][font=Calibri]a topic that comes and goes here, and here's, why.[/font] [font=Calibri]everyone tells everyone that their contemplating[/font] [font=Calibri]this site as an example: every time the the topic came up it was because their friend or themselves we're contemplating and they wanted others to convince them otherwise.[/font] [font=Calibri]they actually want to be convinced out of suicide, they want to know there is something worth living for[/font] [font=Calibri]not only because they gain some faith in themselves, but they gain faith in everything/everyone else around them. [/font] [font=Calibri]Most suicide contemplates probably not only resent themselves but everything else around them.[/font] [font=Calibri]losing will to live because everyone else is blindly trapped in the same miserable issues but living life satisfied.[/font] [font=Calibri]suicide contemplates tend to think they know a lot and experienced everything or at least enough to know that there really isn't much left to go on.[/font] [font=Calibri]this is especially dangerous for older people in their 40 and over because they really have lived quite a long time and all these experiences haven't amounted to what they really wanted.[/font] [font=Calibri]those like us (teens/kids) grow sudden.... "arrogance" isn't the right word but its the first one that comes to mind, sorry. they feel like they realized more than everyone else when of course it probably isn't true.[/font] [font=Calibri]sometimes just reminders that you have 30+ years ahead of you to decide whether or not you really want to commit suicide, is enough to let them decide for themselves that its not worth it as they mature. With good most rational and mature people will normally convince themselves.[/font] [font=Calibri]I'd try that first tell your friend to take 30 more years to decide and it'll probably sounds like a ridiculous request to a suicide contemplate but most likely friend to friend, kid to kid they'll agree to some degree.[/font] [font=Calibri]If thats not enough, even if a more extreme method, but still a valid one, is to instil a kind of fear of death/failure to die.[/font][/size][list] [*][size=3][font=Calibri]They want to die, but they don't want pain to be their last experience[/font][/size] [*][size=3][font=Calibri]hanging yourself hurts and quite a bad and helpless feeling (I know this one personally when I failed at auto-erotic fixation, in all seriousness)[/font][/size] [*][size=3][font=Calibri]OD how do you know to much is enough? how do you even know its the right kind of meds to do it? most likely[/font] (one of my friends thought 5 Tylenols would do it, lol)[/size] [*][size=3][font=Calibri]you'll just get really sick it'll be quite noticeable and people will rush you to the hospital and you'll be fine. [/font][/size] [*][size=3][font=Calibri]poison is never and instant effect, you'll have trouble breathing which feels horrible your head will feel immense pain as will your chest. your liver will feel like its getting stabbed. (I uhhh consumed a small amount of ate anthrax once thinking it was salt[/font]... long story short I was rushed to the hospital and Im still alive.)[/size] [*][size=3][font=Calibri]no one can really drown themselves or want to[/font][/size] [*][size=3][font=Calibri]burning is the most painful possible experience as you die and for some odd reason the only kind of pain that doesn't allow you pass out because of the immense pain[/font][/size] [*][size=3][font=Calibri]A bullet to the head most likely you'll not know how to use the gun and instead of death you'll become a vegetable or a person with sensory defects, and most likely it'll hurt like a b**** even as you die, you're body wants to survive even if your mind doesn't and in many cases adrenaline allows you to feel everything before you die 20 minutes after getting shot in the head.[/font][/size] [/list] [size=3][font=Calibri]all these can scare any contemplate out of the thought quite quickly.[/font] [font=Calibri]guilt is also a common method, many wouldn't do it if he/she knew there was even one person that cared.[/font] [font=Calibri]they don't want to be selfish and allow their family/friends who love them to feel the immense pain of loss.[/font] [font=Calibri]the contemplates don't want others to blame themselves but blame the contemplate instead.[/font] [font=Calibri]if someone told you first that they were contemplating it probably means your close enough for you to say "I care." and its usually tips the emotional seesaw in your favor quite well[/font] [font=Calibri]there's a lot more reasons and methods and I can't say them all because its to much to say it all[/font] [font=Calibri]knowing that methods and reason depend on the person,[/font] [font=Calibri]main point though: For every reason you want to commit suicide there are 5 reasons for why you shouldn't. its just not worth it.