An Xyz monster evaluation

[CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight]

|White Nova Dragon|???|????|Dragon/Xyz/Effect|Light|4||3200|2400|4 Level 4 Monsters This card is treated as a FIRE monster. When this card has no Xyz materials, negate the following effects: When this card would leave the field by a card effect: Reduce this card's ATK and DEF by 600 instead. When your opponent activate a card that would negate an effect of a monster you control: Detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; negate the activation of that card and destroy it. When this card battles another monster: Reduce that monster's ATK by 500 for each Xyz Material this card have.|

I need someone to confirm if having 4 level 4 monsters is appropriate for having the mandatory effects and the stats? I'm not 100% sure so i would like some opinions if you will.

[Agro]

Rank 4 is not appropriate for this card. The highest ATK Rank 4 is Utopia at 2500. I'd say that you should make it a Rank 5 or 6. Probably 6.

This monster's ATK and effect are great, but with that Rank, getting him out is way to easy.

[Time Psyduck]

The ATK loss may be a bit much - it only detaches materials for negating a specific set of effects, meaning it's quite likely to retain at least a 1000-1500 ATK loss and thus making it difficult to destroy by battle without wasting huge amounts of resources on it first. 200-300 per material is probably the most it should be.

The stats aren't a huge problem, although probably shouldn't be over 3000 ATK - the highest ATK on a Rank 4 so far is 2600 (2 materials but no effect), or 2700 (3 materials, average effect) with anime-exclusive cards, so even 4 materials shouldn't have too much ATK, especially with solid effect protection and a burden of the mighty-like effect.

[Mysty]

[quote name='.:Corbenik:.' timestamp='1315388846' post='5498004']
|White Nova Dragon|???|????|Dragon/Xyz/Effect|Light|4||3200|2400|4 Level 4 Monsters This card is treated as a FIRE monster. When this card has no Xyz materials, negate the following effects: When this card would leave the field by a card effect: Reduce this card's ATK and DEF by 600 instead. When your opponent activate a card that would negate an effect of a monster you control: Detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; negate the activation of that card and destroy it. When this card battles another monster: Reduce that monster's ATK by 500 for each Xyz Material this card have.|

I need someone to confirm if having 4 level 4 monsters is appropriate for having the mandatory effects and the stats? I'm not 100% sure so i would like some opinions if you will.
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4 Level 4 Monsters
This card is treated as a FIRE monster. This card's effects can only be applied/resolved while it has Xyz Material. When this card would leave the field by a card effect, reduce this card's ATK and DEF by 600 instead. When an opponent's card that would negate an effect of a monster you control is activated: Detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; negate the activation of that card and destroy it. When this card battles another monster: Reduce that monster's ATK by 500 for each Xyz Material this card has.

This is the correct way to write effect.
Why is the monster treated as a FIRE monster but really a LIGHT monster? Why not just make it a FIRE monster?

[CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight]

[quote name='Time Psyduck' timestamp='1315407478' post='5498145']The ATK loss may be a bit much - it only detaches materials for negating a specific set of effects, meaning it's quite likely to retain at least a 1000-1500 ATK loss and thus making it difficult to destroy by battle without wasting huge amounts of resources on it first. 200-300 per material is probably the most it should be.

The stats aren't a huge problem, although probably shouldn't be over 3000 ATK - the highest ATK on a Rank 4 so far is 2600 (2 materials but no effect), or 2700 (3 materials, average effect) with anime-exclusive cards, so even 4 materials shouldn't have too much ATK, especially with solid effect protection and a burden of the mighty-like effect.[/quote]

Pretty much this should be rank 5 with 3-4 materials which I have no problem with that

[quote name='Mysty' timestamp='1315411618' post='5498220']

4 Level 4 Monsters
This card is treated as a FIRE monster. This card's effects can only be applied/resolved while it has Xyz Material. When this card would leave the field by a card effect, reduce this card's ATK and DEF by 600 instead. When an opponent's card that would negate an effect of a monster you control is activated: Detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; negate the activation of that card and destroy it. When this card battles another monster: Reduce that monster's ATK by 500 for each Xyz Material this card has.

This is the correct way to write effect.
Why is the monster treated as a FIRE monster but really a LIGHT monster? Why not just make it a FIRE monster?[/quote]

well this card is only give damage through battle but fire it's secondary due to the light and fire sea serpent set they trigger whether a fire or light get destroyed and sent to the graveyard but this card as you is a little resemble of LaDD.

[Time Psyduck]

It should [i]also[/i] be treated as a FIRE monster, otherwise it isn't a LIGHT monster.

I looked at it based on maintaining the given materials. If they were to change, it should probably be rank 5-6 with 3 materials - unless a deck can spam those levels like crazy without losing too many cards, more than 3 materials will make the card too hard to summon. Making it require a specific type (or attribute, although if the deck runs more than one it would be awkward) of materials would allow it to be more powerful without needing more/higher level monsters.

[Hi-Def Legacy]

[quote name='AggroDrago' timestamp='1315403052' post='5498099']
Rank 4 is not appropriate for this card. The highest ATK Rank 4 is Utopia at 2500. I'd say that you should make it a Rank 5 or 6. Probably 6.

This monster's ATK and effect are great, but with that Rank, getting him out is way to easy.
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ok well wimper at number 30 acid golem of destruction! rank 3! 3000 atk! 3000 def! is it regular for a card? NO!
geez konami has op'd the freaking xyz's its atk chaos!
considering rank is like level [granted they cannot be affected with cards like level limit area b or level limit area a]
i mean heres a atk guide based on lv
1- 4 0 - 2100
5 - 6 2200 - 2500
7-10 2600 - 3500
11-12 3600 - 5000
make xyz's a bit proper before chaos spreads with xyz's especially since they are easy to summon!

[CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight]

[quote name='Time Psyduck' timestamp='1315421658' post='5498405']It should [i]also[/i] be treated as a FIRE monster, otherwise it isn't a LIGHT monster.

I looked at it based on maintaining the given materials. If they were to change, it should probably be rank 5-6 with 3 materials - unless a deck can spam those levels like crazy without losing too many cards, more than 3 materials will make the card too hard to summon. Making it require a specific type (or attribute, although if the deck runs more than one it would be awkward) of materials would allow it to be more powerful without needing more/higher level monsters.[/quote]

Well there 2 attribute but there 1 type but having like "3 Level 5 Sea Serpent" night sound slightly awkward but it would be like Evolkaiser Lagia's requirement but I would mind having 4 generic level 5 monster I can make it happen and it's a bit more effort to do it.

So let say it's 4 level 5 monsters woul the stats and effects be fine with it?

EDIT: @above poster: Tiras is rank 5 with 2600 ATK dude.

[Time Psyduck]

4x5 would be a fair cost, although I wonder if it's worth it. The chances that this is better than four bodies, or two other Xyz monsters, are slim to none. Honestly, increases in rank and/or specificity are probably the best way to go, rather than having more than three materials.

Also: Go Sea Serpents!

[CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight]

[quote name='Time Psyduck' timestamp='1315429081' post='5498599']4x5 would be a fair cost, although I wonder if it's worth it. The chances that this is better than four bodies, or two other Xyz monsters, are slim to none. Honestly, increases in rank and/or specificity are probably the best way to go, rather than having more than three materials.

Also: Go Sea Serpents![/quote]

I may try 3x5 with the stats of 2900/2400 or so, considering the sea serpent set, getting 2 Level 5 out is easy of couse they're weak in stats, so getting 3 outs may be semi-easy, 4 would be a but hard.

The banishark was an inspiration in making the light and fire sea serpent :3