~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1315595175' post='5502667'] The market base isn't dumb, just desperate. [/quote] Getting desperate over paper is stupid. If buyers stopped buying the prices would have to drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1315595239' post='5502668'] Getting desperate over paper is stupid. [/quote] You're right. Screw money, we don't need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 An interesting addition is that some people have a certain attitude towards reprints. When I first got into the game, about 7 years ago, some of the Structure decks (Warrior and Spellcaster, the first ones), ticked off a bunch of people in my group of friends because now even the weakest players in our group were able to get ahold of powerful cards as commons, which evidently cheapened the "better" players' deck because now the cards that made our decks much stronger could be used against us. This was back when Magic Cylinder was considered godly among our group. I had one of the older, Ultra/Secret (can't remember) versions and the idea such a good card was common and available to all was incredibly annoying. Now that I've grown out of the "good cards should only be available to me" mentality, the reprints are an incredibly GOOD thing in my opinion. They're cheap, avalable in multiple quantities, and stop the game from becoming purely about who has money to burn. It still is, as far as online sellers, but at least it's not as horrible. The problem is that some cards lose value because of it, but then it can be argued those cards were obscenely overpriced anyway. DAD for like 200 apiece, if I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1315595280' post='5502670'] You're right. Screw money, we don't need it. [/quote] >Comparing a monetary value accepted for nearly every good conceivable to a TCG. LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY RAN OUT OF POINTS And money's creation from "paper" actually does create a number of minor economic issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Still, you're saying that people shouldn't overhype a game when that's pretty much what people do for every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted September 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 @ Evil I was of the same mentality until I had to actually start working for my money. Reprints are good even if it gives "scrubs" powerful cards. I like it because it lets you see people other than rich kids and juicers (thats what we call rippers in the new york area) at the top tables. I don't mind decks getting cheapen...I so wanted to play Tele-Dad but couldn't because I didn't have $1200 laying around to build the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1315596179' post='5502714'] Still, you're saying that people shouldn't overhype a game when that's pretty much what people do for every game. [/quote] And I don't disagree. A number of "nerds" and whatnot will hype it, driving up the price. If people were less obsessive prices wouldn't be so high. Doesn't stop what I said from being true. Konami obviously has money as their priority, and people shoveling money into the game aren't that bright/have lots to spare. Working the card markets to make some profit is pretty fun though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Well, the thing about cards now is that while having better cards is an advantage, if you only play the game in a way that people must have money or immense luck to even try to compete, the game is too exclusive. That's where reprints come in. Until the Marik deck, how many people could actually build Gravekeepers? And how many of them could build a GOOD one, that was reasonably competitive for a reasonable price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 I'm not just talking about card games :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 I went off on that tangent too for a sentence. Then I returned to the actual topic and what we were actually discussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1315587651' post='5502502'] It's all about supply and demand, and reintroducing Secret Rares has made this worse. A good card that is a common will hardly be worth much, since it's probably in high supply. Secret Rares have next to nil chance of being pulled by the average buyer. It has become almost cheaper to just buy singles, rather than try your luck with packs when you only want one or two specific cards of a high rarity. Lots of supply and lots of demand = fair price. Low supply and high demand = high price. High supply and low demand = worthless. [/quote] ^this is what i been seeing the most in my local and the odd thing like Solemn warning should be "high supply and high demand" but it was "high supply and low demand" and and i seen the case of it it was a little under half of the case that hold 50 cards in it. the whole supply and demand can actually be kinda random depending on the society though i thought it should be accurate but i guess that ton of people already solemn warnings and need new people to buy them so they selling them for more than half the price deducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 The reason the cards are so expensive is for the same reason sports stuff can be: People buy it because we're idiots and we like having fun with utterly pointless things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='- Junk Warrior -' timestamp='1315599207' post='5502857'] The reason the cards are so expensive is for the same reason sports stuff can be: People buy it because we're idiots and we like having fun with utterly pointless