How Can An Extra Deck Be Obvious?

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

This is something I am not understanding in the Your Deck forum.
Sometimes, a user will not post the contents of the Extra Deck, and when inquired about the Extra Deck, they say it's "obvious".
Why and how?
Not all cards that can go into an Extra Deck can fill a specific Extra Deck, and staples only go so far.
And why not include an essential part of a deck in the description of that deck?
It just baffles me.

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

[quote name='Dante v. Nero' timestamp='1322275406' post='5666046']
[size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]WELCOME TO ANOTHER SPECIAL EDITION OF THE EXTRA DECK PEANUT GALLERY, STARING OLD FRIENDS:

CATASTOR
BLACK ROSE DRAGON
STARDUST DRAGON
SCRAP DRAGON
MAGICAL ANDROID [b][i]DON'T RUN IT[/i][/b]
BRIONAC, DRAGON OF THE ICE BARRIER
TRISHULA, DRAGON OF THE ICE BARRIER
NUMBER 39: UTOPIA [b][i]DON'T RUN IT[/i][/b]
NUMBER 17: LEVIATHAN DRAGON
GACHI-GACHI GANTETSU[b][i] DON'T RUN IT[/i][/b]
LEVIAIR THE [s]BYAKK[/s] SEA DRAGON [b][i]DON'T RUN IT[/i][/b]

WITH SPECIAL GUESTS:

NUMBER 96: BLACK MIST [b][i]DON'T RUN IT[/i][/b]
ARMORY ARM
IRON CHAIN DRAGON [b][i]DA FUQ WOULD YOU PUT THIS AND NOT ORIENT!?[/i][/b]
ANCIENT SACRED WYVERN [b][i]DON'T RUN IT[/i][/b]

DIRECTOR OF THE PEANUT GALLERY: 90% OF THE KID'S POPULATION THAT PLAYS CHILDREN'S CARD GAMES![/font][/size]

OT: In all seriousness, though, all of the cards listed are so splashable that they are included in every Extra Deck, and is therefore an "obvious" choice to run in that Deck.
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As you can see, I don't run the stuff you seem to think can/should be run in every deck :/

[Headmaster Monokuma]

But it still helps to list, cause then you can know exactly what they're already running and what to suggest. However, wanting them to list is more of a curtsy thing you want, and asking for that on YCM is just silly.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

Yes, but what if a Deck is purely Synchro or purely Xyz, or is a Malefic or Gladiator Beast Deck, where those staples don't apply?

[.Rai]

It's all fine asking for people to post the Extra Deck, but if you don't know the Extra, I'm guessing you don't know how the whole deck works.

i.e. you should be asking how the deck itself works first, instead of being inquisitive about those sort of things.

If you are running a Synchro-based deck, common sense is that you will run staples. If you can figure out the key cards of a Main Deck, you can figure out the key cards of any Extra. Besides when people don't specify, it's usually because they're saying, "Really, a specific one don't matter. Just use common Synchros and Xyzs that work in the deck. If you don't know still, actually figure out how the Main Deck works first."

I look at a Gladiator Beast deck, go search it up, realise Gyzarus has been on the banlist before, realise Bestiari is Limited, realise that Gyzarus is immediately a key card in the deck :S I mean, there's a certain level of independence needed here, and realising what a deck needs is key.

Take an Extra Deck from before Xyzs were invented, and it probably looked a lot like this:

1 Stardust Dragon
1 Black Rose Dragon
1 Scrap Dragon
1 Armory Arm
1 Catastor
1 Thought Ruler
1 Trishula
1 Brionac
1 Colossal Fighter
1 Magical Android
1 T.G. Hyper Librarian
1 Flamvell Uruquizas
1 Ancient Fairy Librarian
1 Red Dragon Archfiend
1 Chimeratech Fortress Dragon

Even if it didn't look exactly like that, I doubt any of the cards were one of the key cards of the deck. Instead a supplementary card. Common sense tells you which are the most important cards, and which aren't. You should immediately know that Scrap Dragon, Trishula, Brionac, Stardust, Catastor are pretty much staples. Black Rose, Librarian, Armory Arm, I would all consider semi-staples. They can stay if there's space or if the deck needs them. Or whatever. Other cards can be thrown out at whatever time you like.

After Xyzs were introduced, decks were basically split into 2 decks: Synchro decks, and non-Synchro decks. Non-Synchro decks run Scrap/Stardust, Catastor/Black Rose, Brionac if possible, Trishula too. Rest are Xyzs. Synchro decks look pretty similar to previous Extra Decks.

Most importantly, since the Extra hardly ruins consistency and can be tested by that person themselves if they want, literally who cares? No-one wants fixes on the Extra most of the time really. Preference is preference, and giving fixes would completely contradict your point of there being no "generic Extra". You are fixing to what could be considered a perfect Extra. Eh.

