sbdnate Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I saw something about an argument for wich is better... I don't get it... Divination seems like the all around cheaper card... .-. Can someone explain this to me? I'm new to the game, so there is probably something I am not taking into consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Think Twice is better because it's an instant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Think Twice is an Instant, and has Flashback. While it ends up 3 mana more than Divination for same amount of cards, you can span the cost on different turns. Plus, if you end up having mana open at end of opponent's turn, you can use it to cycle Think Twice. Only a gain. And you can do that twice with 1 copy of Think Twice (lol). Think Twice is type of card called "mana sink", means a card with no ridiculously gamebraking effect, but still being a nice way to spend leftover mana. Plus, there's still the fact that Divination is just bad IMO. inb4Luis/FDcomehereandtellmeI'mwrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbdnate Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Hmm, makes sense I suppose... I'm still not entirely sold on it being better, since they both seem to have their own things going for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 It's not "better". Both cards, despite being draw cards, serve a completly different purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 [quote name='Noel Vermillion' timestamp='1318516849' post='5577346'] Think Twice is an Instant, and has Flashback. While it ends up 3 mana more than Divination for same amount of cards, you can span the cost on different turns. Plus, if you end up having mana open at end of opponent's turn, you can use it to cycle Think Twice. Only a gain. And you can do that twice with 1 copy of Think Twice (lol). Think Twice is type of card called "mana sink", means a card with no ridiculously gamebraking effect, but still being a nice way to spend leftover mana. Plus, there's still the fact that Divination is just bad IMO. inb4Luis/FDcomehereandtellmeI'mwrong [/quote] WTF you called my by my name Bartosz??? And as he explained...the thing that make Think Twice...Twice (lolpun) as useful is the fact that you don't have to spend the mana of your turn playing when at instant Speed it allows to keep some mana wide open to answer your opponent's moves...and if in the worst cases you'll have mana open that's will be wasted you can always spend it in this card making use of the remaining mana in you mana pool... Being Flashbackable is also pretty good coz it assures you you can always discard it without fear coz you'll end up using the effect at least once anyways XD (Note that Think Twice is a Very Control type card) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 You do it, so I do it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I'd pick Divination over Think Twice in a draft, because it is cheaper and faster, but in a dedicated build think twice is amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1319195897' post='5591040'] I'd pick Divination over Think Twice in a draft, because it is cheaper and faster, but in a dedicated build think twice is amazing [/quote] Turn 3 Drop faster than a turn 2 drop? How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 [quote name='-Venser el Transeúnte-' timestamp='1319202735' post='5591151'] Turn 3 Drop faster than a turn 2 drop? How? [/quote] 5 for 2 or 3 for 2 Last time I checked, 3 is less than 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niv-Mizzet Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 I personally prefer Think Twice to Divination, but Ponder to both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1319255008' post='5592885'] 5 for 2 or 3 for 2 Last time I checked, 3 is less than 5. [/quote] But you play think twice on turn 2 (Using the Mana that otherwise would have been lost if not used) Turn 2 > Turn 3 THAT is what makes Think Twice Better...it uses Spare Mana not conditioning WHEN you play it...and WHAT you can play the turn you play it...Divination Just Takes up the mana of your Turn that you could have used on better things.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 or you could just screw em both and remember that ponder is is around :3 (yes I'm just poking fun. I feel that think twice is the better card) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 [quote name='-Venser el Transeúnte-' timestamp='1319301129' post='5593557'] But you play think twice on turn 2 (Using the Mana that otherwise would have been lost if not used) Turn 2 > Turn 3 THAT is what makes Think Twice Better...it uses Spare Mana not conditioning WHEN you play it...and WHAT you can play the turn you play it...Divination Just Takes up the mana of your Turn that you could have used on better things.... [/quote] Except with divination, you don't have to lock 2 of your turns to get the 2 card draw. If its a matter of what's a faster drop, there's a free draw card out there that only costs 2 life, which would be better than both. Divination lets you draw 2 cards in one turn without locking up any of your turns. Drawing one card for 2 mana is an extremely weak ability with an expensive flashback cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1319838584' post='5604980'] Except with