Verz Singles - Numbers for Gauche and Driote and now KAITO

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

Haven't actually given them Numbers yet, can't think of any sort of meaningful/significant ones for them (like 15 for IV). Open to suggestions.

VBC-039 [b]Number ??: Berserk Rebondir[/b]
[color=#8b4513][b]EARTH[/b][/color]
******
Beast-Warrior/Xyz/Effect
3 Level 6 Monsters
While this card has Xyz Material; it is unaffected by traps. Once per turn: If this card destroys a monster by battle; you can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; this card gains 1000 ATK and can attack again. You cannot attack directly if you use this effect, and during the End Phase of a turn you use this effect; this card loses 1000 ATK.
ATK 2800 / DEF 2000

VBC-040 [b]Number ??: Nightmare Papillons[/b]
[color=#4b0082][b]DARK[/b][/color]
****
Insect/Xyz/Effect
3 Level 4 Monsters
When this card battles: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; change the Battle Position of the opponents monster and activate the corresponding effect:
- If the monster is switched to Attack Position; its ATK becomes 0.
- If the monster is switched to Defence Position; its DEF becomes 0.
ATK 2300 / DEF 1300

VBC-041 [b]Number 40: Hate Seeker[/b]
[color=#8b4513][b]EARTH[/b][/color]
****
Zombie/Xyz/Effect
2 Level 4 Monsters
Once per turn: Detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; Target 1 monster your opponent controls. That monster cannot attack, change Battle Position, or activate its effect. When this card would be destroyed and sent to the Graveyard; your opponent takes damage equal to Xyz Material attached to this card when it was destroyed x 1000.
ATK 2000 / DEF 0

Comments? I won't hold my breath, but you never know, I might be astounded yet.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

Bump. Because no comments on these two.

Really? Really?

[Taylor Gorrell]

Hey Bahamut, do you mind if I use the effects and stats of Nightmare Papillons for my own Number for Droite, No. 52: Bladed Butterspy?

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[quote name='Taylor Gorrell' timestamp='1327364869' post='5777849']
Hey Bahamut, do you mind if I use the effects and stats of Nightmare Papillons for my own Number for Droite, No. 52: Bladed Butterspy?
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So... basically it would be the exact same card with the exact same purpose... just 'created' by you.

Gee. Let me think.

Yes of course I would f***ing mind you moron. Come up with your own effect.

[Taylor Gorrell]

I would've given you credit. I'm not a creep like that. Jeez, I heard you were a nice guy.

[AsianGuy1137]

[quote]VBC-039 [b]Number ??: Berserk Rebondir[/b]
[color=#8B4513][b]EARTH[/b][/color]
******
Beast-Warrior/Xyz/Effect
3 Level 6 Monsters
Once per turn: If this card destroys a monster by battle; you can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; this card gains 1000 ATK and can attack again. You cannot attack directly if you use this effect, and during the End Phase of a turn you use this effect; this card loses 1500 ATK.
ATK 2600 / DEF 1000[/quote]
For 3 Level 6 monsters, this effect isn't worth it. The fact that it becomes weaker if you use its effect makes it undesirable, even if it can net you a +1 from battle. If the effect isn't used, then the player really gets no compensation for the inherent -2 of summoning this card. Maybe you could replace the last clause with, it cannot declare an attack next turn.

[quote]VBC-040 [b]Number ??: Nightmare Papillons[/b]
[color=#4B0082][b]DARK[/b][/color]
****
Insect/Xyz/Effect
3 Level 4 Monsters
When this card battles: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; change the Battle Position of the opponents monster and activate the corresponding effect:
- If the monster is switched to Attack Position; its ATK becomes 0.
- If the monster is switched to Defence Position; its DEF becomes 0.
ATK 2300 / DEF 1300[/quote]
For a Xyz that only requires Level 4s, this is actually pretty good, better than Utopia. The only thing I'm concerned about is the inherent -2 for summoning, but that's probably just me since facing 1-for-1 removal cards is a threat to all monsters, with a few exceptions like Stardust, Thought Ruler, and Zenmaines. Other than that, I'd definitely consider using this.