[evilfusion]

[quote name='Charlotte The Witch' timestamp='1322275052' post='5666023']
This is something I am not understanding in the Your Deck forum.
Sometimes, a user will not post the contents of the Extra Deck, and when inquired about the Extra Deck, they say it's "obvious".
Why and how?
Not all cards that can go into an Extra Deck can fill a specific Extra Deck, and staples only go so far.
And why not include an essential part of a deck in the description of that deck?
It just baffles me.
[/quote]

I've been cracking down on this a bit, because there's honestly no real excuse for neglecting to post the Extra Deck and then telling inquisitive people that they should "figure it out" or that it's "obvious" or standard.

I myself don't know what the standard Extra Deck is, and I find this replies to people incredibly annoying because it takes for granted that while some people make specific Extra Deck choices for personal tech or style, the basic outline is actually not as clear-cut as they say.

[Catterjune]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1322277115' post='5666135']
I've been cracking down on this a bit, because there's honestly no real excuse for neglecting to post the Extra Deck and then telling inquisitive people that they should "figure it out" or that it's "obvious" or standard.[/quote]
Good on ya'.

You can't say you're making a Gladiator Beast Deck and say:

"Standard GB monster Line Up, - 1 Darius. - 1 Test Tiger, + 2 Summoner Monk"
"Standard GB spell line up + staples - 1 E-Con + RoTA"
"Standard GB trap line up - 1 Waboku - 1 War Chariot + 2 Safe Zone"

or some other similar stuff.

But yeah, what counts as an 'obvious extra deck' varies from person to person.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

Thank you both.
For me there is no "obvious Extra Deck", no matter what the situation. Sure, there are some cards that are staples, but there is are only a handful of cards out of the thousands of cards in existence that fit into every single deck, no matter what the archetype or strategy.

[CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight]

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1322277586' post='5666159']
Good on ya'.

You can't say you're making a Gladiator Beast Deck and say:

"Standard GB monster Line Up, - 1 Darius. - 1 Test Tiger, + 2 Summoner Monk"
"Standard GB spell line up + staples - 1 E-Con + RoTA"
"Standard GB trap line up - 1 Waboku - 1 War Chariot + 2 Safe Zone"

or some other similar stuff.

But yeah, what counts as an 'obvious extra deck' varies from person to person.
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Since you agree that extra decks varies, of course you can guess about 5-10 cards that would be in it but what about the rest of it? that'd leave in questions. My suggestion is though having Extra deck is optional (but almost everyone run it) to change the rules on your deck thread that stop posters from slacking off the extra deck?

[evilfusion]

The issue I've noticed in most cases isn't so much that the Extra Deck is crucial to understanding the Deck, but the Extra Deck isn't posted at all, and whenever anyone asks about it, other people, both the Deck poster and others, are extremely RUDE about it and refuse to give a straight answer to the question.

If you exclude your Extra Deck from the rest of the Deck when providing a Decklist, you are technically not using one. It's similar to excluding your Spell lineup because you only use "staples".

I feel the Extra Deck is additional insight into how the Deck works and how it strategizes. Even if it's supposed to be blatantly obvious, I still feel it warrants posting. You posted the rest of the Deck, why not the Extra Deck, too?

Plus, as stated, the contents of the Extra Deck are subjective.

[Resident Fascist]

Catastor
trish
librarian
leviathan drag
leviair
starfag
scrap
blader
briofaggot
black rose

etc

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

[size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]WELCOME TO ANOTHER SPECIAL EDITION OF THE EXTRA DECK PEANUT GALLERY, STARING OLD FRIENDS:

CATASTOR
BLACK ROSE DRAGON
STARDUST DRAGON
SCRAP DRAGON
MAGICAL ANDROID
BRIONAC, DRAGON OF THE ICE BARRIER
TRISHULA, DRAGON OF THE ICE BARRIER
NUMBER 39: UTOPIA
NUMBER 17: LEVIATHAN DRAGON
GACHI-GACHI GANTETSU
LEVIAIR THE [s]BYAKK[/s] SEA DRAGON

WITH SPECIAL GUESTS:

NUMBER 96: BLACK MIST
ARMORY ARM
IRON CHAIN DRAGON
ANCIENT SACRED WYVERN

DIRECTOR OF THE PEANUT GALLERY: 90% OF THE KID'S POPULATION THAT PLAYS CHILDREN'S CARD GAMES![/font][/size]

OT: In all seriousness, though, all of the cards listed are so splashable that they are included in every Extra Deck, and is therefore an "obvious" choice to run in that Deck.