neg reps

[TOM 3.5]

Kevin@ Same thing

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

what if instead of calling them neg reps we call the dislikes?

Changing the name does not change the purpose.

[Solemn Silver]

Ah jeez

 

My post didn;t go though

 

An example would be like

 

On Dn, if you notice how some people are just so scrubby that they will go as far as argue with an admin about a ruling

 

something like that

 

long story short, stubborn scrubs are the onyl people who really deserve negs. But there arn't enough of them here for it to even be a good idea.

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

long story short, stubborn scrubs are the onyl people who really deserve negs. But there arn't enough of them here for it to even be a good idea.

No they don't. They deserve to be told off, because they think they are right when they aren't, and a little red number's only going to make them worse.

[Travie]

Is this topic going anywhere? So far it has been 3 pages of everyone debating with the OP.

[evilfusion]

Of course the topic's not going anywhere. It was established early on that it'd take extra effort to enable negs on the current board and only YCMaker can do it, which means it's very unlikely it'll happen in the foreseeable future. But debates continue as to whether the function had any practical purpose in the first place.

[Travie]

Of course the topic's not going anywhere. It was established early on that it'd take extra effort to enable negs on the current board and only YCMaker can do it, which means it's very unlikely it'll happen in the foreseeable future. But debates continue as to whether the function had any practical purpose in the first place.

Then isn't this in the wrong section? .-.

[Legend Zero]

Then isn't this in the wrong section? .-.

This is the most action this section gets, and Debates are for serious world issues.

[kevin7653]

such as what to do in case of an alien invasion

[Astolfo]

such as what to do in case of an alien invasion

Are u being serious? It's govt political stuff usuaally

[kevin7653]

but if there is...

[Astolfo]

*sigh* If you want to prove it to yourself, check out debates section.

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

Tempted to lock this because the discussion seems to be over.

[kevin7653]

maybe but i'm really hoping to get these back or at least something like tjis

[Astolfo]

What are tijis?

[kevin7653]

j=h

[Astolfo]

I still don't understand. :/

[kevin7653]

maybe but i'm really hoping to get these back or at least something like this

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

I still don't understand. :/

He misspelled "this" as "tjis"

[Sleepy]

Now, it seems that I've always been like this with all forms of "negative feedback" that some sites have provided, but are easily abused (neg reps, DN's ASS feature).

 

1) Having them does not dissuade people from acting out. These are people who either are doing it deliberately for amusement, and may in fact get positive reps from people who found it amusing, or simply dont care about the number.

 

2) Having them (might) make intelligent, good members uncomfortable that someone will use them against them when they didn't deserve them. That doesn't dissuade the good members from acting appropriately and sharing their opinions and stuff, but with DN, at least, this was a major abuse problem. It also puts way too much emphasis on popularity. If you disagree with a popular member's opinion, you may find yourself getting a lot of backlack in the form of negs from people who don't like your opinion because it's not the same as "Popular Intelli-member".

 

3) I never liked USING them. There were plenty of posts I saw that I didn't like, whether they be trolly, spammy, or stupid. But giving a neg rep to those people is pointless. It doesn't change the fact they made such a post, and it has no power in correcting their behavior, plus trolls WANT this to happen to their posts.

 

In fact, now that I'm a mod looking back, the concept of neg reps is mini-modding. You're expressing disapproval in the form of a penalty, but the penalty only means so much to certain people, and may be ineffective. It's like a parent grounding a child with a punishment that holds no sway on the child (like...no video games for a week, when they're an athletic person that loves playing outside with their friends. I am aware this isn't realistic). The child walks away, smirking that the parent did effectively nothing to them.

 

Then again, I'm also fairly tight with positive reps, too. I have never reached my daily quota for posi-reps, and a lot of "popular" posts are those with a "humorous" meme attached, rather than anything meaningful. While it can be effective, meme spamming is overdone and often badly, making it annoying.

 

4) So with neg reps and ASS before it was removed, I gave them out EXTREMELY RARELY, and only when the person truly, truly deserved it, and not just for one little thing that rubbed me the wrong way, but something very blatantly wrong. But even then, it's a bad concept for any internet community. Other people aren't so lenient and for those that rep means a lot to, this can turn hateful very quickly. This type of tension is not needed.

 

Even as a mod, I don't give out warns just because someone made a dumb post. They have to be a repeat offender to warrant cracking down, because like with neg reps, sometimes it's an actual mistake to make a dumb post, and I've seen at least one member get chewed out practically to death for misreading a card during discussion, making a mistake, and then everyone else mocking and harping on him, even as he tried to explain he made a mistake. Which interestingly got the entire thread off-topic for about 2 pages...

 

Anyway, neg reps still aren't practical as a punishment. Just because you dislike something someone said does not mean you should be able to punish the person at your own discretion. Counterarguments are better and improve the community and ideas of discusssion, and if someone gets trolly or spammy about it, either forget about them and ignore it, or report it and let mods see if there's a bigger issue that should be addressed.

 

I was about to put a Like on this post, but seeing as it's content is about the meaninglessness of Rep Systems over the internet, I thought it'd be more appropiate to reply with emphasys on how much I agree with the contents of the post.

 

So there!

[kevin7653]

so heres my new argument if neg reps were so bad why did we have them in the first place shurly ycmaker would of though of all that when he did it

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

so heres my new argument if neg reps were so bad why did we have them in the first place shurly ycmaker would of though of all that when he did it

If they were so good why did he get rid of them?

[kevin7653]

i asked the first question so satart talking

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

He didn't think of it being abused. That's kind of how mistakes are made. It got abused and people wanted it gone. I doubt it's coming back without good reason.

 

Now start talking.

[Smear]

Or, neg reps come by default with the MyBB rep plugin. :L