[quote]I would've given you credit. I'm not a creep like that. Jeez, I heard you were a nice guy.[/quote]
Maybe he was having a bad day. Just give him the benefit of the doubt and be the bigger person in this instance and be sure to make your intentions completely clear next time.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

Feedback? Actual genuine constructive feedback? *has heart attack*

*recovers and responds*

[quote name='AsianGuy1137' timestamp='1327456804' post='5779638']
For 3 Level 6 monsters, this effect isn't worth it. The fact that it becomes weaker if you use its effect makes it undesirable, even if it can net you a +1 from battle. If the effect isn't used, then the player really gets no compensation for the inherent -2 of summoning this card. Maybe you could replace the last clause with, it cannot declare an attack next turn.
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Can see what you mean, as it was its better to go Shark Drake in a way. Bolstered its attack and given it trap immunity, plus its ATK returns to normal rather than lowered.

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For a Xyz that only requires Level 4s, this is actually pretty good, better than Utopia. The only thing I'm concerned about is the inherent -2 for summoning, but that's probably just me since facing 1-for-1 removal cards is a threat to all monsters, with a few exceptions like Stardust, Thought Ruler, and Zenmaines. Other than that, I'd definitely consider using this.
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The Xyz Material was basically decided on Photon BFA/Streak Bouncer requirements +1. I don't usually go for these except maybe Shock Ruler, but seemed the logical way to go for their Numbers. Any idea on fitting Numbers btw?

Thank you for feedback.

[quote]
Maybe he was having a bad day. Just give him the benefit of the doubt and be the bigger person in this instance and be sure to make your intentions completely clear next time.
[/quote]

The intentions have since been explained to me (by someone else on his behalf, not the person to explain himself) so I know what was asked for now and why, but it was still horrendously explained. And yes I was having a terrible day.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

Added another Number. Because Zombies need a Number of their own for all the Zombie Master, Blue Nosterfaru, and Screech Banshee (from another custom thread) shenanigans. And I might as well give it to Kaito, since Yuma can't have an alternative to Hope an'all.

Still need meaningful suggestions for the other two. I recently went looking on wikia at how all the other Numbers got their, er, Numbers. Quite interesting. (83 Galaxy Queen for example, could be derived from the 8th of March being International Mother's Day. 61 Volcasaurus and 19 Freezerdon are supposed to look like a volcano and an icicle as well as being the flip of each other, and so on.)

Was gonna go for Number of species of butterfly in the world, which is between 15-20. Ballbags.

Oh also, I'm now 5 cards or so from a complete set. So yeah will put that up and hopefully get some comments.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

18's not taken.
Anyways, Hate Seeker is rather interesting.

[CommanderVolt]

[quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1327176918' post='5774420']
Haven't actually given them Numbers yet, can't think of any sort of meaningful/significant ones for them (like 15 for IV). Open to suggestions.

VBC-039 [b]Number ??: Berserk Rebondir[/b]
[color=#8b4513][b]EARTH[/b][/color]
******
Beast-Warrior/Xyz/Effect
3 Level 6 Monsters
Once per turn: While this card has Xyz Material; it is unaffected by traps. If this card destroys a monster by battle; you can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; this card gains 1000 ATK and can attack again. You cannot attack directly if you use this effect, and during the End Phase of a turn you use this effect; this card loses 1000 ATK.
ATK 2800 / DEF 1000

[size=5][b]Once per turn it is un-affected by traps while it Xyz Materials it is unaffected by traps? Shouldnt you just word it like Tiras in this case? Also, as far as i've seen from the meta point of view, the only traps that directly affect monsters are the solemn trio, Prison and Torr. The occasional Compulsory and Phoenix Wing are there as well, but Trap removal is generally the lesser of the three evils. So then, when it destroys a monster in battle, you can ditch an Xyz Material for a 1k boost and attack again, but no direct attack. Kind of makes it like a wierd Shark Drake as you stated before. I dunno. In the decks i use to make rank 6s, i very rarely find my self with 3, let alone the fact i'll probobly make Soldde, Ptolmys or Streak Bouncer over this. its good card design though imo, keep it up.[/b][/size]