divination, you don't have to lock 2 of your turns to get the 2 card draw. If its a matter of what's a faster drop, there's a free draw card out there that only costs 2 life, which would be better than both. Divination lets you draw 2 cards in one turn without locking up any of your turns. Drawing one card for 2 mana is an extremely weak ability with an expensive flashback cost. [/quote] Divination Locks up your turns...think twice doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 [quote name='-Venser el Transeúnte-' timestamp='1319846555' post='5605184'] Divination Locks up your turns...think twice doesn't [/quote] Turn 1 play a one drop Turn 2 play a 2 drop Turn 3 draw 2 Think Twice Turn 1 play a one drop Turn 2 draw a card Turn 3 draw a card/Play a 3 drop Kinda the same, and I'd still rather draw 'em both in a turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1319873499' post='5605751'] Turn 1 play a one drop Turn 2 play a 2 drop Turn 3 draw 2 Think Twice Turn 1 play a one drop Turn 2 Mana Leak your opponent's turn 2 drop or draw a card Turn 3 Play a 3 drop Draw the other card later Kinda the same, and I'd still rather draw 'em both in a turn [/quote] If you use think twice on your turn you are seriously doing it wrong and you don't deserve to be playing blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 isn't think twice an instant, meaning you can use it on leftovers an opponent's turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 [quote name='werewolfjedi' timestamp='1319906794' post='5606133'] isn't think twice an instant, meaning you can use it on leftovers an opponent's turn? [/quote] Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 [quote name='-Venser el Transeúnte-' timestamp='1319906829' post='5606135'] Exactly [/quote] Because blue doesn't have any other good 1U instants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1319942500' post='5607086'] Because blue doesn't have any other good 1U instants [/quote] It Does...mostly counters and other disruptions...that's why you want to keep the mana open in your opponent's turns...that's why spending mana in yours is...subpar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 [quote name='-Venser el Transeúnte-' timestamp='1319944033' post='5607117'] It Does...mostly counters and other disruptions...that's why you want to keep the mana open in your opponent's turns...that's why spending mana in yours is...subpar... [/quote] But if you're going to spend two mana it'd be better to use it on a counter spell or something. If they don't do anything than yeah draw a card, but I still see Divination as a better draw card Gitaxian Probe is better than both of them so I guess it doesn't really matter either way lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1319944398' post='5607125'] But if you're going to spend two mana it'd be better to use it on a counter spell or something. If they don't do anything than yeah draw a card, but I still see Divination as a better draw card Gitaxian Probe is better than both of them so I guess it doesn't really matter either way lol [/quote] That's the things, as an instant you can do both. If your opponent doesn't play something you care about, Think. If they do Leak. The fact that you leave the mana up for it means you can do both and can throw your opponent off. As soon as a control deck taps out the opponent will make there big play, so doing so just to draw some cards isn't good. I've seen this first hand when I played against a U/B control deck with Tempered Steel since I had to play around Leak for most of the game until they tapped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1319956562' post='5607261'] That's the things, as an instant you can do both. If your opponent doesn't play something you care about, Think. If they do Leak. The fact that you leave the mana up for it means you can do both and can throw your opponent off. As soon as a control deck taps out the opponent will make there big play, so doing so just to draw some cards isn't good. I've seen this first hand when I played against a U/B control deck with Tempered Steel since I had to play around Leak for most of the game until they tapped out. [/quote] But you're only getting a draw one out of it. With Gitaxian Probe, your mana would still be open for a mana leak and you'd get your draw at only two life. I'm ignoring the flashback cost because that's...kinda expensive (I know flashback is supposed to be) I just can't help but feel that this should've costed U with a flashback of 3U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 [quote name='King of Nothing' timestamp='1320289493' post='5614200'] But you're only getting a draw one out of it. With Gitaxian Probe, your mana would still be open for a mana leak and you'd get your draw at only two life. I'm ignoring the flashback cost because that's...kinda expensive (I know flashback is supposed to be) I just can't help but feel that this should've costed U with a flashback of 3U [/quote] No, you get to draw two, just you pay for it at differenet points. And again, being an instant really is that huge. And again, flashback on instants can be as high as they want to make in a control deck since they leave large sums of mana open at most times in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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