kevin7653 Posted December 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 cause not everything is bad enough to report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astolfo Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 *Sigh* Then suck it up, or report it. Neg wars/Revenge reps are worse than having neg reps just for some stupid people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 cause not everything is bad enough to reportExamples. People being stupid? Tell them they are. Still not responding? Then they probably won't respond to a number either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin7653 Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 somehow i dont like that idea...i wonder why(in sarcastic tone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 somehow i dont like that idea...i wonder why(in sarcastic tone)So basically you're afraid of having your opinion heard. Mkay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin7653 Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 somehow that might be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 somehow that might be wrongWell maybe if you gave an actual explanation I'd understand ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin7653 Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 sandwich one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 If you don't like what someone is doing report it's not complicated. We had a lot of issues with revenge negatives, then members complained to the mods about it, it doesn't need a rep for someone to tell a mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Neg Reps weren't taken out by YCMaker personally. Was replaced by Likes in a System Update. Neg Reps should be brought back but in Moderation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Neg Reps weren't taken out by YCMaker personally. Was replaced by Likes in a System Update. Neg Reps should be brought back but in Moderation. I was thinking more along the lines of a post rating from 1-5 stars, and YCM saves your total number of rating stars. So you can't get a negative number and feel like everyone hates you(Like I did when I had like -100 rep) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merciless Overlord Knic Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Not liking them is a stupid reason to give them a neg. That gets us into what we call "Neg Wars".ya but some are rude but not innapropriate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Welche Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 No. Negs where horrible and shouldn't come back. Am I the only one who lold when they saw this? Anyway the fact that they were removed was brought up by Draco in the first place. Okay so when I originally suggested removing them the main argument I fought against was that they were needed to use against a post you disagree with. But why is that needed? Can you not simply respond to said post with your own opinion? It isn't that hard to just do that. The other main argument for negs was that they were to deal with spam. This is a terrible idea. We have a report button folks, use it (and on a side not, don't post that you used it). The only way I could see neg reps being implemented again is how they originally were. You neg rep a user and give a reason. The user can then see the reason and take it up with a mod, but even then that is adding a lot of responsibilities to mods meaning the section might fall into more chaos. So ya... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin7653 Posted December 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 I was thinking more along the lines of a post rating from 1-5 stars, and YCM saves your total number of rating stars.) Neg Reps should be brought back but in Moderation.i like these to ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 As stated earlier, there is nothing a rep/like can do that posting can't do better. If someone doesn't behave/sit well with you then tell them about it (in PM preferably). If it doesn't help then moderation will step in. Heaven forbid someone on the Internet doesn't like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Now, it seems that I've always been like this with all forms of "negative feedback" that some sites have provided, but are easily abused (neg reps, DN's ASS feature). 1) Having them does not dissuade people from acting out. These are people who either are doing it deliberately for amusement, and may in fact get positive reps from people who found it amusing, or simply dont care about the number. 2) Having them (might) make intelligent, good members uncomfortable that someone will use them against them when they didn't deserve them. That doesn't dissuade the good members from acting appropriately and sharing their opinions and stuff, but with DN, at least, this was a major abuse problem. It also puts way too much emphasis on popularity. If you disagree with a popular member's opinion, you may find yourself getting a lot of backlack in the form of negs from people who don't like your opinion because it's not the same as "Popular Intelli-member". 3) I never liked USING them. There were plenty of posts I saw that I didn't like, whether they be trolly, spammy, or stupid. But giving a neg rep to those people is pointless. It doesn't change the fact they made such a post, and it has no power in correcting their behavior, plus trolls WANT this to happen to their posts. In fact, now that I'm a mod looking back, the concept of neg reps is mini-modding. You're expressing disapproval in the form of a penalty, but the penalty only means so much to certain people, and may be ineffective. It's like a parent grounding a child with a punishment that holds no sway on the child (like...no video games for a week, when they're an athletic person that loves playing outside with their friends. I am aware this isn't realistic). The child walks away, smirking that the parent did effectively nothing to them. Then again, I'm also fairly tight with positive reps, too. I have never reached my daily quota for posi-reps, and a lot of "popular" posts are those with a "humorous" meme attached, rather than anything meaningful. While it can be effective, meme spamming is overdone and often badly, making it annoying. 4) So with neg reps and ASS before it was removed, I gave them out EXTREMELY RARELY, and only when the person truly, truly deserved it, and not just for one little thing that rubbed me the wrong way, but something very blatantly wrong. But even then, it's a bad concept for any internet community. Other people aren't so lenient and for those that rep means a lot to, this can turn hateful very quickly. This type of tension is not needed. Even as a mod, I don't give out warns just because someone made a dumb post. They have to be a repeat offender to warrant cracking down, because like with neg reps, sometimes it's an actual mistake to make a dumb post, and I've seen at least one member get chewed out practically to death for misreading a card during discussion, making a mistake, and then everyone else mocking and harping on him, even as he tried to explain he made a mistake. Which interestingly got the entire thread off-topic for about 2 pages... Anyway, neg reps still aren't practical as a punishment. Just because you dislike something someone said does not mean you should be able to punish the person at your own discretion. Counterarguments are better and improve the community and ideas of discusssion, and if someone gets trolly or spammy about it, either forget about them and ignore it, or report it and let mods see if there's a bigger issue that should be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 If people really deserve them, then they probably deserve a warn. You can`t give a warning for stupidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 You can`t give a warning for stupidityTry using a new argument. No you can't, but it doesn't deserve a neg just because you disagree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Welche Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Stupidity is the lack of knowledge. Instead of making them feel bad about it, inform them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Try using a new argument. No you can't, but it doesn't deserve a neg just because you disagree with them. Eh.. I don`t read most topics past page one And I mean not necessarily disagreeing with someone, but when the sheer stupidity level goes to levels of over nine-thousand, I think it can deserve a neg rep. Take shard for example. Stupidity is the lack of knowledge. Instead of making them feel bad about it, inform them. Yeah. I guess so. But when it goes as far as someone still not agreeing with you, (because it is a mix of opinions and knowledge) then I think you can issue a neg rep. Still, that isn`t even a good reason to have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Take shard for example.You mean the guy who, at one point, started collecting negs?Yeah. I guess so. But when it goes as far as someone still not agreeing with you, (because it is a mix of opinions and knowledge) then I think you can issue a neg rep.So disagreement = stupid. Either you worded that badly or you need a new argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 You mean the guy who, at one point, started collecting negs? So disagreement = stupid. Either you worded that badly or you need a new argument. Ehh worded badly, odds are. It sounded smart in my head xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOM 3.5 Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 I still give no support as there is no reason to have them. You don't like a person don't give them a positive rep simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Welche Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 If a person insists on disagreeing with you then they are of a different opinion. I do not see why that should tarnish their reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin7653 Posted December 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 what if instead of calling them neg reps we call the dislikes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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