VBC-040 [b]Number ??: Nightmare Papillons[/b]
[color=#4b0082][b]DARK[/b][/color]
****
Insect/Xyz/Effect
3 Level 4 Monsters
When this card battles: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; change the Battle Position of the opponents monster and activate the corresponding effect:
- If the monster is switched to Attack Position; its ATK becomes 0.
- If the monster is switched to Defence Position; its DEF becomes 0.
ATK 2300 / DEF 1300

[size=5][b]Seems legit. 3 Monsters for a monster that's guaranteed to run over pretty much anything a total of 3 times. Funny thing is, i'd most likely go into this rather then Disigma. Would be nice to have as a Reptillianne Xyz...[/b][/size]

VBC-041 [b]Number 40: Hate Seeker[/b]
[color=#8b4513][b]EARTH[/b][/color]
****
Zombie/Xyz/Effect
2 Level 4 Monsters
Once per turn: Detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; Target 1 monster your opponent controls. That monster cannot attack, change Battle Position, or activate its effect. When this card would be destroyed and sent to the Graveyard; your opponent takes damage equal to Xyz Material attached to this card when it was destroyed x 1000.
ATK 2000 / DEF 0

[size=5][b]Seems solid, but most likely underwhelming. Meta-decks will over-swarm to the point a single copy of this will get you no where, and at which point, a 1000 burn is meh-ish. 2000 would keep your opponents warnings in check. Not much to say on this, but i don't like it in particular.[/b][/size]

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[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

Yeah, it's just not a very specific number though. Maybe 88 since they look like a pair of wings, sort of...

They are all anime-based so that's kinda why it looks like it does. Something Kaito could use to troll Yuma or whoever, but Level 4 for the above reasons.


Poison: Just looked at Tiras wording, its different to whats wanted here. This has full immunity to all traps while it has Material. It can't protect itself from Solemn and stuff that negates its summon, but its safe from Mirror Force, Dimension Prison, Luminize, or anything once its there. Maybe spells and traps would be better to save it from Dark Hole and Book too. No idea what to do for its Number.

High praise for Papillons is cool. Thank you.

[CommanderVolt]

[quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1327598357' post='5782084']
Yeah, it's just not a very specific number though. Maybe 88 since they look like a pair of wings, sort of...

They are all anime-based so that's kinda why it looks like it does. Something Kaito could use to troll Yuma or whoever, but Level 4 for the above reasons.


Poison: Just looked at Tiras wording, its different to whats wanted here. This has full immunity to all traps while it has Material. It can't protect itself from Solemn and stuff that negates its summon, but its safe from Mirror Force, Dimension Prison, Luminize, or anything once its there. Maybe spells and traps would be better to save it from Dark Hole and Book too. No idea what to do for its Number.

High praise for Papillons is cool. Thank you.
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I didn't mean to change it to not having immunity to traps i meant since it says "Once per turn:" first, it seems wierd. Like maybe having the "This card is unaffected by trap cards while it has Xyz Materials" or something like that. The way it seems now makes it seem like it has immunity to traps once per turn. Unless of course, that was your intent in which i apolagize.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

[quote name='Poison Love' timestamp='1327598953' post='5782096']
I didn't mean to change it to not having immunity to traps i meant since it says "Once per turn:" first, it seems wierd. Like maybe having the "This card is unaffected by trap cards while it has Xyz Materials" or something like that. The way it seems now makes it seem like it has immunity to traps once per turn. Unless of course, that was your intent in which i apolagize.
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Whoops. That's a late add to the card and I've copied and pasted in the wrong place. It's the extra attack thats supposed to be once a turn otherwise its OTK central.

Thanks for the spot. Fixed.

[CommanderVolt]

[quote name='Verz Bahamut' timestamp='1327599183' post='5782098']

Whoops. That's a late add to the card and I've copied and pasted in the wrong place. It's the extra attack thats supposed to be once a turn otherwise its OTK central.

Thanks for the spot. Fixed.
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No Problem.

One last thing, i feel its worthy of 2000 defense. Being ran over by a weak monster because of a book play would hurt a play which involved getting 3 Level 6s out seriously hard. Just my opinion though.