[/font][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I once thought about suicide. But then I literally thought "Wait, this is stupid". Suicide is one of the most illogical solutions to a problem. Yes, the problem's gone. Yes, it seems easy. But you can't go back, can you. When you make a mistake, you can go back and fix it. Even if there's nothing you can do immediately, eventually it will be fixed or even just stop mattering. Let's say the average person lives about 80 years. Assuming that there are 20 leap years in their life, they live for 29,220 days. There is no problem that can't be resolved in 29,220 days. Well, except one. And that's death. Hence, suicide is illogical. If you kill yourself, you're doing the only possible thing that you can't possibly fix. Yes, it's easier, but is the easiest way always the best way? I've wanted to say something like that for awhile...feels good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 Logic isn't exactly human society's strong point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327530399' post='5780689'] Logic isn't exactly human society's strong point. [/quote]True. But still, you can't really deny mine here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 [quote name='Pacmanexus' timestamp='1327530184' post='5780681'] There is no problem that can't be resolved in 29,220 days. [/quote]Life altering medical conditions that leave people suffering and want to die. Sometimes their loved ones help them here, but unfortunately it's considered murder in some countries, Ireland included, and I don't really agree with it being illegal. People usually only think about depression when the suicide topic is brought up. Depression can be treated and you can get better. What about a situation where it is medically impossible to get better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 [quote name='Horus.' timestamp='1327532942' post='5780803'] Life altering medical conditions that leave people suffering and want to die. Sometimes their loved ones help them here, but unfortunately it's considered murder in some countries, Ireland included, and I don't really agree with it being illegal. [/quote] This is the most true statement in the entire thread. If I had something that meant I could never leave a hospital bed, what's the point in life...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 [quote name='Horus.' timestamp='1327532942' post='5780803'] Life altering medical conditions that leave people suffering and want to die. Sometimes their loved ones help them here, but unfortunately it's considered murder in some countries, Ireland included, and I don't really agree with it being illegal. People usually only think about depression when the suicide topic is brought up. Depression can't be treated and you can get better. What about a situation where it is medically impossible to get better? [/quote]I can see it making sense then, yeah. I suppose that is the flaw in most arguments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 [quote name='Order-Sol' timestamp='1327533026' post='5780810'] If I had something that meant I could never leave a hospital bed, what's the point in life...? [/quote] That'd be euthanasia, and when death is that imminent, I guess that the variables change a bit. However, that's more like "having dignity in the face of death," which most suicidal situations can't attest to the same degree (e.g. your death isn't forecasted for anytime in the near future). Anyways, I'm against suicide. My cousin jumped off a bridge: he survived, but it shook our family up for quite a while. The emotional and psychological effects one leaves on one's friends and family just is too much of a vicious cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 One of my friends committed suicide about a year ago, and even though we tried talking her out of it, she did the deed anyway. People who have the guts to actually end themselves usually have made up their minds and there's no changing them. It's really sad... But above all, I think suicide is selfish and a way of giving up on life without trying to make it better first. And it's usually committed for stupid reasons that don't nearly outweigh the costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 To be honest with you guys, I was suicidal once, sick with how life was going and all that, and I contemplated suicide. It's actually a lot harder to kill yourself than one would think. A couple people had noticed I was suicidal at the time but most didn't really pay attention. They didn't really think I was serious about doing it too for some reason, which probably strengthened my resolve to die. In the end, I decided that I would try to kill myself by jumping off a tall building head-first, in the hope that my neck would snap and I would instantly die . . . . but in the end of that, I chose to walk away~ I was too afraid of failing, ending up with a lot of pain, and then simply ending up in the hospital for a long time. After that, I continued to be suicidal for a little longer like some little dark kid before finally becoming better. I've stated the reason for abandoning suicide several times before, but I've forgotten it by now :/ So yeah, that's my story. I learned a lot from that experience. There's no telling what happens after death, but my guess is that most, if not all, of those people who died via suicide are probably regretting it by now. It also affects a lot of people. Suicide is only right if it's rational, and just because the suicidal person in question put up a good argument, doesn't mean that they're in the right. A good argument can be made by just about anything. The causes for a rational suicide, in my personal opinion, are; [b][i]1.. All your friends and family are dead, you have absolutely no connections, no home, and no money, and you don't possess any skills to earn them. [/i][/b]That's a pretty bad life you have there. [i][b]2. You're stricken with a terrible illness that puts you in a hospital bed. It hurts a lot, and there is no way to remove it. The hospital has either done its best, or you lack the funds to cure yourself. You're only delaying your inevitable end. [/b][/i]This is actually kind of a case of 'get it over with'. [b][i]3. You're about to either die gruesomely or suffer a fate worse than death.