things. [/quote] treating us like idiots? i would like to kick their ass now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 IT's no different than currency. I mean, technically, this $20 has no value beyond what it cost to print it. I just BELIEVE it has some value to it, as does everyone else. In the end, it's a piece of cloth or w/e This piece of Cardboard is no different. IT's like money with extra uses. Tour Guide was worth whatever because people believed it was worth that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='.:Corbenik:.' timestamp='1315598862' post='5502844'] ^this is what i been seeing the most in my local and the odd thing like Solemn warning should be "high supply and high demand" but it was "high supply and low demand" and and i seen the case of it it was a little under half of the case that hold 50 cards in it. the whole supply and demand can actually be kinda random depending on the society though i thought it should be accurate but i guess that ton of people already solemn warnings and need new people to buy them so they selling them for more than half the price deducted. [/quote] Demand is a fickle thing. Supply is less so. The banlist does a lot to hinder demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1315599929' post='5502885'] IT's no different than currency. I mean, technically, this $20 has no value beyond what it cost to print it. I just BELIEVE it has some value to it, as does everyone else. In the end, it's a piece of cloth or w/e This piece of Cardboard is no different. IT's like money with extra uses. Tour Guide was worth whatever because people believed it was worth that much. [/quote] Specific prices and value alter with our subjective perceptions. Currency alters through economic changes. Cards accomplish one thing while money is used practically for many. So, once again, no. And sporting goods aren't that overpriced, whoever said that. Depends on the store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1315600360' post='5502903'] Specific prices and value alter with our subjective perceptions. Currency alters through economic changes. Cards accomplish one thing while money is used practically for many. So, once again, no. And sporting goods aren't that overpriced, whoever said that. Depends on the store. [/quote] Not really, but my point is that people still spend money on them even though they are utterly pointless. Hooray for random irrationality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 I kind of came into this thread wondering why people could burn away so much money on Yugioh, but it seems a fair amount of you actually find them exchangeable with or highly comparable to actual money. Herp. [quote name='- Junk Warrior -' timestamp='1315600420' post='5502908'] Not really, [/quote] Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1315599993' post='5502889'] Demand is a fickle thing. Supply is less so. The banlist does a lot to hinder demand. [/quote] well that true, at least i do find a lot of cards cheap or around right price but of course some are still expensive but not"Holy s***!" kinds of expensive you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 My freind thinks there should be at least one holysh*texpensive card that every deck needs without reprint >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='Ctrl+Alt+Win' timestamp='1315604583' post='5503076'] My freind thinks there should be at least one holysh*texpensive card that every deck needs without reprint >_> [/quote] only if he rich that is otherwise i think he got hit too hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 No game should have to rely on "If you don't own hyper-expensive card Z, don't bother playing; you can't win" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1315600651' post='5502918'] I kind of came into this thread wondering why people could burn away so much money on Yugioh, but it seems a fair amount of you actually find them exchangeable with or highly comparable to actual money. Herp. [/quote] I actually don't, and I refuse to spend money on this game, unless I can find it cheap. Not playing IRL at the moment, so I think it's absurd, but the reason they cost so much is because people use the view in my previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1315606298' post='5503130'] No game should have to rely on "If you don't own hyper-expensive card Z, don't bother playing; you can't win" [/quote] ^this shall be a reminder for people who think like this. Evilfusion, I also hope you duel those kind of people to prove the point too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1315600651' post='5502918'] I kind of came into this thread wondering why people could burn away so much money on Yugioh, but it seems a fair amount of you actually find them exchangeable with or highly comparable to actual money. Herp. [/quote] I used to because it was a fun game and I had a job, thus money to spend on it. I may have been idealistic in thinking the amount I spent would eventually be restored, either by me selling them, or just from the joy it brings me. Nowadays, I still love the game, but I don't buy cards anymore, except those random cards I think are just too epic to not own.[quote name='.:Corbenik:.' timestamp='1315606774' post='5503148'] ^this shall be a reminder for people who think like this. Evilfusion, I also hope you duel those kind of people to prove the point too [/quote] Heh. I'm a competent player that likes decks that are reasonably powerful and fun. I dont think I'd be a match for their army of $50 cards, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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