Lunar Origins Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 So, recently I had a friend tell me she wanted to commit. I responded with a typical don't-do-it, but she already had her own argument prepared, and it was quite good. Anyways, discuss the controversial topic of suicide and the effects it has on society. Also, consider the one who wants to commit suicide's point of view, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Screw their point of view I have ethics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyng's Old Account Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Here's my against argument: Firstly, suicide acheives nothing more than ending a life, which is though escaping a problem ending all chances of perhaps an easier manner to recover from said problem, consequentially making suicide on the whole a huge waste of time. Furthermore, if there is an easier option which seems unappealing then there is treatment called therapy which can make things easier on an individual. Regardless of whatever reason, suicide can be resolved by many other means. Secondly, suicide is perhaps the most selfish act to do, as you'll find it is the individual saying "I can't take it anymore." or "I want to end it all." however it should duely be noted that it is not only the individual affected by suicide; for example the victim's family will also become victims as they have to both carry the emotional crushing strain that is the loss of a dear and close family member, as well as having to carry the burden of external perspectives making accusations and humiliating the family because of it. Another point to take into deep consideration is that you will be stuck in the ground dead for the rest of your life. But, for the sake of the argument, let's say there is an afterlife; you will be greatly judged by commiting suicide and those who have caused it will have acheived something further than their original goal. Let's say there's a bully who beat the crap out of you because you were more wealthy than him. Following suicide, you no longer have anything to own because you're dead, so you haven't escape the problem you were running from, but rather have succumb to it. And finally, let's not forget out good old friend/hypocrite religion. If you are of a faith, you'll know that suicide it a sin and will have it's consequences, whether it be an enternity in Hellfire, or a very bad next life, you'll have no propsperous gain from it. You do not gain honour, respect, or anything. Maybe peace, but like I said following religion it won't last. So, as a conclusional point, I stand strong firmly against suicide as I simply reason that it is: "The coward's way out." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='::Kyng::' timestamp='1327414388' post='5778603'] And finally, let's not forget out good old friend/hypocrite religion. If you are of a faith, you'll know that suicide it a sin and will have it's consequences, whether it be an enternity in Hellfire, or a very bad next life, you'll have no propsperous gain from it. You do not gain honour, respect, or anything. Maybe peace, but like I said following religion it won't last. [/quote] You just spoke for a small minority of religions. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyng's Old Account Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Did I say I wouldn't? Sorry if I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but suicide is cowardly. I should know because I've contemplated on more than one occasion. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='GreigaBeastDS' timestamp='1327415950' post='5778624'] I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but suicide is cowardly. [/quote] It is. It's also the easiest solution there it. Which is why so many people do it. It's easier to be cowardly than be brave. I should know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 People who joke about it should shut their mouth. It's serious buisness, only real reason is if you have something that will make your life incredibly painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makο Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 I never really understood WHY someone would want to take their own life. Well, the Emo/Whatever type of suicide I mean, not the Samurai stab to stomach type (that's an honor thing, isn't it? I understand that). Maybe it's just because my view on life is different from those who have/have tried to, but it never made sense to me. Suicide over love? I mean, sure, I guess you can get sad over it, but suicide is a little extreme. And by extreme, I mean stupid. I guess I can understand suicide after rape, but only to a degree. There are still many ways of coping with that I assume, whether it's therapy or dedicating your life to eliminate the offenders (more extreme option, BUT STILL VALID) Suicide over death in family? Well, I suppose it makes sense if you believe in a place where everyone goes after death and you just want to join them, but otherwise, it's stupid. Said family member would probably NOT want you killing yourself over THEIR death. Well, on the other hand, I'm probably ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasu Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Depends on the person, their mindset, their surroundings, their current situation, etc. If I ever had to resort to murder in order to solve a problem (which is highly unlikely), I'd be the last person to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Often, people contemplating suicide simply want their problems to go away, but they think they can't go away. The simplest reason a lot of the time, and easily solved. It's a touchy issue, since I've been in similar situations to Lunar, but awareness is definitely the best thing you can give to people in positions like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='::Kyng::' timestamp='1327414388' post='5778603'] Secondly, suicide is perhaps the most selfish act to do, as you'll find it is the individual saying "I can't take it anymore." or "I want to end it all." however it should duely be noted that it is not only the individual affected by suicide; for example the victim's family will also become victims as they have to both carry the emotional crushing strain that is the loss of a dear and close family member, as well as having to carry the burden of external perspectives making accusations and humiliating the family because of it. [/quote] This pretty much sums up my stance on it. Why would you put your friends and family through something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1327435832' post='5778950'] This pretty much sums up my stance on it. Why would you put your friends and family through something like that? [/quote] Because it's easy on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAINTAIN GOD OF DUNDA MT. Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Friend of mine had suicide thoughts not too long ago. I talked her out of it. But suicide is unneccessary.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted January 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 I'll admit that I've considered it a few times these past months, but I love myself far too much to do it. ...I've come close, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327419717' post='5778680'] It is. It's also the easiest solution there it. Which is why so many people do it. It's easier to be cowardly than be brave. I should know. [/quote] There's a Japanese proverb "Death is lighter than a feather, but duty is heavier than iron." inb4youaren'treallytokugawa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 [size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Suicide? Cowardly? If someone's mind has gone to such a place that they'd rather not live any more, I don't see how it's cowardly to find a 'solution'. I don't think it's selfish either. Sorry if I have controversial views on this. [quote name='Comrade Trollestia' timestamp='1327415035' post='5778614'] You just spoke for a small minority of religions. Just saying. [/quote]I'm not sure about consequences, but suicide is shunned by a lot of religions Maybe I misunderstood your post, but regardless, I disagree with beliefs that suicide is a 'sin', so this seems relevant. Suicide is technically forbidden by Jewish Law. Jews that commit suicide don't receive certain mourning rights and are buried in a different part of Jewish cemetaries. The Catholic Church is actually odd on this. It calls suicide a serious sin, but "We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives." It's generally frowned upon and I think it was only until 50-70 years ago that people that commited suicide were buried in different areas or outside the cemetery. Islam views it as one of the greatest sins. Something all the Abrahamic religions share. "And do not kill yourselves, surely God is most Merciful to you." (4:29) Hinduism views it as a sin as well, but have some beliefs as to fasting as a method of suicide, but only to a certain few, I think?[/font][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Metal Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 The problems left behind by suicide far outweigh the problem your trying to escape. Just call a hotline, talk to friends, work it out. It's not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Suicide is never the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='Horus.' timestamp='1327446130' post='5779234'] [size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Suicide? Cowardly? If someone's mind has gone to such a place that they'd rather not live any more, I don't see how it's cowardly to find a 'solution'.[/font][/size] [/quote] It's cowardly because it's considered "running away from your problems". I'm not speaking as a religious person either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Why am I always drawn to this topic like a magnet every time it comes up in this section? Anyway... If you're in a state of mind where you're considering suicide (which as most know I have been in before myself) you don't think clearly. You don't think [i]'oh this is going to hurt my family and friends'[/i] because you can do nothing to overcome the louder voice and think [b]'I have no friends, my family hates me, everyone would be better off without me...[/b]' and so on. You don't think [i]'it can solved by therapy and a solution can be found'[/i] because the overriding all consuming thoughts are [b]'I can't be helped, I'm going to be like this forever'[/b] and so on. You don't think [i]'Hell will be worse'[/i] you think '[b]This is hell, whatever's waiting can't be worse.'[/b] You just can't think straight, it gets all consuming. You can't sleep, you can't eat (or you gorge, I switched between), life just shuts down. You feel trapped, depression and that it's not going to change in this life, so you try to end it and hope the next life isn't worse. This is a whole suicide because of depression look; there is of course cases of suicide after a fall like financial ruin or guilt of a crime. So yeah, that's my two senses. I'm not glamourising or saying its the way to go, far from. I'm just explaining the mindset someone in that position might be in is not the rational mind of those calling is selfish and cowardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1327448028' post='5779310'] It's cowardly because it's considered "running away from your problems". I'm not speaking as a religious person either. [/quote]Is it cowardly to run away from a situation where you feel there is no escape? The mind is an odd thing, if it cannot accept an escape, it will NOT believe it and so, will not take steps to take that escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 If a friend of mine ever talked about committing suicide I'd probably punch them in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 [quote name='Comrade Trollestia' timestamp='1327449804' post='5779369'] If a friend of mine ever talked about committing suicide I'd probably punch them in the face. [/quote]oh yes that'll cheer them up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yang Xiao-Long Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 [quote name='Comrade Trollestia' timestamp='1327449804' post='5779369'] If a friend of mine ever talked about committing suicide I'd probably punch them in the face. [/quote] If anything, you'd just make their situation worse. Talk to them about it instead, and go get them some professional help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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