Flame Dragon Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 [img]http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dka/ykcv734set_en.jpg[/img] Yea, 2/1 haste that comes back bigger for 2 mana. I love this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niv-Mizzet Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Green will be very interesting in Dark Ascension Limited by the looks of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 This card laughs on Infect Deck's Faces all the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 I love it. And I'm going to run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 [quote name='-Venser el Transeúnte-' timestamp='1326234268' post='5758056'] This card laughs on Infect Deck's Faces all the day [/quote] Only if the infecting creature doesn't have power 2+. It is ruled that a creature dies before its counters are removed by the +1/+1 / -1/-1 rule. Phyrexian Crusader still laughs at this. I think this looks pretty good. Early game, it swings for two on second turn. Even if you draw it a little later, its 3 power form will still be relevant. Even late game it blocks two attacks on different turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 [quote name='Mysty' timestamp='1326245464' post='5758469'] Only if the infecting creature doesn't have power 2+. It is ruled that a creature dies before its counters are removed by the +1/+1 / -1/-1 rule. Phyrexian Crusader still laughs at this. [/quote] That doesn't make sence at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 I think Mysty is trying to say that there's a ruling saying that the creature, instead of losing all the -1/-1 counters from the infect, will keep them instead. So it would be a 1/1 creature instead of a 3/3. But I'm not sure if that ruling is correct, seeing as it says "When this creature dies, [b]return it to the battlefield.[/b]" This implies that the creatures in fact DOES die and hit the grave, meaning that all the -1/-1 counters will be taken off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 [quote name='Rainbow Dash' timestamp='1326255444' post='5758849'] I think Mysty is trying to say that there's a ruling saying that the creature, instead of losing all the -1/-1 counters from the infect, will keep them instead. So it would be a 1/1 creature instead of a 3/3. But I'm not sure if that ruling is correct, seeing as it says "When this creature dies, [b]return it to the battlefield.[/b]" This implies that the creatures in fact DOES die and hit the grave, meaning that all the -1/-1 counters will be taken off. [/quote] No, it remembers what its last board state was. So lets say this battles a 2/X infect creature. He will get 2 -1/-1 counters and even though he has +1/+1 counter his stats will auto register him being a 1/0 and would be put into the yard before the counters come off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Pudding Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Remember kids: Although cancelling out +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters is a state based action, so is sending creatures to the graveyard due to having equal to or less than 0 toughness. State based actions all happen at the same time, so it won't have time to check to see if it didn't have +1/+1 counters on it before it's too late to bring it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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