[/i][/b] Chances are you won't have much time to think about this one, but this is the most rational suicide reason out of the three in my opinion. And that's it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tin Trooper Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 No argument for suicide is effective and people who commit suicide deserve no sympathy. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='Vic Rattlehead' timestamp='1327598564' post='5782090']people who commit suicide deserve no sympathy. End of. [/quote]Explain. It is not "end of", sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeal Ascendant Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Suicide is a very terrible thing, as most people have already stated. The only exception is that if someone has literally no money, no friends or family, no home, is sick, and so on, then perhaps it would be better just to end it then and there. But in most cases, it's a terrible idea and people have much better options. What really makes me sick though, is people who have friends, family, and lead perfectly good lives even consider taking their own lives just because they're sad. They're better off then most people in the world, and should just get a therapist or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327530399' post='5780689'] Logic isn't exactly human society's strong point. [/quote] If logic was anywhere near our strong point, we wouldn't be humans anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull3tM0nk3y Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 If they have really, really, really, really, good reasons, NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raine Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Life is yours. What you do with it is your business... though I can virtually garentee that there are simplier solutions to things and that out of some compassion you should consider those around you. With that said, suicide is a valid choice of an individual, all I can say i that they think it through, understand the reprocussions, and not be so damn selfish. In specific circumstances however there are times espessially extreme situations, VERY damn extreme, where the act could almost be considered honorable. Though, in all likelyhood should you live in a 1st world country the chances you run across a situation like this nigh-none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Pinkamena Diane Pie' timestamp='1327639773' post='5783427'] If they have really, really, really, really, good reasons, NO. [/quote] [quote name='Horus.' timestamp='1327532942' post='5780803'] Life altering medical conditions that leave people suffering and want to die. Sometimes their loved ones help them here, but unfortunately it's considered murder in some countries, Ireland included, and I don't really agree with it being illegal. People usually only think about depression when the suicide topic is brought up. Depression can be treated and you can get better. What about a situation where it is medically impossible to get better? [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tin Trooper Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 <p>[quote name='Horus.' timestamp='1327599406' post='5782101'] Explain. It is not "end of", sir. [/quote] Perhaps I should elaborate on what constitutes acceptable cases of suicide: Maybe euthanasia. But even then you've got the problem of taking someone's life, an ethical issue. Suicide is self-murder. Dying of illness is not a strong enough excuse, in my opinion. Killing yourself is murder, and by justifying suicide, you may as well justify murder. Simple as.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Vic Rattlehead' timestamp='1327688913' post='5783826'] <p> Perhaps I should elaborate on what constitutes acceptable cases of suicide: Maybe euthanasia. But even then you've got the problem of taking someone's life, an ethical issue. Suicide is self-murder. Dying of illness is not a strong enough excuse, in my opinion. Killing yourself is murder, and by justifying suicide, you may as well justify murder. Simple as.</p> [/quote] It's never simple. Killing yourself is not murder because it's not forced on you, you want it to happen. It's just like you can't rape a 24 year old who asked you to rape them (no offense to anybody, it's an example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tin Trooper Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327689175' post='5783831'] It's never simple. Killing yourself is not murder because it's not forced on you, you want it to happen. It's just like you can't rape a 24 year old who asked you to rape them (no offense to anybody, it's an example) [/quote] Suicide is the intentional killing of oneself. Murder is intentionally killing. Therefore, suicide IS murdering oneself. Although with the second example, that wouldn't be classed as rape, per se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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